Wyndham Points purchases

Kman · Jul 25, 2015

I am considering buying more points to my Wyndham Seawatch Timeshare. How involved is this process and can I add them to upgrade to a 3 bedroom there. This is my deeded resort. What extra expense would there be besides the points I purchase?

Ty1on · Jul 25, 2015

Kman said:
I am considering buying more points to my Wyndham Seawatch Timeshare. How involved is this process and can I add them to upgrade to a 3 bedroom there. This is my deeded resort. What extra expense would there be besides the points I purchase?

You may more easily find Ocean Blvd with a little lower MF and the same ARP for booking into Seawatch.

Depending on from whom you buy the contract, extra expenses would range from none (seller pays) to you paying $299 transfer fee and/or a closing cost ranging from $150 to $400 or more.

Bigrob · Jul 25, 2015

Ty1on said:
You may more easily find Ocean Blvd with a little lower MF and the same ARP for booking into Seawatch.

Depending on from whom you buy the contract, extra expenses would range from none (seller pays) to you paying $299 transfer fee and/or a closing cost ranging from $150 to $400 or more.

While you have cross-resort ARP at Myrtle Beach, the contracts do NOT combine for ARP. So if you have for example 154K at Seawatch and add 154K from Ocean BLVD, you will not have 308K of available ARP. You have two separate ARP opportunities each at Myrtle Beach, but they cannot be combined.

OB does have better MF rates than SeaWatch, in part because of the higher point cost to stay there.

CruiseGuy · Jul 25, 2015

There's a 154,000 point Seawatch contract on ebay right now. Winning bid plus $299 transfer fee and no additional closing/admin fees.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/154-000-Wyndham-Seawatch-Plantation-Points-ANNUAL-USAGE-NO-RESERVE-/171864258060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803e8760c

Ty1on · Jul 25, 2015

Bigrob said:
While you have cross-resort ARP at Myrtle Beach, the contracts do NOT combine for ARP. So if you have for example 154K at Seawatch and add 154K from Ocean BLVD, you will not have 308K of available ARP. You have two separate ARP opportunities each at Myrtle Beach, but they cannot be combined.

OB does have better MF rates than SeaWatch, in part because of the higher point cost to stay there.

Good point, I missed that he wants to upgrade to a 3BR in the OP. See the ebay link above, and look into EZ Sniper to avoid causing a bidding war

scootr5 · Jul 25, 2015

CruiseGuy said:
There's a 154,000 point Seawatch contract on ebay right now. Winning bid plus $299 transfer fee and no additional closing/admin fees.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/154-000-Wyndham-Seawatch-Plantation-Points-ANNUAL-USAGE-NO-RESERVE-/171864258060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803e8760c

I'd be willing to bet the auction ends closer to $1500, rather than near the $1.50 it's currently at.

Ty1on · Jul 25, 2015

scootr5 said:
I'd be willing to bet the auction ends closer to $1500, rather than near the $1.50 it's currently at.

I'm gonna guess around $1.2K

Kman · Jul 25, 2015

BigRob, So if I get the points deeded to Seawatch, I can combine them for a larger room?

Ty1on · Jul 25, 2015

Kman said:
BigRob, So if I get the points deeded to Seawatch, I can combine them for a larger room?

CWP points frees you from your deed, so to speak. If you have 300K deeded SeaWatch CWP points, for example, you can use all 300K for multiple reservations or a single reservation at SeaWatch with ARP or elsewhere in the 10 month window. So yes. That they are from different SeaWatch deeds doesn't matter so long as they are both CWP contracts.

Bigrob · Jul 25, 2015

Ty1on said:
CWP points frees you from your deed, so to speak. If you have 300K deeded SeaWatch CWP points, for example, you can use all 300K for multiple reservations or a single reservation at SeaWatch with ARP or elsewhere in the 10 month window. So yes. That they are from different SeaWatch deeds doesn't matter so long as they are both CWP contracts.

This is correct. It's just from different resorts that you can't combine. And if you're banking on combining CWA and CWP, don't. I have personally had success doing it, but I had special assistance from a senior VC who knew how to do it. In a rabid 8:00 on the dot scramble for an ARP reservation, you can't afford to be held up waiting to get the right person who knows how to do it.

traveldaddy · Jul 25, 2015

Bigrob, Can you confirm? Is this based on experience?

I thought you could not combine CWA ARP with Mytle beach ARP (which is regional across myrtle beach resorts) but you can combine myrtle beach ARPs.

I am certainly not an expert, but that was my undertstanding from older TUG posts. More like me being an uninformed parrot.

If you couldn't, you could still book 3 or 4 day in prime with one contract and then book a 3 or 4 day prime with the other, although you might have to change mid-week. Calling the resort early might help reduce the chances. Still gets OP close to what they want. Lots of check in and out restrictions, but if you plan it, it can work.

Craig

Bigrob · Jul 25, 2015

traveldaddy said:
Bigrob, Can you confirm? Is this based on experience?

I thought you could not combine CWA ARP with Mytle beach ARP (which is regional across myrtle beach resorts) but you can combine myrtle beach ARPs.

I am certainly not an expert, but that was my undertstanding from older TUG posts. More like me being an uninformed parrot.

If you couldn't, you could still book 3 or 4 day in prime with one contract and then book a 3 or 4 day prime with the other, although you might have to change mid-week. Calling the resort early might help reduce the chances. Still gets OP close to what they want. Lots of check in and out restrictions, but if you plan it, it can work.

Craig

Yes, I can confirm. I had a VC combine CWA points with CWP points to make a single ARP reservation in a deeded resort for a very hard reservation.

As I said, this was awhile ago, and only happened once, and should not be counted on. I have also had a VC apply a single GC charge to a split reservation AFTER THE FACT because, she said, "I had made the original reservations on the same day." I have never had any success duplicating that feat, however, even though the VC I had said they had "all been trained that way" and she'd been doing it that way for over a year.

Note to self: get names and work schedules of helpful VCs!

traveldaddy · Jul 25, 2015

Sorry, I meant can you confirm that you are not supposed to be able to combine the regional ARP from different locations.

I have a couple of small point contracts that I picked up partially for future ARP considerations. They are not at the same resort, but I thought I could combine them for ARP.

paxsarah · Jul 26, 2015

traveldaddy said:
Sorry, I meant can you confirm that you are not supposed to be able to combine the regional ARP from different locations.

I can provide my single data point to the contrary. I have booked a regional ARP reservation in MB using combined points from the Cottages and OB to book at Seawatch. I have only tried this once and the VC did it for me, no problem.

traveldaddy · Jul 26, 2015

paxsarah said:
I can provide my single data point to the contrary. I have booked a regional ARP reservation in MB using combined points from the Cottages and OB to book at Seawatch. I have only tried this once and the VC did it for me, no problem.

That was my understanding but again, only parroting what I had read here. I was only days away from trying this, but the (significantly) better half changed her mind. It is important for future reference for me though.

Thanks for the response.

Craig

Kman · Jul 26, 2015

What is the difference of CWA and CWP?

Ty1on · Jul 26, 2015

Kman said:
What is the difference of CWA and CWP?

CWP: You own at a single resort, and that interval is enrolled in Club Wyndham with a given value of points. You have ARP at that resort (and others in MB if it is MB). You can reserve at any other resort that honors Wyndham points in the 10 month window. Your maintenance fees are based on the MF for that resort plus a club fee.

CWA: The CLUB owns intervals in member resorts, and you own an interest in the Club, represented by your points allotment. You have ARP in any of the intervals the CWA owns. You can reserve at any other resort that honors Wyndham points, or any CWA resort whose CWA intervals have been exhausted for your desired period, in the 10 month window. Your MF are based on the weighted average of all intervals CWA owns plus a club fee.

nuwermj · Jul 27, 2015

Thanks for the explanations, Ty1on

Which type of ownership do you prefer? Which type do you advise for a new owner (I have no Wyndham points at this time) looking to purchase in the resale maker?

Ty1on · Jul 27, 2015

nuwermj said:
Thanks for the explanations, Ty1on

Which type of ownership do you prefer? Which type do you advise for a new owner (I have no Wyndham points at this time) looking to purchase in the resale maker?

Points are much more flexible if you foresee stays at different locations often. I've got an EOY Week because I want to take my kid to DLand every other year for the foreseeable future. I'll deal with that contract after she is a late teen in 10 years.

There are lots of good explanation of weeks and points. I would search them and understand each before I decided.

nuwermj · Jul 27, 2015

Thank you, Ty1on

CruiseGuy · Jul 28, 2015

Ty1on said:
CWP: You own at a single resort, and that interval is enrolled in Club Wyndham with a given value of points. You have ARP at that resort (and others in MB if it is MB). You can reserve at any other resort that honors Wyndham points in the 10 month window. Your maintenance fees are based on the MF for that resort plus a club fee.

CWA: The CLUB owns intervals in member resorts, and you own an interest in the Club, represented by your points allotment. You have ARP in any of the intervals the CWA owns. You can reserve at any other resort that honors Wyndham points, or any CWA resort whose CWA intervals have been exhausted for your desired period, in the 10 month window. Your MF are based on the weighted average of all intervals CWA owns plus a club fee.

Not entirely correct according to page 367 of the current member directory.

Club Wyndham Select is where you own points at a specific resort.

Club Wyndham Plus is the high level points program, and Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Select, Club Wyndham Presidential Reserve, and Margaritaville Vacation Club are all part of Club Wyndham Plus.

Ty1on · Jul 28, 2015

CruiseGuy said:
Not entirely correct according to page 367 of the current member directory.

Club Wyndham Select is where you own points at a specific resort.

Club Wyndham Plus is the high level points program, and Club Wyndham Access, Club Wyndham Select, Club Wyndham Presidential Reserve, and Margaritaville Vacation Club are all part of Club Wyndham Plus.

Your distinction is correct. I fall into the trap of describing CWS as CWP, as do many others here. CWS, CWP, PR, and MV are all under an umbrella called CWP, which is simply the collection of all those members.

PS I think the confusion stems from CWS' original name, FairSharePlus.

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