JW Essex House New York DC Points

FractionalTraveler · Apr 10, 2014

For all those seeking to use Destination Club Points at the New York Marriott Essex House.

Seasonal Rates from the Explorer Collection:

Dates Cost per night (Vacation Club Points)
March 9, 2014 - March 31, 2014 (1,350 - 4,425)
April 1, 2014 - June 28, 2014 (1,675 - 4,725)
June 29, 2014 - September 6, 2014 (1,400 - 4,450)
September 7, 2014 - December 31, 2014 (1,850 - 4,925)
January 1, 2015 - March 8, 2015 (1,100 - 4,150)

Enjoy......

FT

Big Matt · Apr 10, 2014

That would be the most ridiculous waste of points on the planet.

EducatedConsumer · Apr 10, 2014

Delete, delete. delete.

dansimms · Apr 11, 2014

Why bother

Rates like that are just lousy window dressing on the program

billymach4 · Apr 11, 2014

Give MVCI a break!

They are at least giving you the option of the Essex House! Great addition to the program. Now the salespeople have something to boast about!

FractionalTraveler · Apr 11, 2014

dansimms said:
Rates like that are just lousy window dressing on the program

These rates appear to be in line with rental rates of points between .50-.55.

FT

dioxide45 · Apr 11, 2014

billymach4 said:
Give MVCI a break!

They are at least giving you the option of the Essex House! Great addition to the program. Now the salespeople have something to boast about!

dansimms lives close to NY and really wants an affordable option for DC point based stays in NY. We talked through this in the Refinery thread. I just don't think dansimms is being realistic in expecting such cheap DC based point stays in NY. Even if Marriott were to build a dedicated vacation club property there.

billymach4 · Apr 11, 2014

location, location, location

You also have to realize that MVCI and Marriott can command these rates due to the fact that this hotel overlooks Central Park. An unencumbered view in Manhattan is a premium.

billymach4 · Apr 11, 2014

This is too funny

Visiting the web site for the Hotel

SWIMMING

Jones Beach 40 mile(s)
Rockaway Beach 23 mile(s)

Why even bother listing this. Would love to know who stays at the Essex House as a destination and then visits Rockaway, or Jones Beach for swimming. :hysterical::hysterical:

FractionalTraveler · Apr 11, 2014

dioxide45 said:
dansimms lives close to NY and really wants an affordable option for DC point based stays in NY. We talked through this in the Refinery thread. I just don't think dansimms is being realistic in expecting such cheap DC based point stays in NY. Even if Marriott were to build a dedicated vacation club property there.

Just like Custom House, Essex is primarily filled with Business Travelers (Monday - Thursday) and Oversees visitors who have no problem paying those rates.

NYC lodging may be priced out of many American households reach but that does not matter in a global economy.

FT

BocaBoy · Apr 15, 2014

FractionalTraveler said:
These rates appear to be in line with rental rates of points between .50-.55.

FT

At the low end of the seasonal points yes, but not at the higher end. You won't find their normal rates to be over $2,000/night even in their busy seasons.

dansimms · Apr 15, 2014

NYC Window of opportunity

I was merely looking for a window of opportunity where the destination points weren't this high. ... all year long. They did it with the Ritz Property in San Francisco and with the Custom House in Boston. Without the Ritz name attached, I still think it is possible. Does Manhattan command 100% more than San Francisco? I am hoping not. My suggestion is to have the equivalent of 12 to 15 weeks priced more modestly and make up the difference the rest of the year. The MVCI audience likes to find value and is willing to work the system to do so... they don't typically spend $500 to $1000 a night for a hotel room when it can't be applied to a corporate expense account. Take a look at the dp's require for the Ritz in San Francisco for luxurious accomodations that Marriott would be hard pressed to match in NYC. Hence my suggestion.

BocaBoy · Apr 15, 2014

dansimms said:
Does Manhattan command 100% more than San Francisco? I am hoping not.

Not 100% more, but at least 50% more.

GregT · Apr 16, 2014

dansimms said:
I was merely looking for a window of opportunity where the destination points weren't this high. ... all year long. They did it with the Ritz Property in San Francisco and with the Custom House in Boston. Without the Ritz name attached, I still think it is possible. Does Manhattan command 100% more than San Francisco? I am hoping not. My suggestion is to have the equivalent of 12 to 15 weeks priced more modestly and make up the difference the rest of the year. The MVCI audience likes to find value and is willing to work the system to do so... they don't typically spend $500 to $1000 a night for a hotel room when it can't be applied to a corporate expense account. Take a look at the dp's require for the Ritz in San Francisco for luxurious accomodations that Marriott would be hard pressed to match in NYC. Hence my suggestion.

I agree with the concept, but I don't think Marriott is going to expand the potential properties by offering lower point properties. I think we will become accustomed to premium-pointed properties being introduced to the system, and that the cost-conscious of us will simply avoid the new product offerings (and we will be unhappy about the new point-owner competition for the legacy 53 properties at the "lower point offerings"). It's been pattern with other timeshare systems.

Best,

Greg

dansimms · Apr 16, 2014

My Hope

My hope is that if they ever do a MVCI in Manhattan that it NOT have a great view and NOT be spacious. Each factor would hopefully be reflected in the DP's needed to stay a couple of nights. I consider all 53 Legacy Resorts within my budget and just about all of the Explorer Tour Packages. The City Explorer rates are not nearly on par, value wise for the way we like to use our portfolio. Only topped by the lack of value in the VIP packages that are ridiculously out of touch with reality. If those catch on......they will really embolden them to hike the new properties in the stratosphere.

billymach4 · Apr 16, 2014

Does not look like MVCI is going to dumb it down

Just got this in my email.

Now you can use Vacation Club Points to reserve city getaway packages that include accommodations, dining experiences, event tickets and more!

Choose from a variety of exciting cosmopolitan destinations:

New York City Getaway
From 6,500 Vacation Club Points per couple
The Big Apple beckons! Enjoy a long weekend in the city that never sleeps. This package includes:

3 nights at the New York Marriott® Marquis Hotel.
Dinner for two in the city’s only revolving rooftop restaurant, The View.
2 New York CityPASS tickets that include admission to six area attractions.
2 tickets for a 48–hour hop–on/hop–off sightseeing tour that stops at famous landmarks such as Union Square, Chinatown, Central Park and more.

My personal favorite addition to this is the nearby swimming at Rockaway, and Jones Beach! You can have all of this and more for 6500 points!

Luvtoride · Apr 16, 2014

Marriott Marquis

Wow, talk about a waste of DC points! 6500 points to stay at MM for 3 nights with a dinner and some tourist tickets thrown in? They should be offering you an unlimited limousine for your use thru your stay. As the Comptroller for a NYC company, we have many people stay at the MM and from their expense reports, rates there do vary from $249-500/ night. That's pretty humorous billy. Hope you weren't too tempted to rush out and give up 2 weeks in Aruba or Hawaii for this "deal"! Haha.
Brian

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