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[2014] Most plausible explanation of mystery of Malasyian Flight 370

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MH370 Search: New Debris Found on Madagascar Beach - From BBC News/ World/ Asia/ bbc.com

"New pieces of debris have been found in Madagascar by a man searching for parts of missing flight MH370.

Blaine Gibson, who has already found possible debris in Mozambique, made the latest discovery on the east coast of Madagascar.

One of the parts resembles an aeroplane seat part. Mr Gibson has sent images of the finds to investigators..."

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Image caption Blaine Gibson made the find on an island in eastern Madagascar


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Possible Debris From Missing Flight MH370 Found in Madagascar and Australia - by Casey Quackenbush/ World/ MH370/ Time/ time.com

"New debris believed to be from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has been found on a beach in Madagascar.

Blaine Gibson, an American man who is hunting for debris from the missing plane, found the wreckage on Riake beach, on the island of Nosy Boraha, reports the BBC....

...Australian investigators are also examining a possible piece of wreckage that washed up on Kangaroo Island off the South Australian coast Thursday...."

Be sure to click on the active hyperlink "examining" in the article to see
the story from the Sydney Morning Herald.

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Samuel Armstrong holds a piece of debris he found on Kangaroo Island in South Australia. Photo: Seven News


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Australia Reconsiders How Far Flight 370 May Have Flown - by Keith Bradsher/ World/ Asia/ Pacific/ Australia/ The New York Times/ nytimes.com

"PERTH, Australia — The search for Malaysia Airlines’ missing Flight 370 on the floor of the southern Indian Ocean is nearing an end with no sign of the plane in the area that investigators had concluded it most likely went down, prompting a last-ditch reassessment of assumptions used to calculate its final descent and draw the search zone.

At issue are estimates of how far the plane may have traveled after it ran out of fuel, notably whether it followed a tight or broad spiral down as it fell or glided toward the ocean, officials said.

“We’re really doing further work to test our assumption about the end of flight, which defines our search area,” said Martin Dolan, the chief commissioner of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau. “It’s really testing to make sure we haven’t missed anything, and that our assumptions remain valid.”..."

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Technicians worked aboard the Fugro Equator, a ship searching for the remains of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, as it docked in Fremantle, Australia, in May. Credit David Dare Parker for The New York Times


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MH370 Search: Photos of Possible Personal Items Released - by Richard Westcott/ World/ Asia/ BBC/ bbc.com

"Campaigners for families of those on board missing flight MH370 have released photographs of personal items that washed up on a Madagascar beach, hoping to identify them.

Some 20 items found include purses, backpacks and part of a laptop case.

There are no labels identifying them as belonging to the 239 people on board the jet that vanished two years ago.

The items were found by US lawyer Blaine Gibson, who concedes they may be irrelevant in the hunt for MH370.

"They may have just fallen off a ship," Mr Gibson told the BBC.

"Still, I found them on the same 18km (11-mile) stretch of beach where I found suspected aircraft parts [of the Malaysia Airlines jet] so it is important that they are investigated properly."..."

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Image caption Some 20 personal effects recently found on Riake beach by Blaine Gibson include this "Angry Bird" bag


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Search for Missing Flight MH370 Gives Up Possible Personal Items - by Rebecca Wright, CNN/ Africa/ cnn.com

"(CNN)The waters off Madagascar in the Indian Ocean have delivered what debris hunter Blaine Gibson says could be the first personal items belonging to passengers aboard missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Gibson told CNN he also found two possible pieces of debris on a beach near the same place he discovered other pieces of debris that Australian authorities have said "almost certainly" belong to the airliner.

The Malaysian Airlines flight went missing with 239 people on board in March 2014, and despite a two-year search investigation, mystery still surrounds its final resting place..."

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Suspected debris and personal belongings found in Madagascar

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MH370: Officials from Australia, China and Malaysia to Discuss Future of Search - From Australian Associated Press/ World/ The Guardian/ theguardian.com

"Senior aviation officials from Australia, Malaysia and China are meeting in Kuala Lumpur to discuss the future of the search for missing aircraft MH370 that disappeared in 2014.

Australia’s transport minister, Darren Chester, said the tripartite meeting of officials on Monday and Tuesday would pave the way for a final ministerial-level meeting after the 2 July federal election.

The three countries previously agreed that in the absence of credible new information, the search would be wound up once the 120,000 square kilometre zone in the southern Indian Ocean was scoured.

MH370: two years on, mystery still no closer to a solution

The search for the Boeing 777 is in its final phase, with 15,000sq km yet to be covered, and is being delayed by winter weather...."




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MH370 Ocean Search 'Severely Impacted' by Poor Weather, ATSB Warns - by Alastair Jamieson/ Missing Jet/ NBC News/ nbcnews.com

"Poor weather in the southern Indian Ocean has delayed the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 for almost two months, authorities warned Wednesday.

Bad conditions in the region are making it impossible to use the robot submersible needed to explore hidden canyons on the sea bed, Australia's Transportation Safety Bureau (ATSB) said in an update.

More than 90 per cent of the 46,000-square mile search zone — an underwater area the size of Pennsylvania — has been covered but with no sign of the Boeing 777, which vanished on March 8, 2014. It had 239 people on board..."

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MH370 Hunt: Team Leading Search Says They May Have Been Looking in Wrong Place - From Reuters

I'd give them the award for stating the obvious! And it's taken more than 2 years! Sheesh!
 

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MH370: Search to be Suspended After Current Phase - News/ Aljazeera/ aljazeer.com

"The search for missing Malaysian jet will be suspended if plane not found in initial search zone, authorities say.

The search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 will be suspended if the plane is not found in the suspected crash zone, the three-nation search team of Malaysia, Australia and China has announced.

Close to $135 million has been spent since on a massive underwater search, spanning 120,000 square kilometres in the southern Indian Ocean, since the plane disappeared in March 2014 with 239 people onboard en route from Malaysia to China.

"In the absence of new credible evidence, Malaysia, Australia and China have collectively agreed to suspend the search upon completion of the 120,000 km search," Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said, emphasising that suspending the search did not mean completely stopping it..."


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The Search for the Flight MH370 Will be 'Suspended' if Not Found in Current Search Area - by Rozanna Latiff, and Paveen Menon, Reuters/ Business Insider/ businessinsider.com

"KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - The search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 will be "suspended" if the plane is not found in the current search area, a statement issued to the next of kin seen by Reuters said on Friday.

Ministers from Malaysia, China and Australia met in Kuala Lumpur today to discuss the future of the search in one of the world's greatest aviation mysteries.

The statement said ministers had agreed that if the plane is not found in current search area, and in the absence of new credible evidence on its location, the search "would not end, but be suspended".

MH370 disappeared during a flight from the Malaysian capital to Beijing in March 2014, carrying 239 people.

Almost A$180 million ($135 million) has been spent on an underwater search spanning 120,000 sq km in the southern Indian Ocean, the most expensive in aviation history..."


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Member of staff at satellite communications company Inmarsat point to a section of the screen showing the southern Indian Ocean to the west of Australia, at their headquarters in London Thomson Reuters


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“If it’s not there, it means it’s somewhere else,” Fugro project director Paul Kennedy told Reuters.

Why didn't I think of that?

If they do eventually find the wreckage, I bet it will be "in the last place they looked". :rofl:

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MH370 'Must Not Go Into Oblivion', Says Pilot's Sister - by Richard Westcott, Transport Correspondent, BBC News/ Asia/ BBC News/ bbc.com

"Sakinab Shah doesn't give many interviews.

She's wary, because her brother was Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the man flying MH370 on the night it vanished more than two years ago.

"I've got to lend him a voice. He's gone. If I don't talk on his behalf, if I don't portray him as the real person that he was, nobody will be any the wiser."

Captain Shah was an experienced pilot with an unblemished record, yet after the Malaysian government said that the plane's disappearance was deliberate, some fingers began pointing at the skipper in the cockpit.

Who were the pilots of flight MH370?

I met Sakinab at her home in Kuala Lumpur, where her brother was a regular visitor. He lived nearby. She told me about the moment he fell under suspicion.

"It was very hurtful," she said. "It added to the stress of the loss. A very close brother of mine is missing, and on top of that I have to contend with all the accusations. It's a very difficult situation. We cry often, my siblings and I, and my nieces are all so affected because they were so close to their uncle."..."

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Sakinab Shah: "There was not a moment when we doubted our brother"



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Malaysian Police Dismiss MH370 'Pilot Murder-Suicide' Claim - by Charlie Campbell, Beijing/ World/ Aviation/ Time/ time.com

"It is the latest twist in the $135 million investigation that relatives of the victims have long accused of a lack of transparency.

Malaysian police have dismissed media reports that say missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was deliberately steered into the sea by a pilot intent on mass murder suicide.

On Friday, New York magazine published an article based upon what it claims is a leaked investigation document, allegedly showing Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah had “conducted a simulated flight deep into the remote southern Indian Ocean” on his home flight simulator less than a month before MH370 vanished.

The route and destination of the simulated flight was similar to the route investigators believe the plane took.

“We found a flight path, that led to the southern Indian Ocean, among the numerous other flight paths charted on the flight simulator, that could be of interest,” the document said, according to New York magazine.

However, Malaysian Police Inspector-General Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar told local media Saturday that no information had been passed onto investigators in the U.S., where the magazine said it obtained the document..."

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Flight 370: With Search Suspended, A Cold-Case File Awaits - by Ted Anthony, Associated Press/ AP/ apnewsarchive.com

"BANGKOK (AP) — For two years and more, it has been a lost ship, a metal container carrying 239 souls that simply disappeared one late Asian night never to be seen again. And now, the search for the remains of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 likely will become a thing of memory, too.

With Friday's announcement that the meticulous ocean search for the missing jetliner will be suspended — in effect, called off — one of this decade's most tantalizing unanswered questions is headed toward becoming, in effect, a cold case.

"I am not surprised it's coming to an end without any answers," Tony Wong, a businessman in Kuala Lumpur, said Monday.

"People are slowly forgetting the incident," he said. "No one will ever know the truth."

The truth may be out there. The problem is, you have to know where to look. And that's been precisely the problem all along.

The Boeing 777-200ER vanished on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014. Investigators believed it turned back west and then south before dropping into the Indian Ocean west of Australia, where the search has been concentrated. The Malaysian government has concluded that it was deliberately steered off course. Conspiracy theories, unsurprisingly, still abound in the vacuum of facts: Was it blown up? Steered into the sea? Diverted to a remote airstrip somewhere? Abducted by aliens?...."

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FILE - This Feb. 28, 2015, file photo shows a suitcase belonging to Foong Wai Yueng, 40, a stewardess who was aboard Malaysian Airlines flight 370 when it disappeared last March, at her home in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Yueng's husband asked a friend to return the suitcase to him from the hotel where the Malaysia Airlines crew would stay in Beijing. With the Friday, July 22, 2016, announcement that the meticulous ocean search operations for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 would be suspended, the epic arc of one of this decade's most vexing unanswered questions is headed toward becoming, in effect, a cold case. (AP Photo/Joshua Paul, File)


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In terms of not knowing where to look, last week on the same day (somewhat before the suspension was announced) I heard two reports on the radio.

One report contained the claim that the plane might have been in a controlled glide after the fuel ran out (with a pilot or copilot still in charge) and that the plane went far beyond the search area. The other report was based on someone who did a computer analysis of where the debris that has been found has shown up and what is known about the ocean currents in the area. He concluded the plane crashed well before the search site.
 

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Flight MH370: Modelling Shows Debris May be Further North, Say Scientists - From Agence France-Presse/ World/ Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370/ The Guardian/ theguardian.com

"Italian researchers used computer modelling to determine possible location of the main wreckage.

ust days after authorities mooted suspending the ocean search for missing flight MH370, researchers suggested the debris zone may stretch a further 500km (310 miles) north.

A team of Italian scientists used computer modelling, into which they fed data on ocean currents and winds over the past two years, to try and pinpoint the Malaysia Airlines plane’s likely underwater grave.

They also added information on the location of five confirmed pieces of debris found to date – two in Mozambique and one each in Reunion, South Africa, and Mauritius.

“One of the most important findings is that everything that has been discovered so far is indeed compatible with the area where the authorities are searching,” lead researcher Eric Jansen of the Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change in Italy told AFP.

“The most likely (crash) area we found in our simulations overlaps with the official search area,” he said. But it also stretches a further 500 km north.

“If nothing is found in the current search area, it may be worth extending the search in this direction,” said Jansen, while conceding “the area is very large.”..."

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Wing Part 'Highly Likely' From MH370, Australian Officials Say - by Madison Park, CNN/ World/ Asia/ CNN/ cnn.com

"(CNN) A large wing part recently found on a Tanzanian island "highly likely" came from missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, according to Australia's transport minister.

The piece of debris was found in late June on Pemba Island, in the Indian Ocean near the mainland. The piece, believed to be part of the outboard wing flap of the missing Boeing 777, was transported to Australia and analyzed by the country's Transport and Safety Bureau.

"The experts will continue to analyze this piece to assess what information can be determined from it," said Darren Chester, minister for Australia's Infrastructure and Transport..."

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A piece of aircraft debris found on Pemba Island, just off Tanzania, in late June was analyzed in Australia.


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Flight MH370 Was Flown Into Water, Says Crash Expert - From Australian Associated Press/ Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370/ The Guardian/ theguardian.com

"Larry Vance tells 60 Minutes the ‘flaperon’ found in Madagascar was extended at time of landing, suggesting rogue pilot brought plane down,"

A section of wing from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 shows evidence it was extended upon landing, suggesting a rogue pilot brought it down, an air crash expert says.

World expert air crash investigator Larry Vance believes no other theory can explain the fate of the doomed aircraft.

“Somebody was flying the airplane into the water,” he told Channel Nine’s 60 Minutes program on Sunday.

The Australian search has been based on the theory the jet was not under human control when it crashed with 239 people on board, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March 2014, after it inexplicably veered off course and headed south over the Indian Ocean.

Vance believes a small section of wing, called the flaperon, found a year ago off the coast of Madagascar, shows “definite evidence” it was extended at the time of landing – and the extending can only be activated by a person.

The failure to find floating debris could also be explained by a slow, controlled landing, he said...."


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