The Bay Club at Waikoloa Beach Resort

We love the Bay Club units. Before moving here, we have stayed numerous times in the 2 bedroom units and loved the spaciousness.

Kdudley311

Please let me know what you think after you have seen them, I bought sight unseen!!!!!

I just got told that HGVC waived the ROFR for my resale buy. So my purchase should go through.

Congrats!! The whole area is great and I'm sure you'll love your time there.

Bay Club Updates

Hello:

I toured a Bay Club 2 bedroom unit. It was HUGE! It was not as high end as the HGVC Waikoloa but still very nice. I asked the assistant manager if this unit was representative of a usual two bedroom and he indicated it was.

Correct, there is not an ocean view, but still a nice view of tropical greens if they put you facing the Waikoloa Drive side of the resort. Our HGVC unit (Building 17) faced Waikoloa Villas and it was very pretty.

I also attended an owner's update at the Bay Club before my tour. They are making numerous improvements to the resort, including a "top to bottom" renovation in 2009-2010 (this is 1-2 years earlier than expected). The ponds are being redone soon (the ponds were kind of green). In addition, Hilton is taking over management of the restauarant. There is also talk about having snorkel rentals, umbrellas, etc. for rent or possibly just amassing some common items for loan.

After the renovation, I would probably prefer to stay there instead of HGVC Waikoloa because of the unit size. The assistant manager that gave me the tour also indicated that Hilton is working on negotiations to acquire more of the Bay Club inventory, including the "open season" inventory that would allow more reservations at Bay Club for HGVC owners.

Sorry, in all the hoopla, I forgot to take my camera to take pics of the units. It is tropical motif and the walls are painted moss green, tropical red, etc. - very pretty!

Thank you so much for your update, I really appriciate it a lot. I am looking forward to go and sjow my kids Hawaii.

Thanks!

Just purchased the 7,000 annual points at the Hilton Bay Club

Hello,
I'm new to timeshare... I just purchased the Hilton Bay Club timeshare. It's 7,000 annual points. I got it for $7,618. It looks like a great deal. The concern I have is that since this is an affiliate, is there a chance that Hilton could cut the relationship?

By they way, what are the chances of this not getting through ROFR? From what I understand, Hilton doesn't have the right since this is an affiliate?

Thanks in advance for your responses...

I saw that auction on Ebay. What a good deal you got. Congratulations.

In theory, Hilton + Bay Club could cut their ties at some point; however, this relationship has apparently existed since time began, and they seem to be so inter-dependent on booking Hilton's overflow that I doubt that either is going anywhere, anytime soon.

You should be fine BACON4JP

bacon4jp said:

Hello,
I'm new to timeshare... I just purchased the Hilton Bay Club timeshare. It's 7,000 annual points. I got it for $7,618. It looks like a great deal. The concern I have is that since this is an affiliate, is there a chance that Hilton could cut the relationship?

By they way, what are the chances of this not getting through ROFR? From what I understand, Hilton doesn't have the right since this is an affiliate?

Thanks in advance for your responses...

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They do have the ROFR, but they accepted my purchase the was $4000 for 4800 points so I would doubt that will refuse it.

This seems to be a great time to buy for anyone that has extra money. With the economy in the tank, they (HGVC) want to fill the TS slots. I addition there are many people that need to get out of their TS.

I would have bid on this

I think you got a great deal. You have the one bedroom probably $1,000 below market. We own there, and prefer it to the newer resort, where we stayed the first week it was open. The week (two years ago) was reserved for Hilton execs but we got in due to a reservation mess up. We were told by a nice person we met at the pool the resort (Bay Club) would always be associated with Hilton. Apparently it has something to do with the management arrangements. The nice guy turned out to be one the top principals in Hilton's Grand Vacation Club.

So I got a better deal (I think)...

First of all, thanks everyone for your responses... This is a great site!!!

I was in the process of signing the contracts for the 7,000 points deal at the Bay Club for $7,618 (plus closing costs of $700) which I got on ebay, then I got a better deal I think. I was offered an 8,400 point timeshare at the Bay Club for $8,400 (plus $700 for closing costs). That's $1 per point. The maintenance fee is a little higher but I like the points. Any comments??

I'm going to buy this! However, since this is my first timeshare, I'm kind of scared... I feel like the prices may be going down even lower...

Oh well, even if they do, I'll be in Hawaii enjoying the sun...

ROFR

bacon4jp said:

First of all, thanks everyone for your responses... This is a great site!!!

I was in the process of signing the contracts for the 7,000 points deal at the Bay Club for $7,618 (plus closing costs of $700) which I got on ebay, then I got a better deal I think. I was offered an 8,400 point timeshare at the Bay Club for $8,400 (plus $700 for closing costs). That's $1 per point. The maintenance fee is a little higher but I like the points. Any comments??

I'm going to buy this! However, since this is my first timeshare, I'm kind of scared... I feel like the prices may be going down even lower...

Oh well, even if they do, I'll be in Hawaii enjoying the sun...

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That is a great price if it passes ROFR. Even during economic down turn, there is a point where HGVC will not let a property go. Unless the secondary market gets flooded with HGVC units for sale at a very low price, with a flood of people wanting to buy at the low price, HGVC figures that they can buy it at a low price and sell it at the developers cost. Also, HGVC only exercises ROFR if there is a valid offer to purchase.

bacon4jp said:

Hello,
I'm new to timeshare... I just purchased the Hilton Bay Club timeshare. It's 7,000 annual points. I got it for $7,618. It looks like a great deal. The concern I have is that since this is an affiliate, is there a chance that Hilton could cut the relationship?

By they way, what are the chances of this not getting through ROFR? From what I understand, Hilton doesn't have the right since this is an affiliate?

Thanks in advance for your responses...

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There has been talk that they may cut ties. Especially with the new Kingsland properties. Thus the drop in price. Just talk for now though.

Have stayed at both the Bay Club and HGVC Waikoloa

Kdudley311 said:

Hello:

I toured a Bay Club 2 bedroom unit. It was HUGE! It was not as high end as the HGVC Waikoloa but still very nice. I asked the assistant manager if this unit was representative of a usual two bedroom and he indicated it was.

Correct, there is not an ocean view, but still a nice view of tropical greens if they put you facing the Waikoloa Drive side of the resort. Our HGVC unit (Building 17) faced Waikoloa Villas and it was very pretty.

I also attended an owner's update at the Bay Club before my tour. They are making numerous improvements to the resort, including a "top to bottom" renovation in 2009-2010 (this is 1-2 years earlier than expected). The ponds are being redone soon (the ponds were kind of green). In addition, Hilton is taking over management of the restauarant. There is also talk about having snorkel rentals, umbrellas, etc. for rent or possibly just amassing some common items for loan.

After the renovation, I would probably prefer to stay there instead of HGVC Waikoloa because of the unit size. The assistant manager that gave me the tour also indicated that Hilton is working on negotiations to acquire more of the Bay Club inventory, including the "open season" inventory that would allow more reservations at Bay Club for HGVC owners.

Sorry, in all the hoopla, I forgot to take my camera to take pics of the units. It is tropical motif and the walls are painted moss green, tropical red, etc. - very pretty!

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Ive stayed in the Bay Club, and although they are larger there is a drop in quality when compared to HGVC.
These units do need to be renovated, Of course, during the tour they show you the best one.
You are wise to wait until after the renovations b4 purchase

benjaminb13 said:

There has been talk that they may cut ties. Especially with the new Kingsland properties. Thus the drop in price. Just talk for now though.

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The "talk" seems to be coming from a few salespeople trying to get you to buy a much more expensive Kingsland property when you can get the Bay Club for a fraction of the price.

True, the Bay Club is not stainless steel and granite countertops. But it is very, very comfortable and clean. The layout, size, and L-shaped lanai can't be beat.

bacon4jp said:

I'm going to buy this! However, since this is my first timeshare, I'm kind of scared.

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You won't be sorry. At 8400 points it sounds like you purchased a grand villa. You're going to love your vacations.

This is one of our favorite resorts and we love the lanais. The resort and pools are very nice and quiet too. As mentioned before the units are very large and the two bedrooms have very nice large bathroom areas.

bacon4jp said:

First of all, thanks everyone for your responses... This is a great site!!!

I was in the process of signing the contracts for the 7,000 points deal at the Bay Club for $7,618 (plus closing costs of $700) which I got on ebay, then I got a better deal I think. I was offered an 8,400 point timeshare at the Bay Club for $8,400 (plus $700 for closing costs). That's $1 per point. The maintenance fee is a little higher but I like the points. Any comments??

I'm going to buy this! However, since this is my first timeshare, I'm kind of scared... I feel like the prices may be going down even lower...

Oh well, even if they do, I'll be in Hawaii enjoying the sun...

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At the risk of being the one to throw a wet blanket on this, a couple of thoughts.

Bay Club is one of the easiest HGVC properties to exchange into either within the HGVC system or RCI. Like most Hawaii properties, the MF's are quite a bit higher than other places. Bay Club wasn't developed by HGVC and there are weeks that have HGVC membership and those that don't. If it's a non-HGVC week, you can join but for extra money (a few hundred $ I belive). I seem to recall a thread that affliate weeks in HGVC are accounted for and operate a little differently by HGVC than those at HGVC developed resorts.

From a strictly long term cost standpoint, it would be less expensive to purchase a week at HGVC developed resort on the mainland (RESALE) or even an resort which is part of RCI with low maintenance fee's and exchange in, UNLESS it's important to you to use your home resort privalige 12 months out. The strategy could save you one-third to half of what Bay Club MF's run.

That said, we stayed a week at Bay Club last spring and loved the place for all the reasons previously stated. In fact we were on a 2 week trip, did our second week at HHV in Waikiki and liked the atmosphere at Bay Club and the Big Island better for our tastes.

Something to consider.

UWSurfer said:

At the risk of being the one to throw a wet blanket on this, a couple of thoughts.

Bay Club is one of the easiest HGVC properties to exchange into either within the HGVC system or RCI. Like most Hawaii properties, the MF's are quite a bit higher than other places. Bay Club wasn't developed by HGVC and there are weeks that have HGVC membership and those that don't. If it's a non-HGVC week, you can join but for extra money (a few hundred $ I belive). I seem to recall a thread that affliate weeks in HGVC are accounted for and operate a little differently by HGVC than those at HGVC developed resorts.

From a strictly long term cost standpoint, it would be less expensive to purchase a week at HGVC developed resort on the mainland (RESALE) or even an resort which is part of RCI with low maintenance fee's and exchange in, UNLESS it's important to you to use your home resort privalige 12 months out. The strategy could save you one-third to half of what Bay Club MF's run.

That said, we stayed a week at Bay Club last spring and loved the place for all the reasons previously stated. In fact we were on a 2 week trip, did our second week at HHV in Waikiki and liked the atmosphere at Bay Club and the Big Island better for our tastes.

Something to consider.

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Thanks UW (and everyone else!). I agree the MFs are a little higher than what I care for. But the price for all of the 8,400 point timeshares I've seen is at least $15,000 or more. Since I'm getting this for $8,400 (plus closing), my break even point for the MF/Purchase Price relationship is about 10 years. I based that on probably paying about $400 more per year than what I would if I went to, lets say Vegas. I would have loved to have gotten one in Vegas but even there, it was running a minimum of $12,000 (actually, I think that was for a 7,000 point TS). My plan is to use this TS until I can find a HGVC developed 8,400 point TS for around $12,000 (I may be dreaming...)


If someone has a HGVC TS (not affiliate) for 8,400 points for under $12,000, let me know... I would love to buy it from you...

As for the Bay Club/HGVC relationship - I was concerned that they would cut the affiliation so I asked the agent helping me with this transaction, who I trust based on reputation, reach out to HGVC management and ask about the Bay Club affiliation. The response was that as long as the owners wish to have HGVC manage the property, the Bay Club would be an affiliate. I also reached out to some contacts I had that work in the industry... They said that for that location, HGVC is doing a lot of cost sharing between their own developed site and the Bay Club. It would be very expensive for them to part ways... Of course this is all second hand information, but based on all the things I hear, I don't think the relationship will be cut anytime soon. Now that I think about, the people that tell me about the relationship being cut are always working for HGVC selling their TS...

I would love to hear other opinions on my logic. Let me know if I'm off in my approach. I may be clouded because I want this TS...

bacon4jp said:

I would love to hear other opinions on my logic. Let me know if I'm off in my approach. I may be clouded because I want this TS...

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Personally, I think you have a good deal. You have taken into account the break even analysis of the higher maintenance fees and you are fine with that.

I don't think you will find an 8400 point contract for anywhere near that price in Vegas. Just for a data point, my 8400 point contract (Orlando) was about $16K (resale) about three years ago. Vegas tends to go for a bit more than Orlando, due to slightly lower MFs. But there are not many 3BR HGVC units in Vegas, so the 8400 point packages are fairly rare.

The only risk you are running with the Bay Club is greater possibility of a special assessment, given that the property is a bit older. But HGVC generally manages their properties pretty well and have ample reserves, so any special assessment should not be huge.

Enjoy your purchase!
Kurt

Congratulations!!!! The Bay Club is beautiful. There is a very convenient shuttle that will take you all around the local area. Join HGVC. It is very user friendly and extremely flexible.

The wet blanket. An honest opinion.

First of all, let me start out by saying that I own an EOY unit worth 7K points that I bought on ebay for $1900. I then paid the $300 that was required to convert to HGVC. I bought at the Bay Club as a cheap way into the HHV. I have owned the unit for four years and have yet to book the HHV. That is my choice. In the meantime I have rented my bay club unit and stayed there myself. IMHO, it is overrated! Your best view is of the golf course. You do not have access to the Hilton Waikaloa pools without an additional hefty fee. The units are large, but the view is poorand the units dated. The view is poor compared to my Shearwater penthouse unit on Kauai, or even my beachfront unit at the Pono Kai. Both of which either are much cheaper (PK) or comprable in price (Shearwater). The bay club units are about the same size and quality as my Paniolo Greens units, but are inferior to the Shearwater. MY MFs at Paniolo are about 60% of the Bay Club's MFs and the Paniolo includes discounted golf green fees. $25 per 18 holes and includes a cart. At the Bay Club you look at the golf course , but at Paniolo you look over the course and you can play it too!!. At present I do not plan to return to the Bay Club. I will try my trade to HHV and hopefully will enjoy it and justify my purchase. Ben

reddiablosv said:

First of all, let me start out by saying that I own an EOY unit worth 7K points that I bought on ebay for $1900. I then paid the $300 that was required to convert to HGVC. I bought at the Bay Club as a cheap way into the HHV. I have owned the unit for four years and have yet to book the HHV. That is my choice. In the meantime I have rented my bay club unit and stayed there myself. IMHO, it is overrated! Your best view is of the golf course. You do not have access to the Hilton Waikaloa pools without an additional hefty fee. The units are large, but the view is poorand the units dated. The view is poor compared to my Shearwater penthouse unit on Kauai, or even my beachfront unit at the Pono Kai. Both of which either are much cheaper (PK) or comprable in price (Shearwater). The bay club units are about the same size and quality as my Paniolo Greens units, but are inferior to the Shearwater. MY MFs at Paniolo are about 60% of the Bay Club's MFs and the Paniolo includes discounted golf green fees. $25 per 18 holes and includes a cart. At the Bay Club you look at the golf course , but at Paniolo you look over the course and you can play it too!!. At present I do not plan to return to the Bay Club. I will try my trade to HHV and hopefully will enjoy it and justify my purchase. Ben

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I am glad to hear an owner say what I feel about the Bay Club. I too feel it is overrated and outdated. We had a villa bottom floor unit, could hear all the movement above us and looked out on to a little pond and on to the main road.

While I agree the OP probably has a good deal, I for one would not return to the Bay Club, and I by no means am some sort of snooty hoity toity snob.

If your idea of vacationing, is staying at the resort the whole vacation, then IMHO the Bay Club isn't the place for you.

BUT if your idea of vacationing, is to have a comfortable unit and a nice resort on the Big Island of Hawaii, the the Bay Club is a great place to own/stay.

My DW has us on the go for most of our vacations, and our last visit to the area ( we stayed at the HGVC-Waikoloa) we were busy most of the time. Therefore we found the TSs in Waikoloa to fit our needs wonderfully.