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Don't drown on vacation

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Someone could be drowning and not die. Someone who has drowned would be dead.
 

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I had a close call once in HI many years ago. We saw a tour boat and it didn't look far so I decided to swim towards it because I assumed that snorkeling was much better there. We didn't see much where we were close to the shore. I don't even remember what beach it was but near Wailea or Peruse Bay.

When I swam back, I drifted further away and closer to the rocks and I got so panicked. I was lucky that a kayaker came by and I asked him for help. He came over and got me back to the beach. He had offered to bring my husband back too but he refused. He struggled so much and when he finally came out of the water, he collapsed.

My brother drowned and they didn't find him for ten days.

PS. My brother drowned many years ago and now I have a much higher regard for the ocean.
 

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Someone could be drowning and not die. Someone who has drowned would be dead.
OK, that makes sense. Kind of like someone was dying from some disease and makes an unexpected recovery. You can be "dying" and then actually recover. But how can there possibly be accurate statistics on people who are "drowning" but do not die?
 

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We once saw a lifeguard try to convince a foreign tourist not to boogie board at Sandy Beach. We walked a little way down the beach and back, maybe 10 minutes. When we got back we saw the man laid out on the beach. The lifeguards were trying to help him. EMS was on its way. The man had broken his neck.

We were on the North Shore of Oahu in April with our Daughter, Son-in-Law and Teenage Grandchildren. Both Grandchildren swim really well; the oldest was on a swim teem for 3 years. This was their first trip to Hawaii so I thought they would want to go in the big waves water. (They had already experienced the little waves in Waikiki) The waves were pretty big that day and breaking right near the beach. There were caution signs up but there were plenty of people in the water although not surfing. The Grandchildren were very cautious at the water's edge and hesitated to go in. After a few minutes the Life Guard came over and told us that they shouldn't go in. He noticed how hesitant the children were and said that the surf today was not to be played with. I love when the Grandchildren are smarter than Grand Mommy and Papa.
 

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We were on the North Shore of Oahu in April with our Daughter, Son-in-Law and Teenage Grandchildren. Both Grandchildren swim really well; the oldest was on a swim teem for 3 years. This was their first trip to Hawaii so I thought they would want to go in the big waves water. (They had already experienced the little waves in Waikiki) The waves were pretty big that day and breaking right near the beach. There were caution signs up but there were plenty of people in the water although not surfing. The Grandchildren were very cautious at the water's edge and hesitated to go in. After a few minutes the Life Guard came over and told us that they shouldn't go in. He noticed how hesitant the children were and said that the surf today was not to be played with. I love when the Grandchildren are smarter than Grand Mommy and Papa.
Its a bit counter intuitive, but "shorebreak" as you describe it, is likely the most deadly type of wave. People are often scared to go "outside" to the big waves, but these inshore waves don't seem as scary to people. Problem is they are very powerful and can knock you down and pull you under and out quickly. As opposed to waves in deeper water, even smaller shorebreak can slam you to the ground knocking you unconscious. This is what happens at divorce beach in Cabo.
 

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Its a bit counter intuitive, but "shorebreak" as you describe it, is likely the most deadly type of wave. People are often scared to go "outside" to the big waves, but these inshore waves don't seem as scary to people. Problem is they are very powerful and can knock you down and pull you under and out quickly. As opposed to waves in deeper water, even smaller shorebreak can slam you to the ground knocking you unconscious. This is what happens at divorce beach in Cabo.
My sister and wife got knocked down at Haena Beach Park several years ago when a wave came in fast and further than all the other waves.. They laughed about it, but were fortunate that they didn't get pulled out. They didn't follow the rule "never turn your back to the ocean".

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I have found that when snorkeling for more than an hour in the Hawaiian waters, I get chilled. I use a shorty wet suit even during the fall hot times. I have never regretted it. It helps retain core body temperature and offers buoyancy for times when I want to relax. I use a blowup vest when I snorkel far out at the points. They do seem geeky, but are a smart choice.
 

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I know the WHO says this, they were cited earlier in this thread. But it is not widely accepted, at least not yet. It is not even in the dictionaries I looked at and it goes counter to long established definitions. That is all I am saying.

The primary reason the WHO decided to change their definition was precisely to help make it more widely accepted. When we use different terminology to talk about the same cause of harm merely because they have different outcomes, we distract from prevention of harm.

Someone could be drowning and not die. Someone who has drowned would be dead.
No, it's like poison. Humans can can survive food poisoning or die from food poisoning. Either way they have been poisoned.
Humans can survive drowning or die from drowning. Either way they have drowned.

The verb of what happened to them is defined by the experience, not by the final outcome. The fact that many people can now survive harmful experiences - with the assistance of medical intervention - does not undo the harmful experience.

Example: two boys drowned in a local water park, one in the Summer of 2016, one in the Summer of 2017. The incidents were very similar - the wave pool at the same water park. Both were not properly supervised by the adults with them; neither wore a life jacket. Both were pulled out of the water by lifeguards and given CPR and rushed to the hospital. The first boy survived with extreme brain damage. The second boy did not survive. They BOTH drowned.
 

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Someone could be drowning and not die. Someone who has drowned would be dead.
Unless they are revived in which case they would no longer be dead ...
 
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