[ 2015 ] Westin Nanea on sale now

Comments from a salesperson (see David's earlier post 30) indicate that this resort is not part of FLEX.

DTD1990 said:

What about banking and borrowing? The FLEX program does not allow this. Is this the same for Nanea - another reason maybe to avoid Homeoptions vs Staroptions.

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lizap said:

Comments from a salesperson (see David's earlier post 30) indicate that this resort is not part of FLEX.

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I realize that it is not part of FLEX, but it is a points program, hence the sale of homeoptions vs. staroptions. My question then as to those who have attended the Nanea presentation is whether you can bank and borrow Nanea homeoption points?

DTD1990 said:

I realize that it is not part of FLEX, but it is a points program, hence the sale of homeoptions vs. staroptions. My question then as to those who have attended the Nanea presentation is whether you can bank and borrow Nanea homeoption points?

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No, you cannot. HomeOptions cannot be banked; however, they DO automatically convert to StarOptions which CAN be banked. The catch is that StarOptions are for SVN bookings (8 months or less) and lose your home resort priority.

okwiater said:

No, you cannot. HomeOptions cannot be banked; however, they DO automatically convert to StarOptions which CAN be banked. The catch is that StarOptions are for SVN bookings (8 months or less) and lose your home resort priority.

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Don't you lose home resort priority anytime you bank for any resort anyway?
I think for all intent and purposes, Homeoptions is just like Staroptions except you can book any number of days and check-in any days even during your home resort period whereas you can only check-in Fri-Sat-Sun and must stay at least 1 week for mandatory resorts.

Sicnarf said:

Don't you lose home resort priority anytime you bank for any resort anyway?
I think for all intent and purposes, Homeoptions is just like Staroptions except you can book any number of days and check-in any days even during your home resort period whereas you can only check-in Fri-Sat-Sun and must stay at least 1 week for mandatory resorts.

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^^^^ this ^^^^

but not just mandatory resorts - really the new system of which (to add to the confusing - purposeful?) there are 3 that have emerged (IMO)
Options based on Flex system of resorts
HomeOptions based on Season - like WSJ-CV
HomeOptions based on View - like Nanea (WKORV-NN)

We are going to need more acronyms soon...

As to the ability for view-based HomeOptions (e.g. Nanea) being used at 8-12 months for other resorts that have weekly-intervals...? Or, season-based HomeOptions (eg. CV) being used at 8-12 months for the other season? Nope... like selling more intervals than actual inventory
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Sicnarf said:

I think for all intent and purposes, Homeoptions is just like Staroptions except you can book any number of days and check-in any days even during your home resort period whereas you can only check-in Fri-Sat-Sun and must stay at least 1 week for mandatory resorts.

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Are you sure? With the changes in the last couple of years you don't need to stay a full week at any SVN property and may checkin/out on any day. I've been making multiple four and five night stays, starting any day of week, for example. There no longer is any requirement for a particular checkin day using StarOptions at any SVN resort.

I'm at WKORV-N in building 7 this week with a great view of the water...and the new construction. They told me I shouldn't hear the construction inside the unit, but the noise is audible. Not sure which I would prefer: construction noise or very early morning children yellowing by the pirate pool...

Update: sorry, I now see you referred to home resort period. I think that does still have the week long minimum stay requirement. Oops!

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Hi Ken - The difference is that with conventional home resort reservations, you can only reserve 7 nights, and only check in on Fri/Sat/Sun - during your home resort period.

Ken555 said:

I'm at WKORV-N in building 7 this week with a great view of the water...and the new construction. They told me I shouldn't hear the construction inside the unit, but the noise is audible. Not sure which I would prefer: construction noise or very early morning children yellowing by the pirate pool...

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Children yellowing - funny autocorrect...
While at WKORV we had a child 'browning' the main pool which closed it for hours. Then, same thing at WPORV - they had to close and 'refresh' the main pool for hours (sending kids down to Cliffs pool). Never understood how those pool diapers were suppose to prevent fecal matter from leaking out? Maybe they should start charging a clean fee? Don't start me with diapered kids in the hot tubs. This is why I prefer being in the ocean with the fish poop...

DavidnRobin said:

Don't start me with diapered kids in the hot tubs.

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Ugh...did you have to bring that up? We were having such a nice conversation about the new timeshare.......

Starwood called me this afternoon to try to sell me a SheratonFlex promotion. I asked lots of questions on Nanea and WPoipu. They were very puzzled by my enthusiasm (and sadly, I have learned more from this board then from their vague answers).

Best,

Greg

GregT said:

Ugh...did you have to bring that up? We were having such a nice conversation about the new timeshare.......

Starwood called me this afternoon to try to sell me a SheratonFlex promotion. I asked lots of questions on Nanea and WPoipu. They were very puzzled by my enthusiasm (and sadly, I have learned more from this board then from their vague answers).

Best,

Greg

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Sorry - I was laughing at the 'yellowing' that is too perfect for the pirate pool.

Nanea is so much more interesting than the SheratonFlex and pool closures due to brown water.

Speaking of brown water - the water outside Nanea has no reef to speak off (and is next to the overflow for the wastewater reclaimation) - those folks are going to be added to the beach outside WKORVN and trickle down to WKORV. I think this is a big downside for owning Nanea (more than kitchenettes and Queen beds) is the lack of reef outside for snorkeling. IMO

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Speaking of brown water - the water outside Nanea has no reef to speak off (and is next to the overflow for the wastewater reclaimation) - those folks are going to be added to the beach outside WKORVN and trickle down to WKORV. I think this is a big downside for owning Nanea (more than kitchenettes and Queen beds) is the lack of reef outside for snorkeling. IMO

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This is an interesting point -- IMO, one of the benefits that WKORV has over MOC is that the beach in front of MOC is pretty bad. It's very rocky and not that conducive to swimming, whereas WKORV is terrific. Whenever we want a beach day, we end up walking somewhere. It sounds like Nanea may have the same problem, and it's a bit of a pain lugging all your stuff 100 yards (note: first world problem).

With respect to the sewage, I think HGVC owners have a similar issue for the new HGVC Maui that is going to be built down in Kihei. Apparently the discharge pipe is very close to their beach, which is modest in size.

We may find that the current properties remain the jewels.

Best,

Greg

I am curious if a Westin Nanea purchaser can rescind their offer, after the 7 day right to cancel, since seller cannot deliver title until the unit being purchased has been built and the Notice of Completion has been filed, before deeds can be recorded.

Syed said:

I am curious if a Westin Nanea purchaser can rescind their offer, after the 7 day right to cancel, since seller cannot deliver title until the unit being purchased has been built and the Notice of Completion has been filed, before deeds can be recorded.

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Hi Syed - looked for you while we were in Lahaina a couple of weeks ago- but couldn't find your location. Just wanted to say hello. I meet someone at the pool here at WPORV buying WKORV OFD from you. He gave me an update of the current ROFR for OFD. Why do you think they are exercising at these prices?

I would love to asked that question during an Owners Update just to see the WTF look on their face... you make an excellent point. Even selling pre-construction there is an associated deed. Wonder how WSJ-CV did it - there must be something in the contract Iassume.

Aloha David,
My office is at the Maui Showcase Properties in the Lahaina Cannery Mall. Do stop in and say hello the next time you are on Maui.

The ROFR numbers have come down recently, which is not unusual. In the summer of 2014 Starwood lowered their buy back numbers and then sharply increased them last February, when they announced the construction of the Westin Nanea and the Points program. It will be interesting to see if the ROFR numbers will change with the start of the new villas sales program.

Syed said:

I am curious if a Westin Nanea purchaser can rescind their offer, after the 7 day right to cancel, since seller cannot deliver title until the unit being purchased has been built and the Notice of Completion has been filed, before deeds can be recorded.

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When I bought Mission Hills North it was for just $1,000 deposit and the balance due when they had their occupancy certificate (or similar). I received a refund when I canceled a year or so later when they canceled the project (and I rejected their then reasonable offer of $21,000 for an EOY at WKORV). Perhaps they are doing something similar for Nanea with a modest payment now and the balance due in the future. I don't know if California law is different in this regard than Hawaii, tho.

FYI, I was able to cancel the purchase at any time I wanted up until the point the balance was due for any reason.


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DavidnRobin said:

Children yellowing - funny autocorrect...

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Wow, yeah. I usually proof my posts but this slipped by. I think I typed that while enjoying breakfast at Castaway this morning.


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Sicnarf said:

I think for all intent and purposes, Homeoptions is just like Staroptions except you can book any number of days and check-in any days even during your home resort period whereas you can only check-in Fri-Sat-Sun and must stay at least 1 week for mandatory resorts.

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That statement is actually quite misleading because HomeOptions are NOT "just like" StarOptions. A points ownership has a HomeOptions value, a StarOptions value, and a Starpoints value.

Although HomeOptions work similarly to StarOptions, an important distinction is that they DO transfer on resale because they represent your home resort usage rights. However, HomeOptions can't be used to book an SVN reservation unless they convert to StarOptions -- which is a privilege a resale buyer would not be able to exercise, even though they have HomeOptions. Converting between HomeOptions and StarOptions is seamless and happens automatically when booking a reservation, but a resale buyer would see his/her HomeOptions in a separate "pool" from their StarOptions.

Also, HomeOptions cannot be banked and have nothing to do with Elite status.

Interesting thread. Besides the kitchenette issue, I wonder why they opted for 3BR/2baths instead of 3 baths? Many times 3BR units are occupied by 2 families instead of just parents with kids, and I know for us even when traveling multi-generation but all the same family the third bathroom is a big plus.

And my first thought when I saw the smaller kitchens was better for the on-site restaurants, and I understand that the younger demographic may eat out more (I think we all do nowadays), but presumably the resort will be around for a long time and should meet the needs of owners 10 and 20 years down the road. A kitchen doesn't have to be huge to be useful- a big fridge and a little more counter space would make a big difference in ease of use. IMHO the full kitchens at many resorts have way too much cabinet soace ( or maybe it's just that I'm so use to cramming my cabinets at home that they seem almost empty ).

I also find it interesting that all 52 weeks are included at the same usage point cost, and that particularly they reserve the right to create event weeks later on. I would think that at first glance it would attract buyers wanting the winter school vacation weeks, but the subject to change caveat would scare off those who bother to read the details.

It will be interesting to see how these sell in contrast to the mandatory resorts adjacent to the property which can be bought on the resale market.
It definitely is interesting to see the differences between Marriott's and Starwood's approaches, and wonder how the stock market will view the VSE spin off from HOT. From the investor's perspective VAC was a huge hit; will VSE be as well?

Have they posted floor plans yet? Now that they have 1-bed units, I'm curious where they are even though they're not ocean view. I normally reserve a 1-bed when in Hawaii, though occasionally need more, and it's nice to know it may be possible to stay at the new resort without spending more than I would at WKORV.

FWIW, I also think they made some interesting design compromises re kitchen in all units and the number of baths for the 3-bed. I suspect I'll be enjoying, and preferring, WKORV (N/S) for many more years.


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Ken555 said:

I suspect I'll be enjoying, and preferring, WKORV (N/S) for many more years.

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But can you really enjoy it when it's located on "Airport Beach"?

DeniseM said:

But can you really enjoy it when it's located on "Airport Beach"?

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No! I was watching the skies carefully this morning as I walked to Duke's...

FYI, Honua Kai has its main pool closed for renovation for apparently the last week or so (I didn't get an end date). No one is outside the main area, so I think they're all by the second pool/building. Dukes was almost empty for breakfast. And the weather is PERFECT...(I'm learning from others on TUG that I must capitalize words when I need emphasis since without such a visual clue they will be misinterpreted).

Also FYI, WKORV now has a small Tuesday craft booths section in addition to Friday's.


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At WKORVN now and south side next week. Informed that they no longer hold on to beach gear left by prior guests in storage on north side. Went to south side and a security guy dug up some leftover beach gear. It's tiresome to buy sand toys for our young one each trip. Wonder what led to the change.

All,

Apparently MFs are priced at $0.0178 per Option, so MFs look to be the following:

1BR RV: $1,441
2BR RV: $2,636
2BR OF: $3,145
3BR OF: $4,587

When I walked through the Hyatt timeshare, their 3BR units had an MF of ~$4,000 and I was surprised at that number. Maui Ocean Club 3BR looks like a "bargain" at $2,700. Personally, I am curious about WPoipu and WCabo and will see those properties have similar high MFs at introduction.

Interesting.

Best,

Greg

Ken555 said:

...(I'm learning from others on TUG that I must capitalize words when I need emphasis since without such a visual clue they will be misinterpreted). ...

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HAHAHA!!! For some reason this made me laugh VERY LOUDLY.

Some nonsense - how do you pronounce the name of this resort? Every time I see this thread on the forums page this comes into my head. It's a worse earworm than It's A Small World After All unless you have the time to dance throughout your day.

Hawaiian vowels are the same as Spanish, and are pronounced separately, not blended, so I'd say: Nah-nay-ah Although that is a guess, because I've never heard it spoken.