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Doofus Diaries -- Electricity Division.

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Tenant called to let us know power was out in a couple of upstairs townhouse bedrooms, upstairs hallway, & ceiling fan in master bedroom. I assumed it was some problem I created last year when I rewired the upstairs hallway light over the stairs. That was after a prior tenant had taken down the light over the stairs with the idea in mind of putting a fan there instead, but moved out of the area leaving me facing an open junction box with wires dangling down.

All power had been OK till tenant's mom, helping out, was running the vacuum cleaner upstairs. Tenant smelled something burning. Tenant's mom turned off vacuum & disconnected it from the wall. After that, no power where the vacuum had been plugged in & no power in those other upstairs receptacles & fixtures. No breakers or GFCIs were tripped. Vacuum cleaner works OK when connected to other receptacles that still have power.

Chief Of Staff & I went over to check things out, looking for burn smudges on receptacles. Did not see any. Didn't see any burnt wires inside half-dozen or so wall plugs & switches I opened up looking for something obvious, like a burnt or broken wire or terminal. Time to call in the professionals.

Licensed electrician from Craig's List showed up, checked all the breakers & GFCIs, rechecked all the receptacles & switches I checked, finding nothing out of order. I said I was semi-fearful I'd goofed something up when I re-did the ceiling fixture over the stairs, which I'd fixed by removing the box entirely, remounting it away from the hole, adding a box extension with lots of room for all the connections, reconnected the existing wires, & added 1 new wire. The new wire goes to a new ceiling box mounted securely in the old box hole, making it easy to connect the new light fixture with just black & white & ground wires in that box rather than the whole tangle & gaggle of wires contained in the box formerly mounted in that hole but now relocated & extended up in the attic crawl space. All that was OK, according to the electrician. (I didn't re-check that attic-box myself. When I was up there doing that work last year, I torqued my back so bad that I ran up $500 in bills for back pain treatment. I was willing to pay an electrical professional this time so that I wouldn't risk having to pay a medical professional -- again.)

Next the electrician opened up more switches & receptacles, beyond those I'd opened up & reclosed the day before. Nothing.

Eventually the over-stairs hallway light flickered on & I knew the electricity pro had solved the mystery. What caused the problem was a high-tech in-wall fan control that the tenant's significant other had installed to control the new, high-end ceiling fan (with light) which replaced the pull-chain special that was in there when we rented them the townhouse. The high-tech wall-mounted fan control was rated 300W. It was rigged up so that it carried the whole 15A lighting circuit. The burning odor our tenant smelled was the scent of the high-tech fan control frying when her mom was running the 6A vacuum cleaner in another bedroom on the same circuit.

In retrospect, I should have caught on that what looked like a regular (if high-tech) fan switch was not so much a fancy switch as an FCC-approved high-tech, multi-speed, wall-mounted remote control for the fan. That is, the old wall flip-switch in the bedroom never controlled the old pull-chain fan or pull-chain fan light -- that's why the old fan had to have pull chains. The bedroom wall switch originally controlled a wall receptacle. Power up in the ceiling -- added after the townhouse was built but before we bought it (via VA foreclosure, but that's another story) was unswitched -- always on, powered (although I didn't know it at the time) by 1 of the wires in that tangled gaggle I rewired up in the attic crawl space. The room was not wired right for installation of the tenant's high-tech wall-mounted remote fan control. When that high-tech control was hooked up anyway, it worked the fan OK but it was connected so that it had that 1 whole upstairs circuit going through it -- 15A through a 300W device Sheesh.

The only reason it all worked for 10 months or so is that the tenant never had anything turned on drawing all that much power -- not until that episode with her mom & the vacuum cleaner. Tenant always plugged in the vacuum cleaner over inside the bathroom, on a separate GFCI circuit. Her mom plugged it into the circuit that nobody realized was miswired through the fancypants 300W fan control.

To the tenant I said, "Hey, you can call up your mom & say, 'Mom ! You fried my fan control ! ' "

Shocked & aghast, she said, "I'm not going to tell her that ! "

"I didn't think you would," I said. "I'm just making trouble."

I should have realized that the fancy high-tech fan control was suspect, but in full doofus mode I forgot that the original fan was a no-switch pull-chain special -- that it had to be that way because the room wasn't wired for a wall-controlled ceiling fan, with or without light kit.

At least the attic rewiring I did last year was OK -- & found to be so by the professional electrician. And at least my back this time is untorqued & free of pain.

Real estate investment is OK, I suppose, but episodes like this remind me that I've got my investment strategy all backward. I'm not supposed to be working for my money. My money is supposed to be working for me. That is to say, even if I am not a complete electrical doofus, I am still a board-certified financial doofus.

So it goes.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
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So, Alan, is your former tenant going to reimburse you for the electrician costs and repairs for the damage they caused? And are they allowed to just replace light fixtures and switchplates like that? Sounds like a great way to cause a fire... :eek:

I've lived in rental places where I had to notify the landlord when lightbulbs went out - so THEY could come and replace it for me. A bit extreme, I admit, but I also never dreamed of replacing fixtures in a rental without landlord approval in writing.

Dave
 
When we lived in the San Fransciso we had an old (for that locale" house that had been built about 1920, and intervening owners had done some rewiring in the house. I opened an electrical box one time that contained a 2-gang light switch (i.e., one receptacle with two switches on it to control two lights).

I pulled the fuse controlling the circuit and checked it by throwing one of the switches and verifying that the light didn't work. I opened the box, and, noted there were two black leads into the box. Just as a precaution I tested the leads. I was quite surprised to find that one of the leads was still hot.

Yep - someone had put lights controlled by the same receptacle on two different circuits. Not only that, the two circuits were on different service leads. so that there was 220V across the two blacks.
 
I had tenants call claiming a circuit breaker or outlet was bad. They plugged in an old lamp and it tripped the breaker which wouldn't reset even after unplugging the lamp. Later my electrician called (I lived too far away) and told me the lamp was about 3 foot from the panel so when they unplugged the lamp and tried to reset the breaker it was too hot to reset. They then plugged the lamp back in and continued to attempt to reset it. I am SO glad we don't own a rental any more!
Another electrical story: current home has 4 switches in the master bedroom. 1st is the light. 2nd is the fan. 3rd is the exterior lights. Then there's the 4th which was a mystery until I was changing out the switches to white. Turns out it powers the other three through another breaker should the first one trip. :confused: :confused:
 
I did some rewiring in my house in VA. In one case, I installed (from scratch) a ceiling fan/light in the den. (It was a ranch style with the den where a garage could have been, original buyer's choice.) The original switch controled a recepticle for a light. I added two switches to control the ceiling fan and light individually. As I was doing all of this, I got a grand Idea. I added a fourth switch. I wired this to the motion detector flood on the outside corner. Not to control the light itself, but to control one of the dual light sockets after I separated them. I then screwed in a screw in recepticle and I no longer had to go outside twice to turn on/off my outside Christmas lights. And I still had one motion activated flood.
I mentioned the use of the switch when I sold the house, but the woman I sold it to wasn't listening closely. It's been 7 years and she probably still hasn't figured it out since it controls nothing in the room.
 
Live & Learn.

So, Alan, is your former tenant going to reimburse you for the electrician costs and repairs for the damage they caused?
(Former) tenant is the daughter of friends we've known since the kids were in grade school.

We just absorbed the costs & chalked'm up to experience.

So it goes.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
More Electrical Doofusness.

The Chief Of Staff's sister asked me to see if I could fix a ceiling light fixture in a rental property near here.

I'm just an old retired guy with nothing much to do, so I said, "Sure."

I picked out a selection of dual-bulb socket assemblies from the miscellaneous box down in the basement, grabbed up the took kit, & drove on over.

The original 2-bulb socket assembly was fried, baked, burnt, & beyond repair. Fortunately, 1 of the likely replacements I picked out was a near-exact copy of the original.

Taking down the fixture, snicking out the bad component, putting the good 1 in its place, connecting it, & re-mounting the whole ceiling light took maybe 5-6 minutes tops. With a flip of the wall switch, it lit up just fine.

Case closed -- almost.

Only thing left to do was put the dish-shaped globe back on. Trouble was, the little threaded tube extending down from the 2-bulb socket set (specifically for screwing on the ornamental knob that secures the globe) turned out to be 1/4-inch too short. The end of the little tube came out exactly even with the surface of the glass -- did not stick out at all, much less enough to screw anything onto.

The replacement socket assembly was such as exact-looking match for the burnt assembly that I never thought to look at the little threaded tube at the bottom.

Shux.

That was last week.

Today, I went back to the miscellaneous box & found a new-in-package 2-bulb socket assembly designed to take threaded tubes of any length at the top (for installing in the fixture) and at the bottom (for attaching the globe). I picked out tubes of appropriate lengths, plus washers & nuts, etc., & headed back over to the rental property.

De-installing the almost-right socket set & then fitting & installing the new 1 with tubes of the correct length took about 15 minutes, because of the extra steps involved in putting everything together. This time, the globe fastens on the way it's spozed to & everything is good to go.

Anything worth doing is worth doing twice.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
Yep - someone had put lights controlled by the same receptacle on two different circuits. Not only that, the two circuits were on different service leads. so that there was 220V across the two blacks.

Every once in a while we get a tenant that does something like this. We think that they do this to grow pot.
 
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