Hi, I am a Timeshare salesman who cant read the rules!

Jason245 said:

LOL. C'est Drole.

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Oui, très.


His style just reminded me of the TS salesjerk who came out swinging while pretending to be someone just trying to sell his timeshare earlier on Tug this year. He was a first time poster, too.

I back traced him (skip tracing was my favorite course in law school) via FB and beyond - all the way back to a timeshare resale company. Too funny.

Voilà !

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If only we had access to his ip address. .oh the information we could gather.

Jason245 said:

If only we had access to his ip address. .oh the information we could gather.

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Yes, we could keep in touch . :rofl:


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no need....

im fully convinced he/she is just a troll, as noone could be this ignorant for any other reason that deliberately. not even an actual salesman.

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Good one ! :hysterical:

Took me a minute (being mentally challenged and all...).

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TimeShareProfessional said:

<<SNIPPED>>

Congrats for those that found resale that works. You are indeed the minority. Again if that worked that well why in the world would someone pay 10's of thousands yet sell it for a $1 or fraction?

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Probably because they don't know about TUG yet . . . on both counts!

TUGBrian said:

no need....

im fully convinced he/she is just a troll, as noone could be this ignorant for any other reason that deliberately. not even an actual salesman.

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While I still think he's a salesman as he failed to answer the most direct pointed questions that he knew could be objectively debunked, it was truly bizarre.

TimeShareProfessional said:

Also, after the first "owner update" why go back if you don't want anymore? Reps get paid to sell. So to accept monetary gain is subjecting yourself to that environment.

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I don't know about where you work, but everywhere I have stayed, there is real pressure put on guests to attend the "update" which is really always a sales presentation. I have stood at the car pass desk and repeated "no, may I please have my car permit?" over and over at least 5 times before the person there finally relents and gives me what is supposed to be free (a parking pass or the pool bands). It's easier for many to just say yes sign me up instead of taking a veritable arm twisting to get on to vacation.

I've had them promise me that it will just be an update and not a sales meeting at all and what do I get when I agree to go? - you know it... an attempt to sell me more. If I am lied to, why should I feel any guilt about taking whatever incentive was offered for my time? Are you implying that, after I see it is not just an update and really a sales presentation, I should not take the incentive? Reps are being paid to lie to me...not just to sell. This is my experience over the years and you might not do it yourself, but it is nasty and you will find that my experience is not by any means isolated. Open your eyes to the real world.

Cheryl20772 said:

I don't know about where you work, but everywhere I have stayed, there is real pressure put on guests to attend the "update" which is really always a sales presentation. I have stood at the car pass desk and repeated "no, may I please have my car permit?" over and over at least 5 times before the person there finally relents and gives me what is supposed to be free (a parking pass or the pool bands). It's easier for many to just say yes sign me up instead of taking a veritable arm twisting to get on to vacation.

I've had them promise me that it will just be an update and not a sales meeting at all and what do I get when I agree to go? - you know it... an attempt to sell me more. If I am lied to, why should I feel any guilt about taking whatever incentive was offered for my time? Are you implying that, after I see it is not just an update and really a sales presentation, I should not take the incentive? Reps are being paid to lie to me...not just to sell. This is my experience over the years and you might not do it yourself, but it is nasty and you will find that my experience is not by any means isolated. Open your eyes to the real world.

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Since Wyndham took over sales at our home resort we have had to endure this every time we check in. I have complained to mgmt. and they have assured me I (individually) will not be hassled any longer- we'll see.

But what I do anywhere I go is when they pull that parking pass, unit keys or update stuff on me, I tell them that if they do not give me my keys (or pass or whatever) I will begin to raise my voice for all to hear and it won't be pretty. And I have done it! I also refuse to step away from the front desk and have demanded the poor front desk person retrieve my keys for me. It is despicable that we have to endure this kind of thing on our precious vacation time! I refuse to put up with this! We are paying club owners! It's just terrible!

Well, if the purpose of this muck-pit of a thread was to raise the web-stats of TUG, then it was successful.

If the purpose was to learn something, namely that timeshare owners are passionate, then that was successful too.

If the purpose was to convince me that TS salesmen are misunderstood, wrongly accused or much underrated.... then this thread was an EPIC fail. This is despite the fact that my experiences with TS sales have been relatively positive, straight forward and un-embellished. Much like buying a Subaru. (grin, couldn't resist a stupid analogy)

Timeshare resale is a valid, rewarding choice for many--especially families.
TUG is an amazing source of information, support and compassion.
Most people, I believe, are inherently good and want to help others enjoy and better their lives. Not all.
IMHO.

Time to get back to reading about future trips, future plans and vicariously enjoying other vacations.

Hope the troll had fun and goes back under his bridge.

No, I will not say 'mic drop' or something similarly stupid. chuckle.

it makes no sense to me that a salesperson or developer want to regard a resale as worthless. There comes a point where you cannot use the timeshare anymore; they don't want to assist in disposing of it. Why would someone buy anything they can never get rid of and have to keep paying fees in addition .

Leave us alone! We are happy with our re sales!

My TUG tee shirt arrived today .. the one with the "I paid more for this tee shirt than my timeshare" quote. Should make a great tiki bar and pool shirt.

vacationhopeful said:

My TUG tee shirt arrived today .. the one with the "I paid more for this tee shirt than my timeshare" quote. Should make a great tiki bar and pool shirt.

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Can't wait to get mine. Maybe when I get home it will be in the mail.I am going to wear it when I check in and to the owners meeting as well as when I am doing group activities or by the pool. Heck- I should have bought more than one! LOL!:hysterical:

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Can't wait to get mine. Maybe when I get home it will be in the mail.I am going to wear it when I check in and to the owners meeting as well as when I am doing group activities or by the pool. Heck- I should have bought more than one! LOL!:hysterical:

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I am a proponent of The Matrix model. I mention it on the down low. Plus, I'm self interested. I don't want to push some wholesale disruption to the current timeshare model that provides financial incentive for decadent timeshare developments that I splurge on. Otherwise, one day I will be faced with having to settle for just "clean and comfortable". I would rue the day...

After reading this, I sure hope I dont get a salesman like him when I attend the sales presentation at Welks SD. I got "freebies" offered to me, but the lady was so nice and she even said her sister took those freebies last year and didn't buy either... freebies included a Hawaii airfare for 2 and her sister enjoyed it! :zzz:
Also went to a sales presentation for Marriott before at MKO but salesman there was professional, no pressure... I'm proud of myself for being firm and didn't buy and found this website and ended up buying resale last month and it's about to close next week for the exact same property, at MKO for less than 1/4 of the developer price... Cant' wait for our first use.

I don't know what made me decide to take a whack at this dead horse.

PrestonCaldwell said:

I don't know what made me decide to take a whack at this dead horse.

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You did so eloquently and effectively, so personally I'm disappointed to see your solid input now apparently voluntarily "edited out".
Let's be honest --- that slimy sales weasel and his twisted and evasive deflection of all logic just begged to be whacked.

Wow....after just reading this and knowing many on Tugg I would have to say this timeshare guy really sounds like my ex-husband. Yes as you can see he is my ex for a reason. If it is he is just bitter because I help people with resales.:hysterical:

theo said:

You did so eloquently and effectively, so personally I'm disappointed to see your solid input now apparently voluntarily "edited out".

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+1

I enjoyed the car analogy in the pre-edit post.


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I am really late to this party.....If he really is a salesman, I wish I knew where - I would like to go be a moocher with him ! I could waste an entire day just for fun.

sandkastle4966 said:

.If he really is a salesman, I wish I knew where - I would like to go be a moocher with him ! I could waste an entire day just for fun.

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You could, but usually when one is tired of you, he/she passes you on to another sales person to have a go at you - kind of like tag team in wrestling. So you would be wasting more of your time than his.

TimeShareProfessional said:

tschwa2 Sales reps feel the same way about tours, as tours feel about sales reps. I can't tell you all the terms there are for people that take timeshare tours but "moochers" is one of the more popular.

A lot of sales people in general get frustrated with not selling etc.. so they can be high strung. Consumers on the other hand take money and gifts to take sells presentations and then act appalled when they are asked to buy something. At a sales presentation!!!! I can't tell you how many times I've heard people cry wolf "Oh high pressure" because they are asked to purchase. I can't speak for everyone but there is a big difference in high pressure and asking someone to buy. Also, after the first "owner update" why go back if you don't want anymore? Reps get paid to sell. So to accept monetary gain is subjecting yourself to that environment.

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Ok, I am late to the party on this I know, but having just finished a timeshare sales presentation, I take offence to this commentary. I didn't call the timeshare company to ask to see their product... they contacted me and then didn't tell me that it was a presentation to sell me a timeshare until after they charged me a nonrefundable fee to go on a "vacation thank you for being a club member of the hotel chain". I dare say that if there was any lack of ethics, it wasn't on my side of the deal. When I got to the presentation, I told the sales person I wasn't going to buy and why... in spite of that they got ticked when I said "NO". Hence why many of us consider the developers sales tactics "High Pressure" and "Scams".

TimeShareProfessional said:

Yes I sell timeshare. Yes I've done it for years. Yes it works. (Let's get that out of the way first)

So, the majority of this forum that I've seen (granted I haven't gone over it with a fine toothed comb) is mainly fluff. The views and ideas of timeshare here are soooooo far from accurate (as a whole) it makes me wonder where the bulk of this info actually comes from.

Now, to make the playing field as level as possible, let me lay a quick foundation.

1. Timeshare is not for everyone!!!!! (RESORTS are in high demand, high traffic areas thus the price tag associated)

2. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR (pardon the caps but we all know this holds true for any product you purchase)

3. Like any business not all companies are going to be reputable. (I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't go to ebay and buy a cheap Chinese knock off just to say I had an Iphone.)

4. As far as the whole resale market is concerned, good luck. For those of you who have had success with it, congrats! Just know you are the minority. (Also I love the fact that the community here drags timeshare through the mud, yet most people here are either actively traveling or trying to travel this way!)

I would love to hear the communities feedback on why it is a "scam" (I'm so excited to argue with tours who are not actually tours!!! Selling 101 Right or Rich?) So let's have some fun with this.

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What a Troll... and likely lying out their a** for some unknown reason (based on their ridiculous and tangential responses), but I will play the troll game...

1) True - TSing is not for everyone. This is often discussed on TUG.

2) Not true in the scheme of things. For example - one person paid $20K and another $1K for the Exact same thing. Therefore, in reality, the person paying $20K did not get what they paid (they paid $19K too much). They got what they deserved by allowing a lying MFer to rip them off, and not doing their proper research.

3) False - Many people buy TSs from eBay and other sources (I have...) that are the exact same thing as buying from the Developer (legally, by Deed). The analogy to buying a 'cheap Chinese knockoff' is incorrect because you are actually buying the same thing - not a knock-off. My deeded resales are identical to those who bought from the Developer.

4) False - not a minority as one that can easily see by the 10000s here who have bought on the resale market. No one here is dragging the TS industry through the mud (we love our TSs) - just a**hats like you that will take their mother's last dollar if it meant a commission.

So you are 1 for 4... and your suppositions and intent are highly questionable - which perhaps makes you perfect for your supposed profession (which I doubt as you are too chickensh*t to give any real info - unlike all that responded to your trolling).

this was entertainment!!! Well if anybody knows where I can buy 2014 BMW for 1$ I'm in!! I would feel great driving to my 1$ timeshare. Life is Good!!