Lack of availability on II for SVV

Mexico279 · Apr 22, 2015

Beefnot said:
Here is probably a dumb question. Is there a particular reason that a Starwood owner would want to trade into SVV over another property like one of the Marriotts? Is it a matter of preferred location? SPG program credit? Don't like any of the Marriotts? Some other reason?

We do love Svv but would definately try marriot grande vista but we never get offered a Marriott for exchange in Orlando so I figured we were blocked as Svv is our home resort. But definately would try one if we were allowed xxx

Mexico279 · Apr 22, 2015

LisaRex said:
Yes, sorry. I listed the information to give some concrete data as to how quirky II is. I think you should try using both your 2015 and 2016 week as an Exchanger, and depositing a 1 bdrm v. a 2 bdrm (if you have a lockoff) to see if there's a difference in what you see.

Thank you, I search for the whole of the year and only leave the occupancy as one in the hope it will through something up , I have several times actually had less exchanges come up for the 2 b/room unit than when I split and I also search as you have suggested trying both 2015 and 2016 and sometimes just keep hitting the button to refresh in the hope that something will magically appear, so I live in hope xxx

Mexico279 · Apr 22, 2015

GrayFal said:
I suspect that in the past, OP was able to slit their 2BR lock off and get two exchanges back into their home resort in a larger unit. We are not seeing that happen as frequently (hate to say never!) as before.

Or I could be wrong :ignore:

Yes we have never had a problem doing this in the past its just that there is not only less dates available but also not very many 2 bedrooms xxx

GrayFal · Apr 22, 2015

Mexico279 said:
Yes we have never had a problem doing this in the past its just that there is not only less dates available but also not very many 2 bedrooms xxx

There are several Marriott's that are two and three bedrooms, not lock offs.
Marriott Sabal Palms 2BR sleep 6
Marriott Royal Palms 2 BR sleep 7
Marriott Imperial Palms. 3 BR sleep 8 maybe 10?
These three are in the grounds of the Marriott World Center Hotel. Great amenities.
Marriott Cypress Harbour 2 BR sleep 8

Edit, you need to go online and update your request. Because this is a non Starwood request, you will have to pay the difference between Starwood exchange fee and regular $174 exchange fee

Beefnot · Apr 22, 2015

Mexico279 said:
We do love Svv but would definately try marriot grande vista but we never get offered a Marriott for exchange in Orlando so I figured we were blocked as Svv is our home resort. But definately would try one if we were allowed xxx

Mexico279 said:
Yes we have never had a problem doing this in the past its just that there is not only less dates available but also not very many 2 bedrooms xxx

Interesting. I have a cheap 1BR non-Marriott trader that can see 2BRs at most of the Marriotts (Grande Vista, Cypress Harbour, Harbor Lake, Sabal Palms, Royal Palms) plus Sheraton Vistana Villages as well.

303timesharenewb · Apr 23, 2015

Changes?

DeniseM said:
With all the changes going on with the Florida resorts and the new points program, Starwood maybe holding back inventory - it's really hard to say.

What are the changes and new points program?

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

303timesharenewb said:
What are the changes and new points program?

Briefly: Starwood has created a new points program with 5 resorts. [Starwood has not published all the details], but essentially, they are now selling points, instead of deeded weeks at the Florida Resorts + SDO. People have been hearing about it at sales presentations.

Basically, it's a way for Starwood to take undesirable off-season weeks back into the fold, and sell them as points for big bucks, and also to convince owners of deeded weeks that they should spend a lot of money and convert to points. Since Starwood has no new resorts to sell, this is a way to create something new to sell... out of nothing...

Two threads:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=223244

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222690

DavidnRobin · Apr 23, 2015

It has been announced. I read about it in a few SVO emails.

303timesharenewb · Apr 23, 2015

SVP emails

DavidnRobin said:
It has been announced. I read about it in a few SVO emails.

Interesting!
Any chance you could post some verbiage from the emails?
What does everyone think Other implications are?

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

DavidnRobin said:
It has been announced. I read about it in a few SVO emails.

I mispoke here - there has been a "general announcement," and I should have said that "the details haven't been published by Starwood," so most of what we know is from sales presentations.

GrayFal · Apr 23, 2015

DavidnRobin said:
It has been announced. I read about it in a few SVO emails.

DeniseM said:
I mispoke here - there has been a "general announcement," and I should have said that "the details haven't been published by Starwood," so most of what we know is from sales presentations.

I spoke to a salesperson on the phone in Wednesday regarding SVV. And I had the pitch for the new points program that is deeded in the "group".

44K points EY was $15,000 and EOY was $8,500. Maint fee under $600

:ignore: :rofl:

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

GrayFal said:
I spoke to a salesperson on the phone in Wednesday regarding SVV. And I had the pitch for the new points program that is deeded in the "group".

44K points EY was $15,000 and EOY was $8,500. Maint fee under $600 :ignore: :rofl:

So how many did you buy?

DavidnRobin · Apr 23, 2015

DeniseM said:
I mispoke here - there has been a "general announcement," and I should have said that "the details haven't been published by Starwood," so most of what we know is from sales presentations.

They never give details… that is what sales presentations are for.

https://starwood.q4web.com/files/do...Vacation-Ownership-Business-2-10-14-Final.pdf

https://www.starwoodvacationnetwork.com/news/
with FAQs

GrayFal · Apr 23, 2015

DavidnRobin said:
They never give details… that is what sales presentations are for.

https://starwood.q4web.com/files/do...Vacation-Ownership-Business-2-10-14-Final.pdf

https://www.starwoodvacationnetwork.com/news/
with FAQs

They explained it to me on the phone :doh:

No home resort. Availability at FL resorts and SDO. Reserve at 12 months.
Cheaper fees.....prices above.

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

DavidnRobin said:
They never give details… that is what sales presentations are for.

I agree - I was just trying to clarify what the source of our info. was, for the person who asked. (Word of mouth - vs. official details.)

GrayFal · Apr 23, 2015

DeniseM said:
So how many did you buy?

Tough decision. Still mulling it over :deadhorse::deadhorse:

Mexico279 · May 28, 2015

SVV and II

As you will probably recall from my earlier post about SVV and lack of availability this year on II which hasn't got any better with very few dates available for exchange I am still very suspicious that there is something going on that we aren't being told about and to add to my suspicions I have just read a post onII forum from someone saying that they have been told that Starwood will no longer be depositing SVV with II , forgive me if this isn't word for word but this is what I have taken from it, I think there is definitely something going on and they are possibly holding back inventory for some reason , as has been said many times on here Orlando has a glut of timeshare and every year there has always been an abundance of exchange and getaways throughout the whole year for SVV but not this year xxx

DeniseM · May 28, 2015

Starwood has 100% control of what is deposited with exchange companies. They may very well be holding back inventory for the new Flex program. We will never know….

Beefnot · May 28, 2015

I suspect that the lack of availability could be a filtering overlay implemented by II (presumably driven by Starwood) that limits the availability SVV, and/or Starwood, owners can see. I do not believe I am seeing the same scarcity in SVV availability that the OP has been experiencing.

pedro47 · May 28, 2015

Mexico279 said:
Hi everyone, please don't shout at me for being a bit stupid but can anyone tell me why there would be so little availability on II both exchange and getaway for SVV for late sept - mid October , also I keep checking the sightings board is no one interested in Starwood depositssightings as they all seem to be about dvcetc
Thank you xxx

Sometimes in late February of this year; SVV reduced their getaways in II and in exchanges.

bastroum · May 28, 2015

Mexico279 said:
As you will probably recall from my earlier post about SVV and lack of availability this year on II which hasn't got any better with very few dates available for exchange I am still very suspicious that there is something going on that we aren't being told about and to add to my suspicions I have just read a post onII forum from someone saying that they have been told that Starwood will no longer be depositing SVV with II , forgive me if this isn't word for word but this is what I have taken from it, I think there is definitely something going on and they are possibly holding back inventory for some reason , as has been said many times on here Orlando has a glut of timeshare and every year there has always been an abundance of exchange and getaways throughout the whole year for SVV but not this year xxx

Just guessing, but there are plenty SVR weeks available, maybe they want to get rid of those first? What is more curious is there are almost no 2016 weeks released. Last year they started to release the 2015 inventory in September. Like Denise says, no one really knows except Starwood.

STEVIE · May 29, 2015

If they are no longer depositing with II, are they switching to RCI?

Also, will we lose our II membership?
Sue

DeniseM · May 29, 2015

They are still affiliated II - just not depositing as much inventory. Since most Starwood resorts are only affiliated with II, it's unlikely that Starwood would drop them.

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