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BBS Reg. Date: Jun 6, 05
Location: Belly-View, WA
Posts: 6,433
Resorts: Diamond Resorts Poipu Raintree Vacation Club Winners Circle Wyndham Pahio Bali Hai Villas |
Is there a link to the letter?
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Location: Richmond, Virginia
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Submitted My Option
I went on line, and opted to accept a $20.00 credit on a future exchange.
I did this a few months ago. Do you think this will change? |
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BBS Reg. Date: Jun 6, 05
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 1,614
Resorts: Marriott Harbour Point (HP), Royale Beach , Seapointer, Riverside Suites, WorldMark Pts (WM), Wyndham Pts |
Not a public link. I got it off the PACER court system. It basically just says that all the objector's have hidden agenda's and they do not realize how difficult it was to negotiate the settlement that was obtained.
And that the settlement only need to be fair, and that they feel the one presented is fair. PM me and I will send you a copy.
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BBS Reg. Date: Jun 6, 05
Location: Belly-View, WA
Posts: 6,433
Resorts: Diamond Resorts Poipu Raintree Vacation Club Winners Circle Wyndham Pahio Bali Hai Villas |
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Resorts: Marriott Harbour Point (HP), Royale Beach , Seapointer, Riverside Suites, WorldMark Pts (WM), Wyndham Pts |
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You would like me to cut and paste it into multiple posts?
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TUG Lifetime Member
BBS Reg. Date: Jun 6, 05
Location: Belly-View, WA
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Resorts: Diamond Resorts Poipu Raintree Vacation Club Winners Circle Wyndham Pahio Bali Hai Villas |
If the file format allows you to copy-and-paste text that's what I would do.
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TUG Member
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Location: San Antonio
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Resorts: Marriott Harbour Point (HP), Royale Beach , Seapointer, Riverside Suites, WorldMark Pts (WM), Wyndham Pts |
RCI Class Action - Letter
This is the Plaintiffs Attorney's letter filed on PACER regarding the objector's scheduled to appear at the fairness hearing held on June 16, 2009.
http://tug2.net/RCI/RCILetter.pdf TUG has been kind enough to host this PDF file.
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It's an interesting argument. In essence, his argument is that notice was clearly adequate because had those people not received adequate notice they wouldn't have registered objections.
Under that logic there can't be any such thing as inadequate notice. Case A: no objections received. Ipso facto, notice was adequate because no one objected to the notice provided. Case B: objections received. The objectors wouldn't have objected if they hadn't received notice. Ergo notice was clearly adequate.
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posted at the request of susan collins:
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also posted at the request of susan collins
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Maybe it is the way I see the RCI settlement but it seems to me more like a marketing scheme to enhance business rather than some type of settlement.
Most of the settlement items generate extra monies for RCI with a few exceptions. I'm missing the settlement? |
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Location: Ewa Beach, Hawaii
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Thank you for your work and for letting us know about this. We often do not even read the magazine when it comes unless we see something on the cover that catches our eye. We haven't been very happy with RCI for a long time.
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I believe that the ''plaintiffs attorneys'' have a huge conflict of interest and perhaps an ethics complaint against them may be in order. Maybe we need the address of the State Bar to address such an ethics complaint to. They are totally selling out the interest of their clients.
Also what about the lead plaintiffs? One of them, Aldo, used to post here and on other timeshare boards and is clearly personally committed to reform. I wonder if he could be gotten to denounce the sellout by these attorneys? I appreciate all you are doing. Please also post this info at www.timeshareforums.com and www.timesharetalk.co.uk to reach others who may not read it here. If wonder if any resort HOA's would have the guts to take a stand. Quote:
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They seem to have their owners best interests at heart and want to see them have better results when they choose to deposit a week and/or seek a comparable exchange. For purely selfish reasons, the resorts would rather have timeshare owners occupy the units because they tend to be mature, responsible people who understand and respect the rules, and leave the unit in better condition than a group of "unknown quantities" renters sent in by RCI (e.g unruly "party-hearty teens or college students without proper adult supervison, family groups that exceed the maximum number of occupants permitted, people who do not wash the dishes or take out the trash, steal towels. etc...). The latter group requires more security staff, more time spent billing guests for damages and then fighting credit card disputes, and sometimes fear of malicious retaliation. TUGgers could print out information about the RCI class action lawsuit and distribute it to other owners when they are staying at a resort. Hopefully they may be allowed to leave copies at the Front Desk. Once the Court rules on the method(s) of providing better notification to RCI members of the proposed terms of the settlement, and once the next court date is set, we can work together on many fronts to "get the word out" and encourage members to express their views to the Judge. We plan to develop optional "fill in the blanks" forms for people who might not otherwise take the time or effort to compose personal messages, while encouraging folks to write personal messages if at all possible (because these are almost always read and considered). We will determine the best way or ways to convey the messages to the Court e.g. through Timesharing Today Magazine staff, Susan Collins, TUG, and/or directly from each owner via regular mail or Email. We have been complaining for years about the brazen way in which RCI "steals" space-banked weeks to sell to the general non-timeshare owner public, thus making these weeks unavailable to RCI members to receive as exchanges. We finally have a way to protest this accelerating activity and seek legal intervention to prevent or lessen it. We did not buy our weeks and pay all the maintenance fees, real estate taxes, Special Assessments, and RCI member fees to enrich RCI's bottom line. If RCI cannot make a decent profit on the fees paid by almost 3,000,000 members, incluing RCI Points members, (many of whom own multiple weeks) without renting weeks to the general public, then they should sell the business to a company that can do so. We may be able to get media coverage in some major newspapers. I have some contacts in the field who may be interested in assisting in this endeavor. |
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Trouble is businesses want to not just make a profit but an obscene one, bigger is better, and anyway they can do it seems to be the order of the day.
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We need to get this word out as far as possible. I have posted links to this thread on Timeshare Forums and Timeshare Talk (UK site). RCI members need to be educated to opt out of the lawsuit rather than accepting their stupid and insulting trinkets. Even better, file your own objections next time around and demand meaningful injunctive relief, and NO PAY to these lawyers unless they achieve meaningful injunctive relief.
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Reading this fascinating thread makes me wonder whether Wyndham owning RCI is a factor in all this? If they own or manage the timeshares, and they own the company that exchanges and rents timeshares, and they make even more money directly renting timeshares, where does their conflict of interest end?
I'm starting to feel like a sheep. Dave
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So what happened - did that group suddenly sell out to a bunch of shysters or did your opinion change when, as predicted, they showed exactly why they took the case. Millions of $ and nothing else. Exactly as predicted from the first breathless post touting the great fall of evil RCI's procedures. Not what you wanted so now its the lawyers fault? Give us a break. That's all anyone could ever expect. Read the reply to the protests. They meet the bare minimum to the letter of the law & everything else is ignored. That's how the law works. Short, sweet and unlikely to entertain " they are doing bad" type anecdotal complaints when all the complainant has to do is stop giving them the product. Problem solved. That's what courts like. Short simple self protection.
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The issues are not bogus, but the lawyers involved turned out to be, in spite of one Tugger's info who knew one of the lawyer and said he was the real deal, a timesharer himself who was committed to reform of RCI's malpractices.
TUGS own Aldo was one of the lead plaintiffs, and he is certainly no RCI ringer. Of course, I have always taken the position that a consumer protection lawsuit by a state Attorney General was the best bet, but had kept my fingers crossed that the info on some of those involved in the class action was real. I wish Aldo would come on and try to explain the sellout. Quote:
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BBS Reg. Date: Jun 30, 09
Location: Buffalo, New York
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Resorts: The Cliffs at Princeville (4 weeks), Sailfish Yacht Club (3 weeks), Crown Point Resort, Laurel Springs Resort |
Attorney Disclaimer Ordered by the United States District Court:
I am an attorney who was admitted to represent some of the objectors in a class action pending in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Any statements by an attorney, including myself, should be considered to be the personal opinion of the attorney and are not approved by the Court. As such, my statements contained herein are not approved by the Court. More information is available at www.weeksprogramsettlement.com, the Court-approved website. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm reading the posts on this thread, and I am very pleased that so many people care. Justice is almost never done when those who are treated unjustly don't demand it. Unfortunately, I can't say that justice is always done (or even done most of the time) when those who are treated unjustly DO demand it. But it's a better shot. Earlier today, I talked to the Judge's law clerk to find out whether the judge had reviewed and considered my letter (with the attachment summarizing the terms of the proposed settlement). Both were posted for me by Brian. After speaking with the law clerk, I decided to request appointment as "lead counsel for the objectors." This is apparently done sometimes in class actions suits. I am an attorney (admitted in New York and Hawaii), but I don't do class action suits. (Or at least I haven't so far!) But I do know timeshares, and I do know RCI, and I can recognize when RCI is spinning tales. I was told by one fellow objector that he was told by a person who shall remain nameless that "RCI has to rent out deposited weeks to cover their expenses of paying maintenance fees for which RCI is liable when a member deposits a week but doesn't pay the maintenance fees." (Or words to that effect.) What a scream! Like RCI would do that!! What a wonderful benefit fo the resorts: No more delinquent accounts. Just deposit the weeks and RCI will pay the maintenance fees! (As if!) Anyhow, I hope the judge lets another voice in to the discussions. I'll keep my fingers crossed! Last edited by DeniseM : November 19, 2009 at 03:38 PM. |
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Hey, I didn't know RCI would pay my maintenance fees.
That is hilarious, absolutely a lie.
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Thank you, Susan! You are a true timeshare hero!
One question. I saw a discovery schedule some time ago. Is it correct that no discovery on the merits of the case had even been started at the time this ''settlement'' was agreed to, and that only discovery on the issue of class certification had been done? It is absolutely incredible if that is so that any attorney would agree to a settlement without doing that discovery. Quote:
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Attorney Disclaimer Ordered by the United States District Court:
I am an attorney who was admitted to represent some of the objectors in a class action pending in the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey. Any statements by an attorney, including myself, should be considered to be the personal opinion of the attorney and are not approved by the Court. As such, my statements contained herein are not approved by the Court. More information is available at www.weeksprogramsettlement.com, the Court-approved website. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's great, Jennie! Better luck than I've had. At one resort, I talked to the manager, who told me that RCI certainly should have the right to rent deposits. (Such a shame. It's a small resort, and I don't think she really understands. I'll try the board members instead, eventually.) At another resort, I did not get a definite answer to my request that they include an article about the settlement in the next newsletter. Maybe if everyone who regularly reads this thread asks their owners' associations to help disseminate information, we can really get something going! Susan Last edited by DeniseM : November 19, 2009 at 03:37 PM. Reason: Quote didn't come out right. |
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