[2016] Mega Renters

Hey everyone,
Have anyone of you heard of Wyndham "Blacklisting" or marking you account as a mega renter? TIA

How meg-owners are identified.

Several years ago I was contacted by an attorney to try to get us to join in a lawsuit against Wyndham. I was listed in the group of mega renters because that particular year I had paid for over a certain number of guest reservations which therefore identified me as a mega renter. Wyndham was required to provide the law firm with a list of mega renters. I told him I wasn't really a mega-renter. I had been foolishly booking a lot of 1-3 night stays and had used a number of guest reservations for friends and family.

Although we weren't interested in joining the lawsuit I was interested in hearing what the attorney had to say and I learned more than I wanted to know about about Wyndham doing questionable things. But probably still only a drop in the bucket. The attorney was quite honest with me that at the end of the day you are never going to see even anything close to what you paid for your ownership out of the settlement if you bought directly from Wyndham, you will have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and will be barred from owning Wyndham in the future. I have heard from various sources that there are a large number of lawsuits against Wyndham for their business practices and things they do that are most definitely not in our (the owners) best interests. They always settle out of court so we owners remain blissfully ignorant.

We enjoy using the Wyndham resorts and decided not to let what we learned make us bitter or regret our purchase.

What I do find curious is that we owners do not seem to understand that we employ Wyndham, we pay them to work for us. And we are allowing our employee to dictate to us, not act in our best interests, etc.

DisneyGeek said:

Hey everyone,
Have anyone of you heard of Wyndham "Blacklisting" or marking you account as a mega renter? TIA

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Wyndham management knows who I am and what I do. I

I spoke to a corporate salesman recently who told me that there was a note on my account that said that they were not allowed to sell me anything

and at the resorts I am not invited to sales presentations

But the transfer department will still process contracts I buy on the secondary market

Amazing Ron can't be upgraded to CWA or add more points by buying from Wyndham!!! How lucky you are. What a blacklist to be on we don't want you as a customer. That's just not politically correct !!! (removed offensive sentence)

Jan M. said:

I have heard from various sources that there are a large number of lawsuits against Wyndham for their business practices and things they do that are most definitely not in our (the owners) best interests. They always settle out of court so we owners remain blissfully ignorant.

We enjoy using the Wyndham resorts and decided not to let what we learned make us bitter or regret our purchase.

What I do find curious is that we owners do not seem to understand that we employ Wyndham, we pay them to work for us. And we are allowing our employee to dictate to us, not act in our best interests, etc.

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As a new owner of a week at a Wyndham owned and managed property the first red flag is how they say there are all these rules about my ownership but when I ask for a written hard copy of the rules they act like I am asking for something that doesn't exist.

Like you, we're going to simply use and enjoy what we own for as long as it makes sense regardless of Wyndham behavior. But if I'm asked to join a lawsuit I will definitely carefully consider it. These companies are shady and they need to be challenged.

ronparise said:

there was a note on my account that said that they were not allowed to sell me anything

and at the resorts I am not invited to sales presentations

But the transfer department will still process contracts I buy on the secondary market

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Odd. I bet a lot of people would like a note on their accounts that sales people should leave them alone

ronparise said:

Wyndham management knows who I am and what I do. I

I spoke to a corporate salesman recently who told me that there was a note on my account that said that they were not allowed to sell me anything

and at the resorts I am not invited to sales presentations

But the transfer department will still process contracts I buy on the secondary market

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How much did you have to pay them for this "punishment"?

Cheers

Interesting. They must have concluded that the cost of selling you another platinum account outweighs the money they would get from selling you more points.

The only way I've heard of getting blackballed is to tell them you're a timeshare salesman.

I think it's simple.

Any sales organization that knows what they are doing will screen their leads and only put legitimate prospects in front of their salesmen

It makes no sense for wyndham sales to waste time with me when they can see folks with money that don't know this stuff as well as I do

ronparise said:

Wyndham management knows who I am and what I do. I

I spoke to a corporate salesman recently who told me that there was a note on my account that said that they were not allowed to sell me anything

and at the resorts I am not invited to sales presentations

But the transfer department will still process contracts I buy on the secondary market

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Can we start invoking your name at check in or claiming you as a relative? I think I might tell Glacier Canyon I'm Ron Parise's daughter to see if I can get my stupid parking pass any quicker.

ronparise said:

I think it's simple.

Any sales organization that knows what they are doing will screen their leads and only put legitimate prospects in front of their salesmen

It makes no sense for wyndham sales to waste time with me when they can see folks with money that don't know this stuff as well as I do

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I tried that at my last visit to HGVC Elara by clearly stating I had no intention of buying retail and could save a bundle buying resale if I wanted to get into the system.

The salesman agreed to pass me buy but was overruled by "management" so we talked about other things until time expired and I got the tickets and points.

I suppose I'll be blackballed by HGVC for future freebies.

Cheers

Jan M. said:

… The attorney was quite honest with me that at the end of the day you are never going to see even anything close to what you paid for your ownership out of the settlement if you bought directly from Wyndham, you will have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and will be barred from owning Wyndham in the future. I have heard from various sources that there are a large number of lawsuits against Wyndham for their business practices and things they do that are most definitely not in our (the owners) best interests. They always settle out of court so we owners remain blissfully ignorant….

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What a brilliant covert thing for Wyndham to do. Start what appears to be a legitimate law suit against Wyndham, and then get renters to joint. Have them sign the agreement to where they are "barred from owning Wyndham in the future." But, then for some reason the law suit produces nothing for the plaintiffs. Amazing, Wyndham just got rid of some renters.

To me, something looks strange in the description of this lawsuit. Anyone joining this type of a lawsuit is “blissfully ignorant.”

Jim

famy27 said:

Can we start invoking your name at check in or claiming you as a relative? I think I might tell Glacier Canyon I'm Ron Parise's daughter to see if I can get my stupid parking pass any quicker.

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You might be on to something. For the past year I have not had to run the sales gauntlet on the Worldmark or Wyndham side.

The last "owner update" I went on was in Sept 2016 at Glacier Canyon - and I did drop Ron's name. Ever since then - no offers to attend "owner updates".

I wear my TUG t-shirt to updates. Buy one. Try it.

Jim

San Diego Update

My salesperson saw our account and said we would buy nothing from them. I would like to be Platinum but I would only do it if they let me Pic 2 3 bedroom South African units and then a purchase of 105k. I own 1 Pic 154k, 259k at Kona and 105 at Harbor. I bought developer points to be Goldin 2004. I paid 15k Also have 364k which are noted as resale. So my 800 points are 385. a month.

I was going to turn in the Harbor to Ovations until she told me I would lose the Gold status whew!

So I suppose if I want more points I will buy resale or buy some from Ron.

DisneyGeek said:

Hey everyone,
Have anyone of you heard of Wyndham "Blacklisting" or marking you account as a mega renter? TIA

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Does anyone know exactly what a "mega-renter" is?

We throw the term around here to describe people who do "a lot" of renting but it sounds like Wyndham has an actual definition.

I do some renting but I don't know if I trip the threshold.

chapjim said:

Does anyone know exactly what a "mega-renter" is?

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My definition is simply one who rents a large number of weeks for the sole purpose of making money.

George

We "only" have 1.5M points in my family account and we've made the list. (At this point we have minimal resale points). I can only guess (and maybe I'm only kidding myself) it's because of the efficient use of points (we take advantage of every possible cancel and rebook). Yes, I rent out points for others (but the points for others is not something Wyndham would be privvy to). No, I still don't consider myself a mega renter.

My brother recently stayed in New Orleans (at La Belle Maison) with some friends. The friends (guests) were targeted for a presentation, my brother (owner) was not asked.

Last time we stayed in Las Vegas they said at checkin there was a code on our account she'd never seen before. She thought I must have requested not to be asked (if only we had that option ).

I have to admit, it is refreshing to check in with absolutely no hassle. Not a minute is wasted with "the dance" at registration, let alone a presentation.

I should add, Vacation Specialists as well as Owner Care treat me wonderfully. They bend over backwards to be helpful, so they certainly don't try to discourage me from being an owner. They go above and beyond to provide great customer service.

ecwinch said:

You might be on to something. For the past year I have not had to run the sales gauntlet on the Worldmark or Wyndham side.

The last "owner update" I went on was in Sept 2016 at Glacier Canyon - and I did drop Ron's name. Ever since then - no offers to attend "owner updates".

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Is that really true?

and was it a sales person or the parking pass people.

ronparise said:

Is that really true?

and was it a sales person or the parking pass people.

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I want to see the delorean.

Ecwinch is just in a different time zone - 1 year ahead of the continental USA.

Haha. It was Sept 2015. Thanks.

And Ron, it was the sales person.

Makes sense. The body snatchers (er, parking pass folks) have a quota of people they get to take the tour. They have some very minimal qualification standards, but it's not subtle. The sales folks get paid based on closed sales, and they are much more willing to move on when they have no chance.

Bumping this thread to see if anyone knows if Wyndham blacklists or classifies a owner as a mega-renter?

dgalati said:

Bumping this thread to see if anyone knows if Wyndham blacklists or classifies a owner as a mega-renter?

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I hope no one is dumb enough to take your 4-year-old bait.

Old thread. We need to let it die a quick death, take it out of its misery.