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Holiday Inn Vacation Club - Help, How Do We Get OUT!!!!

TheRhones

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We 'upgraded' our timeshare a few months ago and went from weeks to points with HVC. Our monthly payments are astronomically high and I've called the Timeshare Relief company, who sent me here. Anyone have any suggestions or resources on how to get out of it? I am long beyond my 10 day 'grace period'. Any help or info would be appreciated.
 

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A relief company isn't the best way to go. It sounds like you upgraded your Silverleaf week. Even though you are beyond your grace period write to HIVC and the attorney general in the states you converted and the state where your timeshare is located. Does the paperwork indicate anywhere about the large increase in MF's? If not I think it is really deceptive because conversion within the HIVC system never implied a change in the way MF were calculated so the logical assumption would be that MF would change very little if at all with conversion to the points system.
 

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What appealed to you about upgrading at the time you signed? I think you are going to need to learn to use what you bought. It's too late to get out. You can write a letter to HIVC and ask to get out, but you are way past your rescission period. Try to write a letter, but I am afraid you will either get no response, or you will get a response that is negative.

Timeshare salespeople do count on the naivete of their victims, unfortunately.
 

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What appealed to you about upgrading at the time you signed? I think you are going to need to learn to use what you bought. It's too late to get out. You can write a letter to HIVC and ask to get out, but you are way past your rescission period. Try to write a letter, but I am afraid you will either get no response, or you will get a response that is negative.

Timeshare salespeople do count on the naivete of their victims, unfortunately.

What they do is tell you that your current week is worth lets say 400,000 points and that if you purchase a studio for $8000 with a MF of $600 or so, you will have 490,000 to use in the system. Current MF on the Silverleaf week is about $900. You want the points you are ok with paying the $8000. Fast forward a few months later you get a bill for next year's MF and instead of the $1500 you were expecting, you get a bill for $3900 because now instead of calculating the original week as a week they changed it to calculating it by the point so now that MF more than tripled on the high season high point week vs keeping it in weeks. I don't have any first hand knowledge but this is the way it has been described to me.

So let's say when you converted your plantation resort to points and paid the conversion fee to do so and were happy with the 105,000 points but found out months later that instead of paying $800 MF for the week, the conversion now changes the way your mf is calculated and now you own $0.025 per point or $2625 for that week. Unless that was specifically spelled out in the paperwork it is really deceptive especially since other conversions don't change the way MF is determined.
 

TheRhones

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A relief company isn't the best way to go. It sounds like you upgraded your Silverleaf week. Even though you are beyond your grace period write to HIVC and the attorney general in the states you converted and the state where your timeshare is located. Does the paperwork indicate anywhere about the large increase in MF's? If not I think it is really deceptive because conversion within the HIVC system never implied a change in the way MF were calculated so the logical assumption would be that MF would change very little if at all with conversion to the points system.

You are correct - we upgraded our Silverleaf week. We are in Illinois, so I will take your advice and write to both HIVC and the attorney general. I will have to check our paperwork to confirm regarding the MF increase. Thanks for your help! I'll keep you poste.
 

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What they do is tell you that your current week is worth lets say 400,000 points and that if you purchase a studio for $8000 with a MF of $600 or so, you will have 490,000 to use in the system. Current MF on the Silverleaf week is about $900. You want the points you are ok with paying the $8000. Fast forward a few months later you get a bill for next year's MF and instead of the $1500 you were expecting, you get a bill for $3900 because now instead of calculating the original week as a week they changed it to calculating it by the point so now that MF more than tripled on the high season high point week vs keeping it in weeks. I don't have any first hand knowledge but this is the way it has been described to me.

So let's say when you converted your plantation resort to points and paid the conversion fee to do so and were happy with the 105,000 points but found out months later that instead of paying $800 MF for the week, the conversion now changes the way your mf is calculated and now you own $0.025 per point or $2625 for that week. Unless that was specifically spelled out in the paperwork it is really deceptive especially since other conversions don't change the way MF is determined.


Thank you both!
What appealed to you about upgrading at the time you signed? I think you are going to need to learn to use what you bought. It's too late to get out. You can write a letter to HIVC and ask to get out, but you are way past your rescission period. Try to write a letter, but I am afraid you will either get no response, or you will get a response that is negative.

Timeshare salespeople do count on the naivete of their victims, unfortunately.
We had a bi-annual setup at first, so the idea of being able to use our home resort for bonus time AND to have access to the Holiday Inn sites was very appealing. After seeing our monthly payments increase, I'm terrified what our annual MF will look like. I appreciate all the help.
 

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if there is no loan attached left to pay off, you could likely give it away to end your maintenance fee obligation.

however unfortunately most HIVC ownerships have no resale value.

http://sell.tug2.net
 

brianfox

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I need a shower after reading this. So deceptive.

What surprises me is that a Timeshare Relief company recommended TUG. I don't associate a relief company with giving helpful advice.
I hope the OP is able to get rid of the TS.
 

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I need a shower after reading this. So deceptive.

What surprises me is that a Timeshare Relief company recommended TUG. I don't associate a relief company with giving helpful advice.
I hope the OP is able to get rid of the TS.

I was surprised by that too.
 

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It sounds like buyers remorse to me. The monthly payments shouldn't be a surprise, they will be in your contract. New maintenance fees haven't come out yet for this year so he shouldn't have any issues with that yet. I never understand why someone would finance a purchase like this in the first place. If you cant afford, dont buy.
 

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It sounds like buyers remorse to me. The monthly payments shouldn't be a surprise, they will be in your contract. New maintenance fees haven't come out yet for this year so he shouldn't have any issues with that yet. I never understand why someone would finance a purchase like this in the first place. If you cant afford, dont buy.
Silverleaf MF's are charged monthly the same way Wyndham's are charged.
 

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Once he converted to HICV it goes to yearly.
 

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Did you buy to exchange or are you just staying at OL?
 

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I never understand why someone would finance a purchase like this in the first place. If you cant afford, dont buy.

The same reason why someone would finance a car, a house, or living room furniture. The person wants/needs it now but does not have enough money at the moment.

I'm not saying it's smart. I'm just saying why people do it.
 
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