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Just joined the "I BEEN SCAMMED-CLUB"

Discussion in 'Buying, Selling, Renting' started by thebondguy, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. thebondguy

    thebondguy TUG Member

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    Very, very, shrewd group BPS Marketing LLC (bpsmarketingllc.com), DBA VacaTheAffordableWay, and MAXimum Research LLC. I checked every source known to man to see if there were any complaints, including most of the federal agencies, and could not find a thing. They covered all of their basis. BEWARE
     
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    presley TUG Review Crew: Expert TUG Member

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    How were you scammed?
     
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    ...and with all the names you've listed being heretofore completely unknown to inhabitants of Planet Timeshare, what exactly did they say or do that somehow convinced you to overlook the fact that they are all completely unknown names / entities? :shrug:

    I respectfully submit that relevant details would be much more informative and helpful to others than just drive-by name dropping.
     
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    Passepartout TUG Review Crew: Veteran TUG Member

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    How about sharing some details here, OP? A baseless indictment of entities unknown isn't going to help anyone avoid a similar fate, if that's your motive.
     
  5. thebondguy

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    I am meeting with the local District Attorney's office this week, and they suggested that I only post the information that I have, until after our meeting. I will share the whole story at that time. They only suggested that I give the names of the entities involved right now (which I wish others had) until they had an opportunity to look into my claims.
     
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    Well you own Mexican timeshares. My guess is they told you they had a buyer for maybe $20,000-40,000. Then at some point they told you had to pay some kind of tax or fee that would be reimbursed on closing to the tune of maybe $1500-$3000. You paid and then they came up with another fee that had to be paid and when you said you weren't going to pay anything else they disappeared.

    Problem is the company may or may not be in the US. They pop up take as much money as they can get from as many people as possible and then disappear and pop up with a new name. The names you were given were probably aliases. You likely won't see your money every again. Good luck, though.
     
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    Already accepted the fact the money has left the building. Already paid a fraud specialist to confirm what you just mentioned. Their website will not exist after 9/17/2017. I may have secured enough information on some of the individuals to keep them from reappearing, and that is my primary purpose. I hate not to trust people, but that is changing fast.
     
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    I really feel for you because you do not expect to be scammed when you have ethics yourself.

    The District Attorney will investigate these scam artists when they receive many complaints. They will close them down but they turn around and start up a new website under a different name and continue just like before unless they put them in jail. I hope the AG can do something for you but it may be too late for you but for the next victim hopefully.
     
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    The website looks more like an upfront advertising/listing company. The sale prices are ridiculously high ($39K for Jockey Club in Vegas as an "amazing deal" for example).

    They have a Facebook page. There are 9 reviews and most of them look fake. Four of the nine were posted the same day on April 6th.

    You are likely one of many people scammed. Hoping you can get help from the DA.
     
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    Thank you for posting and letting us know. It just might save someone else from getting scammed.
     
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    Seeing that you own in Mexico, it's likely the scammer is located in Mexico. If that is the case, your local DA will have no power to stop or prosecute the scammer.

    While some of the Attorneys-General in the USA are getting some of the scammers in The States, it appears that no such effort is being put forth in Mexico to stop the scammers there. TBS, even if the company gets shut down the scammer principal behind the operations will just resurface under a new name.

    If your efforts lead to this particular scammer getting arrested and prosecuted, then I applaud your efforts. But I am not holding my breath for it.
     
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    You are correct regarding jurisdiction, but despite the the fact that the OP's timeshares may be in Mexico, it seems (to me, anyhow) just as likely that the scam itself is actually run in the U.S. I guess we'll see --- if / when the OP returns to share further specifics regarding the "bait" and the payment m.o. :shrug:
     
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    the bigger problem you run into is while you may certainly get that website shut down...they will have a new one up shortly under a different name and just keep on with the scam.

    we cant say it enough, paying large upfront fees is the biggest mistake an owner can make in this day and age.
     
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    There is no way to shut these scams down, anymore than you can shut down email spammers. Unfortunately, there are trusting people, many elderly, that will always fall for these scams. And there will be plenty of scammers collecting the loot.

    The only way to minimize this is through education. But in my experience this only makes a small dent. This applies to all areas in life, including Nigerian and Western Union scams, and starting with the timeshare freebie.
     
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    I wish people who have been scammed, would not be to embarrassed, and ashamed, about being so foolish, and reported it like I did. We could reduce the number of idiots like myself from getting taken. I searched every site I knew before I sent them the money, and found nothing. Oh well!
     
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    a very valid point for sure!

    so many feel foolish and embarrassed to even talk about it, much less report it to an agency that might actually seek to punish the crime.

    on top of that, every media story you see about timeshare scams and the like is full of negative comments about how "stupid" folks were for getting involved with timeshares in the first place further reinforcing the embarrassment and shaming of the victim.
     
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    You are not an idiot. You are a good and decent person who put some (unfortunately misplaced) faith in others to be reciprocally trustworthy.
    I for one greatly respect and admire your willingness and effort to report your unfortunate experience.

    That being said, since scammers regularly change their names, in order to better help others to avoid similarly unfortunate decisions and fates in the future, I respectfully suggest that it would be helpful to at least know a little bit about the m.o. of the scammers to whom you fell prey. Scammers routinely change their operating names --- but a "successful" scammer m.o. will essentially remain the same. After all, nothing succeeds like success...

    So....., it would certainly be helpful to others to know more about whatever the scammers may have claimed, or done --- or provided for documentation (even if phony documentation) that somehow convinced you to "suspend disbelief" and somehow persuaded you to overcome reservations you may have initially had. Was it a (mythical) required escrow fee / tax / transfer fee that suddenly had to be pre-paid? A contrived "residency tax"? Some other angle entirely?
    It would certainly be useful and more helpful to learn a few actual m.o. details. :shrug:
     
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    i'm sorry. My dad was scammed this week, not by timeshare thing, but I feel your pain, trying to report it, undo it etc. They told him that her won a car, pretended to have the IRS call him, even gave him a ride to the post office to mail the money orders. A lady IN HER 60's picked him up at my house once he had the money orders in hand. She told him she was a grandmother of one of his granddaughters friends. She conveniently pulled in the driveway as he was looking to ask a neighbor for a ride. The post office is investigating, but I'm sure they will never find them. The good news is that my daughter got home and he was not there. I checked his bank account and got to the Post Office before the money orders were mailed and they gave me the money back a few days later. I could never imagine doing such a thing to another human being.
     
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    If you search by name it really doesn't help and even reporting the name of your scammer doesn't really help because the names change so frequently.
    If you had searched something like "Renting Getaways or extra vacations" you would have gotten more hits, not just on TUGbbs but on Redweek boards and even on the interval boards and I am sure on various timeshare specific facebook pages. You don't need to know the name of the company. I didn't even need to hear you discuss anything beyond I've been scammed and see that you owned a Mexican timeshare to know it was either a rental or selling scam. On a monthly basis there are posts "Has anyone ever heard of X or Y company" The answer is always no but if they are promising to rent or sell your timeshare than it is a scam because any company that calls out of the blue and promises something too good to be true isn't true.
     
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