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Starwood Hawaii - Bulk Deposit in II for 2017?

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Does anyone know if this has happened yet? I put in requests for Maui and Big Island over a year ago, but still no exchange available. Seems like getting Hawaii with Starwood is getting harder and harder.
 

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Vistana - right? ;)

What timeframe did you request?

What did you request on the Big Island? No Vistana/Starwood there.
 
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Hi Denise -

Late Nov to Mid Dec. I usually have no trouble getting stuff at that time.

First request (now with Marriott & Starwood joining forces): MM1, KAN, KAA and on a lark the Hyatt HKB

Second request for same timeframe (staggered weeks): MAW, MA1 (on Big Island), KAA, KAN, MM1, HKB

Both requests went in 9/22/15.

(Deposits were Vistana and Broadway Plantation, floating weeks I think...)
 

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First request (now with Marriott & Starwood joining forces)

Just to clarify - the timeshares have not joined forces:

Starwood sold their timeshare management company to ILG - renamed "Vistana." There is no cross-over between the Mariott/Vistana timeshares.

Starwood sold their hotel management company to Marriott.
 

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Ahhh.

Do you think it's odd that a request placed 17 months ago is still not filled?

(BTW - Your help is so appreciated. You're a great moderator!)
 

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I do think it's odd, but we don't know what Vistana is going to do as far as II - you would think since ILG owns Vistana AND II that we might see an increase in deposit, but who knows!
 

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Marriott gives a 22 day preference viewing period to it's M owners. If you own a Starwood, you've got to hope that there were so many units deposited that a few make it through that period. Frankly, I think that it is a very low probability.

On the Big Island, we've stayed at the Kona Coast 2 and liked it. It isn't a Marriott but it clean, quiet, had the features we wanted and was available. I regularly see Kona Coast units pop up in that time frame.
 

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Marriott gives a 22 day preference viewing period to it's M owners. If you own a Starwood, you've got to hope that there were so many units deposited that a few make it through that period. Frankly, I think that it is a very low probability.

On the Big Island, we've stayed at the Kona Coast 2 and liked it. It isn't a Marriott but it clean, quiet, had the features we wanted and was available. I regularly see Kona Coast units pop up in that time frame.

Thank you for this info. Helps me a lot.

This is the first time in 8 years I have not gotten ANYTHING. Lowest weeks demand for the year. And put in almost 1½ years ago.

If I can't get Hawaii anymore after a 17 month open request, I may be giving away a couple of my timeshare weeks.
 

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Thank you for this info. Helps me a lot.

This is the first time in 8 years I have not gotten ANYTHING. Lowest weeks demand for the year. And put in almost 1½ years ago.

If I can't get Hawaii anymore after a 17 month open request, I may be giving away a couple of my timeshare weeks.
The past 2 years have been very difficult for Starwood trades into Hawaii. What I've noticed is that somewhere between 3 and 4 months before the check in dates a small group of timeshares show up for trade into Maui. They go very quickly.
 

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It appears that Vistana deposits no longer appearing more than 12 months out anymore. I think reported matches or sightings have been way under a year.
 

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It appears that Vistana deposits no longer appearing more than 12 months out anymore. I think reported matches or sightings have been way under a year.

Yes, and on going exchange requests are also slower to fill. I had one last year which didn't get filled and I have the same this year that still hasn't been filled. My plans are already set for this year and while I might be able to adjust a little, it's not easy. I'll likely cancel it in the next few weeks.

This is one of the reasons I started testing sfx, and put a sdo week there to see what happens (nothing yet). I'm just planning on using staroptions to get to wkorv from now on, and set my expectations accordingly.


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Yes, and on going exchange requests are also slower to fill. I had one last year which didn't get filled and I have the same this year that still hasn't been filled. My plans are already set for this year and while I might be able to adjust a little, it's not easy. I'll likely cancel it in the next few weeks.

This is one of the reasons I started testing sfx, and put a sdo week there to see what happens (nothing yet). I'm just planning on using staroptions to get to wkorv from now on, and set my expectations accordingly.


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I just stopped putting in requests for Vistana. I'm using the units to trade into Marriott's.
 

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I just stopped putting in requests for Vistana. I'm using the units to trade into Marriott's.

That's a good idea. I've done that before, but not with an on going request. I'll try that.


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We're going to WPORV this May on an Interval exchange using a Marriott studio.

It was an instant exchange, meaning either the deposit was not claimed by a Vistana trader during the preference period or there was no preference period.

The "rules" are changing -- unpredictably.
 

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I just stopped putting in requests for Vistana. I'm using the units to trade into Marriott's.

What Marriotts have you been able to trade into using Vistana? I have also noticed zero Vistana exchange matches for quite some time. Maybe I should change my ongoing searches now.
 

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I just stopped putting in requests for Vistana. I'm using the units to trade into Marriott's.

I've changed my dates to 2018 and added the two Marriott's and the Hyatt to the request but they want another $50. I suppose this is because when trading outside Vistana I have to pay the "regular" rate. I wonder...if they fill WKORV do they refund this? Not likely... I paid $139 originally so this will be $189 for the trade.
 

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That's correct - you're paying the regular rate because you added other resorts, and no refund if you get a VSE resort.
 

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That's correct - you paying the regular rate because you added other resorts, and no refund if you get a VSE resort.

Well, I suppose it's worth a try. I wouldn't want $50 to stop me from visiting Maui!


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Heck ya!
 

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Thank you for this info. Helps me a lot.
This is the first time in 8 years I have not gotten ANYTHING. Lowest weeks demand for the year. And put in almost 1½ years ago.
If I can't get Hawaii anymore after a 17 month open request, I may be giving away a couple of my timeshare weeks.

AbelowDS, I hope you get your exchange, but think it might be at 6 months or less :(. Like you I put in an 18 month request for Westin Maui resorts, but for 2018 and similar tho' slightly broader time period Sept-mid December. We haven't stayed at the Westin Maui resorts yet, so that's my preference, but like the others I think I should add in other Maui resorts to my OGS :shrug:

VSE said I could pull back my week to use as star options, and I hope that holds true. (My OGS was my own experiment on current 'trade power' of my week.) But even star option reservations for WKORV/N are getting hard to obtain except for some studios in August which I saw a couple of months ago.
 

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Abelow, although you said Maui and B.I., you may also want to consider Kauai. It is still Hawaii.

I periodically see the Cliffs Club. Sometimes they are way out time-wise. Right now I see two Dec 2018 units.
 

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Abelow, although you said Maui and B.I., you may also want to consider Kauai. It is still Hawaii.

I periodically see the Cliffs Club. Sometimes they are way out time-wise. Right now I see two Dec 2018 units.

When I saw Cliffs Club some years ago it didn't compare well to wporv. I've read that they recently remodeled. Do you think it now compares similarly to wporv?


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When I saw Cliffs Club some years ago it didn't compare well to wporv. I've read that they recently remodeled. Do you think it now compares similarly to wporv?


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WPORV is probably a higher rated resort.

But the OP was looking for Maui or the BI. My mention of the Cliffs Club was just to suggest that he needs to keep a broad approach. He may also want to add Ko Olina, for example.

I read about people making requests exclusively of the blue ribbon timeshares and omitting lesser resorts and then complaining that they can't get an exchange. (I have a request in for Four Seasons Troon North but I suspect that it won't get a match). I think that it is a matter of probability and statistics. That is - - you can aim high, but in doing so, you are omitting a statistical percentage of exchangeable resorts. If you include additional resorts, you increase your probability of getting an exchange. I'm not saying that you should request some mediocre resorts, but there is a benefit of expanding one's horizons.
 

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WPORV is probably a higher rated resort.

But the OP was looking for Maui or the BI. My mention of the Cliffs Club was just to suggest that he needs to keep a broad approach. He may also want to add Ko Olina, for example.

I read about people making requests exclusively of the blue ribbon timeshares and omitting lesser resorts and then complaining that they can't get an exchange. (I have a request in for Four Seasons Troon North but I suspect that it won't get a match). I think that it is a matter of probability and statistics. That is - - you can aim high, but in doing so, you are omitting a statistical percentage of exchangeable resorts. If you include additional resorts, you increase your probability of getting an exchange. I'm not saying that you should request some mediocre resorts, but there is a benefit of expanding one's horizons.

I agree with you that it's worth considering all the options. But, like many who request VSN of Hyatt, as the OP did, might not want to select a lower tier resort.

I stayed on the big island last year and the resort was definitely not wkorv or wporv quality. I enjoyed the week but the resort was, as predicted, lacking. It's always best to have the correct expectations in mind before visiting.

I've been to both Four Seasons (was at Aviara earlier this month). They are hands down the best timeshares with the best staff.


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