We are at the Grand Desert for a week. Happy to hear that they "no longer 'required' (note: they can't require it of owners) that you attend a full owners update at the 'center' - they can just come to your room for 15 min with 5 easy questions". Of course to even hear that you have to take the walk from the check in desk to the Owners desk or whatever its called just to get your parking pass (we know THAT can't be handed out by the front desk - the level of competence requied is WAY beyond them).
So the weasel arrives at the door. He isn't a salesman, doesn't care what we do (read "how stupid you are not to buy into this crap") and will be in and out in no time after he shows us how to use our ownership.
I could type for hours but here's the highlights in summary form:
- We only own 126,000 points at Kingsgate (of curse its actually 252,000 but lets not let facts get in the way). Thats an old resort. Their fees are going up. They had a special assessment (true). They aren't done (they say they are - so if this weasel knows something we owners haven't been told how can that be?) That isn't even a "full deed" anymore as it isn't a full 2 BR at "most resorts". Funny, last time I looked it was still a full, 2BR recorded deed.
- If we don't "maintain our account - you know, like an old car, it will become unreliable and won't get you places". How is that done? Buy more retail points of course!
- Keeping our points based a an "old resort" means we are going to regret it. I asked if points are no longer points - are some a point and a half now? No, thats silly. But new points are SO much better!
- Wyndham is so aware of the resale price problem. They WILL take steps to fix it within the year! Really? You will do something to make the (new price just today of course) $.20 point I buy retail worth more than $01-.02 on the day the rescind period runs out? YES! Of course it won't be for those who are "taking advantage of the real owners and buying resale for pennies. We will buy back your retail points for the sale price less 20% toward NEW points!" (at retail of course - but I guess it is those "better" points) And maybe if you have some old resale points we might buy those too.
- When the new Desert Blue resort opens these old points "will never get you in there on a Holiday or New Yeas". (Ignoring the fact that we're staying NOW on a holiday week as we always do with our "old" points)
On and on and on. In one breath he admits VIP is all fluff - not worth paying for. In the next he's pushing why we NEED to be VIP. Totally ignores my repeatedly pointing out that for what it costs to buy what he's offering "to save me money" I can buy 4 times more points resale AND pay ten years of fees and STILL be ahead out of pocket. "You won't be VIP or have privileges".
So the games never end and they think they are offering a value. Pity the poor owner/buyer that falls for the scam. The in room visit is only worth $25 vs $75 in the center but it was much shorter.
These jokers are insane! They can't see the value just isn't there for retail.
So the weasel arrives at the door. He isn't a salesman, doesn't care what we do (read "how stupid you are not to buy into this crap") and will be in and out in no time after he shows us how to use our ownership.
I could type for hours but here's the highlights in summary form:
- We only own 126,000 points at Kingsgate (of curse its actually 252,000 but lets not let facts get in the way). Thats an old resort. Their fees are going up. They had a special assessment (true). They aren't done (they say they are - so if this weasel knows something we owners haven't been told how can that be?) That isn't even a "full deed" anymore as it isn't a full 2 BR at "most resorts". Funny, last time I looked it was still a full, 2BR recorded deed.
- If we don't "maintain our account - you know, like an old car, it will become unreliable and won't get you places". How is that done? Buy more retail points of course!
- Keeping our points based a an "old resort" means we are going to regret it. I asked if points are no longer points - are some a point and a half now? No, thats silly. But new points are SO much better!
- Wyndham is so aware of the resale price problem. They WILL take steps to fix it within the year! Really? You will do something to make the (new price just today of course) $.20 point I buy retail worth more than $01-.02 on the day the rescind period runs out? YES! Of course it won't be for those who are "taking advantage of the real owners and buying resale for pennies. We will buy back your retail points for the sale price less 20% toward NEW points!" (at retail of course - but I guess it is those "better" points) And maybe if you have some old resale points we might buy those too.
- When the new Desert Blue resort opens these old points "will never get you in there on a Holiday or New Yeas". (Ignoring the fact that we're staying NOW on a holiday week as we always do with our "old" points)
On and on and on. In one breath he admits VIP is all fluff - not worth paying for. In the next he's pushing why we NEED to be VIP. Totally ignores my repeatedly pointing out that for what it costs to buy what he's offering "to save me money" I can buy 4 times more points resale AND pay ten years of fees and STILL be ahead out of pocket. "You won't be VIP or have privileges".
So the games never end and they think they are offering a value. Pity the poor owner/buyer that falls for the scam. The in room visit is only worth $25 vs $75 in the center but it was much shorter.
These jokers are insane! They can't see the value just isn't there for retail.
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