• Welcome to the FREE TUGBBS forums! The absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 32 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 32 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 32nd anniversary: Happy 32nd Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    All subscribers auto-entered to win all free TUG membership giveaways!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $24,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $24 Million dollars
  • Wish you could meet up with other TUG members? Well look no further as this annual event has been going on for years in Orlando! How to Attend the TUG January Get-Together!
  • Now through the end of the year you can join or renew your TUG membership at the lowest price ever offered! Learn More!
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    Tens of thousands of subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

Is this a new issue with canceling timeshares within rescission?

Liquid realty told me that since they are voted on by the owners they don't go up much, but half geeze.

Big lie - the owners do NOT vote on maintenance fees and they usually go up every year.

Maintenance fees vary depending on the size of the unit you own. But when you are reading Ads, take them with a grain of salt, because there are lots of mistakes in ebay Ads, as well.

That unit on ebay is an Biannual unit, which means you only get to use it every other year, so the maintenance fee is half.
 
If they are not the developer, they are probably required to be licensed real estate agents or attorneys. The property does not belong to them according to their representations, I wonder on what basis they are selling real estate without a license. I bet that they are getting around that by selling Pennsylvania real estate without a license - thinking that neither state will be interested in prosecuting them.

The interesting thing is this becomes a federal matter because of the diversity of jurisdiction.

elaine
 
Ya it was not from the developer, and that is what the realty group is saying, that rescission rights don't apply to them since they buy foreclosures. Uhhgg.

So when it is a resale then the law doesn't apply? This must be how they are getting around it.

I wonder what my rights are with regards to consumer protection?

You know it does not matter where they BUY the timeshares from, they are still selling them. I don't see anything in the Nevada statute that says if you are not the developer these rules do not apply to you.

In Texas (and I bet Nevada, too) EVERY contract must state the right of rescission. If it is not there and you were solicited, even if it is by a magazine salesman that comes to your door, THE CONTRACT MUST STATE THE RIGHT OF RECISSION. And failure to state it makes the contract void.

elaine
 
Selling Pennsylvania real estate as a licensee in Nevada? I don't think that works, unless you are selling something YOU personally own. I keep wondering if timeshare law is different, but I believe she has to hold license in Penn, too.
 
Last edited:
Selling other state timeshares

Call/write to the Nevada real estate commssion (Department of Real Estate) and ask them "specifically" if that person's timeshare real estate license allows her to sell timeshares located in other states, OR, if she can only sell timesares located in Navada.

If it allows her to sell in any state, then it might be harder for you to rescind. BUT, if she can only sell "Nevada" timeshares, then you should have no problem rescinding.

Tony
 
Last edited:
Here's one more suggestion.

Contact the local bar association where you bought the timeshare in Nevada and ask for the lawyer referral program.

Most bar associations operate a lawyer referral program in which a person can get a brief review of a legal matter with an attorney experienced in that area of law for a greatly reduced rate. The last time I used a lawyer referral service I got a half-hour or time from an attorney for about $50.

Anyway, if you get connected with a real estate attorney he or she should be able to determine quickly whether or not you have rescission rights and outline for you what you next courses of action should be.

***

I would do this right away, as it would be unfortunate if you took some of the advice offered to you here (e.g., do nothing for now) and you wound up missing out on some option you might have by default.
 
More Nevada laws regarding timeshares

There are separate provisions regarding developer sales and resales, but I do not believe that the statutes mean for the following provisions to apply ONLY to developer sales:

NRS 119A.410 Right to cancel contract of sale.

1. The purchaser of a time share may cancel, by written notice, the contract of sale until midnight of the fifth calendar day following the date of execution of the contract. The contract of sale must include a statement of this right.

2. The right of cancellation may not be waived. Any attempt by the developer to obtain a waiver results in a contract which is voidable by the purchaser.

3. The notice of cancellation may be delivered personally to the developer or sent by certified mail, return receipt requested, to the business address of the developer.

4. The developer shall, within 15 days after receipt of the notice of cancellation, return all payments made by the purchaser.

(Added to NRS by 1983, 982; A 1985, 1141; 1987, 894; 2003, 984; 2007, 1549)

RESALE OF TIME SHARES

NRS 119A.4771 Registration and licensing of person listing, advertising, soliciting or promoting sale of 12 or more previously sold time shares on behalf of owner other than developer; exception.

1. A person who, on behalf of an owner other than a developer, wishes to list, advertise or promote for resale, or solicit prospective purchasers of, 12 or more time shares that were previously sold must:

(a) Be licensed as a real estate broker pursuant to the provisions of chapter 645 of NRS; and

(b) Register as a time-share resale broker with the Division by completing a form for registration provided by the Division.

2. A time-share resale broker shall renew his or her registration with the Division annually on a form provided by the Division.

3. Unless the method of resales of time shares is made to evade the provisions of this chapter, a person is not required to register as a time-share resale broker if the person:

(a) Has acquired fewer than 12 time shares and later resells or offers to resell one or more of those time shares; or

(b) Is a project broker who resells or offers to resell a time share in a project as an agent for a developer who holds a permit for the project.

(Added to NRS by 1999, 2687; A 2001, 2507)

NRS 119A.4773 Filing of advertisement or offering required.

1. A time share must not be advertised or offered for resale within this state until the advertisement or offering is filed with the Division.

I wonder if they complied with this provision

2. Each such filing must include:

(a) The form and content of advertising to be used;

(b) The nature of the offer of gifts or other free benefits to be extended; and

(c) The nature of promotional meetings involving any person or act described in NRS 119A.300.

(Added to NRS by 1999, 2688; A 2001, 2508)

NRS 119A.4775 Disclosure of certain information before resale; regulations.

1. Before a purchaser signs any contract to purchase a time share that is offered for resale, the person who is reselling the time share, other than a developer, shall disclose by a written document separate from the contract to purchase a time share:

(a) The period during which the purchaser may use the time share;

(b) A legal description of the interest in the time share;

(c) The earliest date that the prospective purchaser may use the time share;

(d) The name, address and telephone number of the agent managing the time-share plan and the project;

(e) The place where the documents of formation of the association and documents governing the time-share plan and the project may be obtained;

(f) The amount of the annual assessment of the association of the time share for the current fiscal year, if any;

(g) Whether all assessments against the time share are paid in full, and the consequences of failure to pay any assessment;

(h) Whether participation in any program for the exchange of occupancy rights among owners or with the owners of time shares in other time-share plans is mandatory; and

(i) Any other information required to be disclosed pursuant to the regulations adopted by the Administrator pursuant to subsection 2.

2. The Administrator shall adopt regulations prescribing the form and contents of the disclosure statement described in this section.

Also the following:



NRS 119A.710 Unfair methods of competition; deceptive or unfair acts. It is unlawful to engage in unfair methods of competition or deceptive or unfair acts in the offer to sell or sale of a time share including, without limitation:

1. Misrepresenting or failing to disclose any material fact concerning a time share. Do you think that failing to disclose that the actual fair market value of the unit is substantially less than the purchase price is a "material fact."

2. Including in an agreement for the purchase of a time share provisions purporting to waive any right or benefit provided for purchasers under this chapter.

3. Receiving from a prospective purchaser any money or other valuable consideration before the purchaser has received a statement of public offering. Interestingly, I do not believe that this sections of the statute differentiates between developers and resellers

4. Misrepresenting the amount of time or period of time the unit will be available to a purchaser.

5. Misrepresenting the location or locations of the unit.

6. Misrepresenting the size, nature, extent, qualities or characteristics of the unit. another place where misrepresentation is likely to have occurred - how much time did they tell you you would be able to exchange for?

7. Misrepresenting the nature or extent of any services incident to the unit.

8. Misrepresenting the conditions under which a purchaser may exchange occupancy rights to a unit in one location for occupancy rights to a unit in another location. Highly likely that there was a violation here

9. Failing to disclose initially that any promised entertainment, food or other inducements are being offered to solicit the sale of a time share. And maybe here, too?

10. Conducting or participating in, without prior approval by the Division, any type of lottery or contest, or offering prizes or gifts to induce or encourage a person to visit a project, attend a meeting at which a time share will be discussed, attend a presentation or purchase a time share.

11. Failing to disclose initially to a prospective purchaser any agreement between the project broker or sales agent and the developer that results in a sharing of sales proceeds in excess of a minimum sales price for a time share.

12. Any act or practice considered an unfair method of competition or an unfair or deceptive act or practice under NRS 207.170, 207.171 or 598.0915 to 598.0925, inclusive, or chapter 598A or 599A of NRS.

(Added to NRS by 1985, 1134; A 1989, 650; 1991, 98; 2001, 2516)
 
Interestingly enough we were sold by a real estate agent. Among many in the room selling to other couples. I tried to look her up on the Nevada Real Estate Commission because I took her info and this is what I found.

http://red.prod.lookup.nv.gov/searchdetail.asp?idnt=111627&divisionidnt=40&credentialidnt=109381

Not sure if this makes it legal however but if I can't get out of my contract I will be sure to file complainants with this and many many other agencies.

That link did not post to her information, only to the search engine for real estate agents. She must not only be a real estate agent, she must be licensed as a reseller of timeshares.

elaine
 
There are legitimate timeshare resellers, Island Consulting comes to mind, who do sell timeshares in other states, but I believe they work with real estate brokers in the other state. Boca Bum went to several states to get multiple real estate licenses for his resale business. This broker could have done the same.
 
Last edited:
Update!

Thanks everyone for weighing in, I feel so much more knowledgeable about these types of things now.

glypnirsgirl - thanks for all the legal info, much help if this pops back up.


On Friday I received a call from the Liquid Realty group "Bob" who told me that he would reverse the contract and send me a check for our deposit.

I think DeniseM's recommendation of asking them to send me a fax stating that they didn't have to abide by rescission law might have swayed them a bit.

We received the check yesterday, but nothing else stating that the contract had been terminated except the check that stated cancellation on it from Liquid Realty.

My next step is to call them today and request paperwork stating what they actually cancelled.

Any other suggestions would be great. They were happy to accommodate me but I am wondering what they are hiding.

So I am relieved but I still have doubts if it was actually cancelled and if I should change my bank account numbers or not.

Thanks all for your advice, I feel so much better. :cheer:
 
So after calling Liquid Realty they told me that once funds are returned all sales are cancelled. They also stated that there was no further paperwork to send stating cancellation.

Is this true?

I feel like if I haven't taken their word for it by this point why should I now?
 
Personally if I had my money back and a check that said cancelled - which hopefully you photocopied before depositing - I wouldn't be concerned about getting anything else. I mean, realistically how are they going to force you to complete a purchase when they've refunded your money?

But that's just me.

Glad to hear it worked out for you.
 
Glad that you were able to rescind the contract.
 
When a check with a statement like "cancelled" or "payment in full" is deposited that operates as an acceptance of the terms, so the matter is thereby settled. I see no need for any other documentation.
 
Dakotas -

So happy to hear things worked out for you! I'm sure this was a very unpleasant experience for you.

Now that you're out from under that situation, you can take a step back and decide if you'd like to pursue something a little less expensive. Back in April I purchased a timeshare in Mazatlan off eBay for $1 and the annual maint. fees ($370). Everything went as smooth as could be, and I had a great time this July (I have a fixed week - 28, yes, I know it's hot then)! If you take a little time to research the sellers/properties and have the patience to wait for what you want, eBay is a great way to go. Don't let this one transaction get the better of you!
 
Buying a timeshare is a great idea, and your recent experience shouldn't deter you from finding a great timeshare that you will love. During that presentation, you liked what you saw, and you should consider joining TUG, so you can see the wonderful exchange opportunities and ask questions.

RCI Points is great, but you can do a lot better in price and maintenance fees.

Congratulations on rescinding your timeshare purchase.
 
Dakotas, I've been reading this thread with the same emotions I get when reading a thriller novel. I do so love a happy ending. ;)
Don't you dare feel stupid for falling for a professional scam. Most of us have been there, and we've done it more than once, even when we should have known better. I know that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
You were smart enough to come here for help. It took me much longer to find Tug. You done good, girl! Congratulations! :cheer:
 
Top