cotraveller
TUG Member
That has always been true, although they are not as bad about it as they used to be. The site has become more moderate over the years as new members have joined and old ones have dropped out. I have had lengthy offline email discussions with several wmowners members over the years and while we would often disagree, we could have a reasonable discussion.Im sure what you say is true. These issues are complex, but they have also gotten personal for a lot of the folks there. They just cant abide a different opinion. They will even make up their own facts to support their positions.
And then there are still those members that--
I received the same pm and it wouldn't surprise me if it was sent by the same individual that sent it to you. The one to me came here on TUG which apparently does not have a bad words filter on private messages. It came through unaltered, in large bold type. I pretty much ignored it, chalking it up to the demonstrated immaturity level of the individual that sent it.by the way, here is one of the private messages I received from a WMowners member regarding one of my comments that might help you understand my attitude. and i quote
"{** Censored **} YOU"
I not scared off the site, but I have been asked not to post anything there that has to do with rentals, not because rentals are not allowed in the WorldMark system, but because WMowners doesnt approve of it. One guy even said as much as he is against rentals, and he knows its going on, he just doesnt want to hear about it. Ive always thought you should know your enemy, (keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer) They seem to take the attitude that if you just pretend its not there it doesnt exist
This is one issue that I agree with wmowners on. I don't think rentals, especially mass rentals as have been taking place recently, are good for the club. Restricting rentals is an item which will get little or no support here on TUG. TUG is very pro-rental as indicated by the number of people who post about and/or encourage rental activities.
Rentals have been an issue for WorldMark owners for many years and is one I have been vocal about. I was involved in some of the early discussions with WorldMark management about changes in the guidelines which would curtail the rental activity. The recently implemented guideline change which only allows one name on a grouped reservation (not multiple changing names) was proposed in 2006. It was not implemented at that time because it was felt it would be too restrictive for owners who wanted to share reservations with family or friends. Apparently this year the rentals became so out of hand and owners were complaining about it so much that it was felt that something had to be done.
The main thing I don't like concerning posting about rental activities is when you post proposed changes that you see would stop them. Some of the ideas you have proposed as a solution to limiting rentals would be very detrimental to a lot of WorldMark owners. Wyndham is perfectly capable of coming up with changes on their own without reading about changes posted on forums. As you say, be careful what you wish for.
If they have that RCI sticky up there, would be great to see the II XYZ thread too, no?
And about that Worldmark and Shell sub-forum...
About that WorldMark sub-forum, even though I said earlier I was done on that subject. (Hi DeniseM )
It has been indicated that there is insufficient volume to justify a WorldMark sub-forum. The need has to appear before the sub-forum will, not the other way around. A quick look at the two of the least active resort system forums shows that both Disney and DRI have averaged about 3 new threads per week over the past 8 weeks. So maybe if we get the WorldMark threads up to that level for a few months we can get the dedicated WorldMark area. Post those WorldMark questions and topics in the Wyndham forum, with WorldMark in the title, and we'll see where it leads.