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Nice!


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Get ready for construction noise on north-side of WKORVN.
Guess they will have to tackle the 'smell'
 

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Get ready for construction noise on north-side of WKORVN.
Guess they will have to tackle the 'smell'


I predict that my requests for a north view at WKORV-N will be honored this year. ;)


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I wouldn't mind owning those 1Bd OF, but overall I am not a proponent. Already too crowded...

I predict a 1Bd OF (pre construction) at $78K...
 

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Whats the II code, I need to get my 2017 OGS started lol.


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Whats the II code, I need to get my 2017 OGS started lol.

:rofl:

This was well-timed announcement following Starwood Vacation spinoff company press release for new publicly traded company. actually A good Amount of Development News recently, A Very Good Sign Of The Economy.

I Haven't Been To That Side Of Maui In 30+ Years. Hope Improvements To Road Infrastructure Is Also Planned.
 

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I Haven't Been To That Side Of Maui In 30+ Years. Hope Improvements To Road Infrastructure Is Also Planned.


West Maui has great roads that Are Paved and Even Have Street Lights.


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Wow is right...I never thought it would happen. Now I will definitely do the Owners thing when I go to WKORV next week!
 

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Great news for fans of SVN !

( And nice to have this news on a forum where so many forums are filled with posts from doubters.)
 

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Does this announcement affect DeniseM's "timeshare goddess" status? :ponder:
 

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Does this announcement affect DeniseM's "timeshare goddess" status? :ponder:

Alas, only mortal. ;)

Do you think we should consider timeshare salespeople as "The True Oracles" from now on? :hysterical: :rofl: I'm curious to see the final, final resort/unit plans - I thought plans changed and the resort would only have dedicated 2 and 3BR units? I'm sure the price sheets will be eye-popping. Some of the 2BR's at the Hyatt Kaanapali were $120K+. I wonder if Nanea will be considered a completely separate resort, or will amenities be shared with WKORV and WKORVN? Will it be sold as "points" like Coral Vista? Will it require a higher level of points to stay there? Will WKORV and WKORVN get a boost in StarOptions, like WSJ got when they started selling the Coral Vista phase? SO many questions!
 
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I guess Maui is just seeing Timeshares for the cash cows they are and their need for additional tax dollars tied to owners who are not voting residents has outweighed other objections they had to Starwood and other developers.
 

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as an owner of 2 weeks there (north) I don't like this for construction/disruption reasons then 1k more people right there on the beach and walkway

solitude of this vacation will be a thing of the past

only upside...maybe resale values will climb dramatically if SVN prices or "points" the new units into the stratosphere
 

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I guess Maui is just seeing Timeshares for the cash cows they are and their need for additional tax dollars tied to owners who are not voting residents has outweighed other objections they had to Starwood and other developers.

With Maui County needing more jobs and tax revenues, the generally improved economy, and developers knowing there are huge profits in sales - it's not too surprising that Hyatt, Hilton (www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217600) and Starwood have expanded on the island. That's a LOT of high end timeshare weeks.
 

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It is interesting that all these about new resorts and the timeshare spin-off is coming at the same time that Starwood's CEO VanPaasschen is forced to resign.
 

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only upside...maybe resale values will climb dramatically if SVN prices or "points" the new units into the stratosphere

I do believe that Starwood will increase the SOs required to exchange into ALL phases of WKORV/N. I think it's long overdue and perfectly fair given the amount of $ owners pay in MFs each year. Why should an owner who pays $1800 in MFs be allowed to exchange into a resort where the MFs are $2500-3000? The disparity makes no sense and it's bottlenecking SVN.

Plus, there is a historical precedent for increasing SOs for resorts in active sales as they've done this at both WLR and WSJ.

Assuming they do increase the SOs, I see them echoing WSJ's chart. The huge wrinkle in this plan is that Starwood coded Hawaii as platinum plus the entire year. I don't think it'd be fair, or realistic, to increase SOs for a 2 bdrm above the 148,100 threshhold year round. The only way around this would be to create seasons ex post facto, which would require awarding owners x SOs for exchanging OUT while requiring y SOs for exchanging IN.

If they don't create seasons, I don't know how they can significantly increase the SOs for Hawaiian properties without pissing off other SVN owners and potentially harming sales for villas that couldn't reach that 176,700 threshhold even if they banked one year.

It will definitely be interesting to see how they play their hand here.

As far as increasing the resale value at WKORV/N, I don't know. Certainly it should help sales to get more SOs in return for those high sky MFs, but that will be mollified significantly by the 33% increase in supply. Prospective buyers might actually hold off on buying now to see if they can get in more easily, and far more cheaply, using SVN or II, than in buying there.

And, of course, buyers tend to flock to the new and shiny.
 

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I do believe that Starwood will increase the SOs required to exchange into ALL phases of WKORV/N. I think it's long overdue and perfectly fair given the amount of $ owners pay in MFs each year. Why should an owner who pays $1800 in MFs be allowed to exchange into a resort where the MFs are $2500-3000? The disparity makes no sense and it's bottlenecking SVN.

I agree with this logic, but think the messiness of the seasons makes it a problem for them to implement. Other systems (HGVC) have left the legacy properties point charts intact when they develop new timeshares on the same site and then use that as part of the sales pitch (buy Nanea and get 176,100 StarOptions/HomeOptions but you can use those to trade back into WKORV and get a 8-10 nights in an 2BR instead of 7 nights).

I think what Starwood might do is could premium value the views at Nanea as well, just as GrandIslander has done in HGVC. Perhaps OF will be 196,900, OV will be 176,100 and IV will be 148,100 -- all for a 2BR. and a 3BR might be 257,700.

Who knows -- pure speculation of course, but it seems plausible to me, based upon what recent market actions have been by competitors.

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^ which leaves HRA somewhat stuck still paying $3k MF for 148k points and unable to trade into the like Unit in HI just like that cannot I to WSJ now.

Also a mismatch between HI islands. Though demand can be argued for that.
 

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^ which leaves HRA somewhat stuck still paying $3k MF for 148k points and unable to trade into the like Unit in HI just like that cannot I to WSJ now.

Also a mismatch between HI islands. Though demand can be argued for that.

Well, if they went with a points like I suggested, where only Nanea changes, then you could still trade into WKORV or WKORV-N.

And HGVC did this to their HHV owners when they developed KingsLand. With my 9,600 points, I was below the lowest pointed 2BR at KL.

We will see what they do -- timeshare developers don't seem to care that much on the impact to the existing owner...

Best,

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