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Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

ronparise said:
So how is the new policy working

are the points from reservations made with credit pooled points, going back to the pool or are they being carried as regular use year points ?...

and if you have multiple use years are they "rolling forward"?

not rolling forward, at least from what I've seen so far. Limited sample size. And irritatingly, I again was told that the points do go back to the contract they came from (with ARP). The only points going forward that don't go back to a contract or credit pool (according to the person I spoke with today) is RENTED points. She read it specifically from the instructions/notes they received in training. Those are the ones that go back to regular use year points without an associated contract line.

Unfortunately I won't know for sure one way or the other on that aspect for awhile. I still have my doubts that it will go back to a specific contract, as both Ron's and the other VC I spoke to said they would not.

ecwinch · Aug 6, 2015

Bigrob said:
I am looking for ways to make it more accessible for all owners, and it's clear we disagree about the impact of Wyndham grabbing all the available inventory at 30 days and most of it at 60 days. Wouldn't it make more sense to NOT block that inventory, but just make reservations as they get them through EH? More units available for all, and no conflict of interest.

If you look at reservation availability at the 60 to 30 day mark, I do not find any evidence that Wyndham is systematically moving inventory into EH to the extent your comments imply.

If Wyndham were, I think we would see resorts with high rental potential literally disappear at the 30 day mark. But right now Bonnet Creek is dark green between Aug 22 and Sept 2. You are implying that we should see nothing, as Wyndham would grab all that inventory as fast as they can.

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

ecwinch said:
If you look at reservation availability at the 60 to 30 day mark, I do not find any evidence that Wyndham is systematically moving inventory into EH to the extent your comments imply.

If Wyndham were, I think we would see resorts with high rental potential literally disappear at the 30 day mark. But right now Bonnet Creek is dark green between Aug 22 and Sept 2. You are implying that we should see nothing, as Wyndham would grab all that inventory as fast as they can.

LOL. I am guessing you don't do too many rentals. That is a slow time at Bonnet Creek. (See Chart). Southern schools are back in session, which kills the drive-to volume. And northerners seem to prefer winter/spring breaks. There are other threads about availability at Bonnet Creek (when there is high demand) - at first we wondered if there was a maintenance event there, but it was confirmed to me - by Wyndham - that they do grab all the inventory at 30 days as it's cancelled during certain periods at Bonnet Creek. I'm not saying they grab all the inventory everywhere at 30 days. You can find Fairfield Glade almost anytime you look. But if you are looking for something desirable - the kind of thing a late-booking owner might actually want - it doesn't return to inventory because it is grabbed by Wyndham. My guess - and it's a pretty well-educated guess - is that Wyndham/Extra Holidays use a program to determine appropriate inventory levels based on demand. At high demand times, the desired inventory level is going to be higher than available inventory, so the program grabs everything.

CO skier · Aug 6, 2015

Bigrob said:
One would think that having been deceived by Wyndham sales already, ...

This is another misinterpretation. My only developer purchase was with an independent timeshare at Lake Tahoe in 1994.

All my timeshares purchased since then have been resale.

I have never been deceived by Wyndham sales.

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

CO skier said:
At my first presentation and purchase , the salesperson somehow forgot to mention anything about ongoing maintenance fees. Imagine my surprise when that first bill showed up, and what it did for my per-vacation cost analysis versus what the salesperson presented. Timeshare salespeople stretch the truth and outright lie. So what is new?

I think it's easy to see how I could infer you were referring to Wyndham sales. The whole thread has been about Wyndham, not random third party timeshare hucksters. I'm glad for the clarification that you were not deceived by Wyndham sales.

ecwinch · Aug 6, 2015

Bigrob said:
LOL. I am guessing you don't do too many rentals. That is a slow time at Bonnet Creek. (See Chart). Southern schools are back in session, which kills the drive-to volume. And northerners seem to prefer winter/spring breaks. There are other threads about availability at Bonnet Creek (when there is high demand) - at first we wondered if there was a maintenance event there, but it was confirmed to me - by Wyndham - that they do grab all the inventory at 30 days as it's cancelled during certain periods at Bonnet Creek. I'm not saying they grab all the inventory everywhere at 30 days. You can find Fairfield Glade almost anytime you look. But if you are looking for something desirable - the kind of thing a late-booking owner might actually want - it doesn't return to inventory because it is grabbed by Wyndham. My guess - and it's a pretty well-educated guess - is that Wyndham/Extra Holidays use a program to determine appropriate inventory levels based on demand. At high demand times, the desired inventory level is going to be higher than available inventory, so the program grabs everything.

So Week 35 - Aug 28-Sep 4 (Fri-Fri) - is not a week in high demand?

Ty1on · Aug 6, 2015

ecwinch said:
So Week 35 - Aug 28-Sep 4 (Fri-Fri) - is not a week in high demand?

School has sprung by then, no?

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

ecwinch said:
So Week 35 - Aug 28-Sep 4 (Fri-Fri) - is not a week in high demand?

Not this year, because Labor Day is late. Falls in week 36.

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

Ty1on said:
School has sprung by then, no?

He's referring to the demand chart I posted but didn't offset due to the holiday being late.

antjmar · Aug 6, 2015

Bigrob said:
LOL. I am guessing you don't do too many rentals. That is a slow time at Bonnet Creek. (See Chart).

Interesting chart. I dont do rentals in FL . I'm surprised week 26 and 27 are so Popular in Florida... last place I'd want to be in July

Is that chart from Wyndham?

Ty1on · Aug 6, 2015

antjmar said:
Interesting chart. I dont do rentals in FL . I'm surprised week 26 and 27 are so Popular in Florida... last place I'd want to be in July
Is that chart from Wyndham?

Remember all those poor slave families who are held prisoner by the school calendar. Like mine.

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

antjmar said:
Interesting chart. I dont do rentals in FL . I'm surprised week 26 and 27 are so Popular in Florida... last place I'd want to be in July
Is that chart from Wyndham?

Nooooooooo.

I once tried to get such a chart. For some reason that was considered proprietary information. But I did get an occupancy report by resort which was interesting.

Ty1on · Aug 6, 2015

Bigrob said:
Nooooooooo.

I once tried to get such a chart. For some reason that was considered proprietary information. But I did get an occupancy report by resort which was interesting.

I'm amazed you were able to get an Occ report.

antjmar · Aug 6, 2015

Ty1on said:
Remember all those poor slave families who are held prisoner by the school calendar. Like mine.

Like mine?
Central florida in July no thanks My family will be on the beach

Like Bigrob said us northerners prefer Florida during spring break!

Ill be there in April!

Ty1on · Aug 6, 2015

antjmar said:
Like mine?
Central florida in July no thanks My family will be on the beach
Like Bigrob said us northerners prefer Florida during spring break!
Ill be there in April!

You are fortunate to live where the summers are mostly beautiful. Imaging having to tow your family from Flariduh to a temperate climate. SC. Keep driving. NC? Nope. Va.? Getting a little better, but it's still sticky out. MD? roll up the windows, lock the doors, and keep driving with the hope we can make it to the WVa mountains or CT on this tank of gas. :rofl:

Bigrob · Aug 6, 2015

Ty1on said:
I'm amazed you were able to get an Occ report.

I believe it was a bit of an accident. But you never know what you might get if you ask for it. Ron has gotten a treasure trove of information on his visits.

whitewater · Sep 11, 2016

Wyndham Program Updates

Stumbled across a couple of new changes. Under the "whats new" & "program rules & guidelines updates" section 2 topics caught my interest. I had not heard about the 2nd aspect of the program changes.

I will be interested to see if it truely does in fact open up more units.

Supplement Attached wit more details. Credit pool changes have been discussed a lot but this 2nd change was new to me. Thoughts or ideas how many units will be opened up based on this or other impacts I'm thinking about?

From Wyndham:

In an effort to increase availability, there will be a Nightly Unit Limit on the number of units an owner can book at a single resort of 10 units, or 20 percent of the inventory at that resort affiliated with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus, whichever is less. Going forward, the Nightly Unit Limit should increase availability for more owners at the most sought after resorts. The Nightly Unit Limit applies to new Standard and Express reservations booked after October 1, 2015 (ARP reservations are not limited). This will not impact existing reservations made prior to October 1, unless the reservation is cancelled and, after October 1, a new reservation is confirmed.

am1 · Sep 11, 2016

Is not what a points system should be about. It has been poorly implemented and I resent my program fees paying for managing it.

Bigrob · Sep 11, 2016

This change is actually nearly a year old now.

Jan M. · Sep 12, 2016

less availability

In the past year since this was implemented all I have noticed is less availability. Has anyone else noticed that there is little or actually no availability at many resorts. Which is hard to understand when it isn't peak travel season or a high demand time for many of those resorts.

Another thing I've noticed in the past few months is that there is no availability in the one bedroom units at quite a few resorts. What is up with that? It almost seems if they are trying to force VIP owners to use more points to book their stays by making the smaller units unavailable to use for the free upgrades. In the past it was the larger units that were hard to find. It is usually just my husband and I so a one bedroom unit is fine and I really resent having to use more points to book something larger because Wyndham is playing games.

ilya · Sep 12, 2016

I have also noticed less availability. At Daytona 13 months out little to no availability July 4th. I was told they don't release all the inventory to deeded owner ARP. They hold some back for the 10 month out owners. But, after looking on some rental sites and ebay advertising, I came across Triptivity By Wyndham rental program which states they guarantee availability . After calling the number I found it was a pilot program to get NEW owners. I guess they hold certain units for this program as well.

raygo123 · Sep 12, 2016

ilya said:
I have also noticed less availability. At Daytona 13 months out little to no availability July 4th. I was told they don't release all the inventory to deeded owner ARP. They hold some back for the 10 month out owners. But, after looking on some rental sites and ebay advertising, I came across Triptivity By Wyndham rental program which states they guarantee availability . After calling the number I found it was a pilot program to get NEW owners. I guess they hold certain units for this program as well.

That has always been the case. Not all units are CWA, not part of the trust. In fact the percentage is low. As CWA, you only have access to the units in the trust during the ARP period.

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ilya · Sep 12, 2016

I own at Daytona and CWA. I was using my ARP in Daytona when I was told of this. I understand about ARP in CWA ., and the availability of units.

raygo123 · Sep 12, 2016

There is a thread on tug entitled triplicity by Wyndham. Somewhere around February or March. Wyndham holds points and deeds, if they don't sell or rent them it's a lost opportunity.

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