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so much $$ differences between purchase via developer vs resale?

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Went to Las Vegas on an invited visit to Hilton Las Vegas on the Strip location.
Had Studio for 2 nights. Was in Tower 2. Seemed nice. On second day, had tour. We passed on purchasing. Although it does interest us.

Have since come back and found and begun to read here and recently joined.

Hilton sales at the Strip location offered us the following numbers (I don't even remember,but I think they were 1 bedroom perhaps 2 bedroom?

7000 points every year = $39,990 + closing costs (later lowered to 35,900)
4800 points every year = $32,990

I see here these sorta points for sale on resale and talked about for many $'s less. How "safe" is it to purchase from individual parties?

Based on what I have read so far, glad we did not purchase then, and I guess have much more reading to do.
 
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Go With Professional Timeshare Closing Services Agency.

How "safe" is it to purchase from individual parties?
When a professional timeshare closing services agency handles the transaction -- preparing & recording the deed, handling ownership transfer with the timeshare, collecting the money from the purchaser, disbursing the money to the seller, etc. -- there's not much to worry about.

Buy timeshares resale. Save thousands on the same thing the timeshare company sells, or the equivalent or something even better.

Nothing that the timeshare companies sell at full freight is worth the money.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
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Welcome to TUG :hi:
HGVC is a great program but I suggest you learn as much as you can on TUG before buying. HGVC is just one of many timeshare systems available.

Here's a link to our "Hilton / HGVC advice article links" located at the top of the HGVC forum - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58716 (see post #4 for TUG RECOMMENDED HGVC RESALE AGENTS).

When you get a chance read TUG's Timeshare 101 article on the TUG Advice page - http://www.tug2.net/advice/TimeShare-101.htm

Here are some highlights from the Timeshare 101 article
Lesson 2. Buying Your Timeshare

Timeshare purchases can be divided into purchases of “new” units (bought from the resort developer) and “resale” units (bought from any party other than the developer, such as an owner, a timeshare reselling agent, or a homeowners association).

A. Developer sales
Developers are the entities that create timeshare projects by building the resort (or by converting an existing resort) and selling the units to buyers. Developers run the gamut from poorly financed, marginal operations to well-known travel and leisure corporations such as Marriott, Hilton and Disney. Many of the early developers of timeshare projects were marginal operations, and contributed to the bad image of timesharing.

After completing a timeshare project, the developer conducts a sales and marketing program to sell the units. Sometimes the developer handles both project development and sales. Other times, the developer will arrange for a company that specializes in timeshare sales to market and sell the intervals to buyers. To interest people in attending a sales presentation, the sales program usually includes financial incentives to people who attend sales presentations. The incentives typically include items such as gift certificates, discounts on accommodations, or other amenities.

Timeshare sales and marketing costs can easily be 50 percent or more of the developer’s sales price. You may be surprised that sales and marketing costs could be so high, but a good timeshare project can easily support these costs. For example, consider that a developer can probably build and furnish a two‑bedroom condominium unit in most parts of the United States for about $150,000 per unit. By dividing the unit into 50 one-week intervals and selling each interval for an average price of $10,000, the developer will have gross sales $500,000 per unit. If the developer spends half this amount marketing the units ($250,000 per unit), the construction cost and sales and marketing cost together will total $400,000, leaving $100,000 net income per unit.

B. The resale market
As mentioned previously, a resale occurs when a non-developer owner of a timeshare week sells that week to another party. Sellers include private individuals, brokers that carry timeshares in an inventory, and resorts or homeowner associations that have acquired timeshare units at their resort. Some resorts have on-site resale agents who accept listings from owners who want to sell their timeshare units.

There are a variety of reasons why people sell timeshares they own, including deaths, divorces, financial emergencies, changes in personal vacation habits, and, unfortunately, people finding out that timesharing does not work for their lifestyle.

1. Prices for resale units
When most people initially try to sell a timeshare they bought from a developer, they don’t realize that the resale value of their timeshare is only a fraction of the price they paid to the developer. As was indicated in the above discussion of developer sales, 50 percent or more of a developer’s sales price represents the cost of the developer’s sales and marketing program. A private individual can’t do the same things a developer does to stimulate demand for their week. Generally all a private individual can do is try to let possible buyers know that they have a week they would like to sell, and see what price the market will bear. Because there are many more people trying to resell their timeshares than there are people looking to buy them, the resale market is generally a buyer’s market. As a rough guide, resale prices more closely reflect the cost of the unit absent the sales and marketing program, or roughly 50 percent of the new sales price. Resale prices for a few timeshare units have held above this level; these are usually top quality resorts in locations with high demand and limited supply. In many cases, these resorts also operate repurchase programs to maintain higher resale values. Conversely, some timeshare units are essentially worthless.

Because there is no central clearinghouse for resale prices, you often cannot estimate a resale price based on past sales. Lacking historic sales data, you should simply recognize that the value of a resale unit is whatever price a buyer and a seller agree on. In some cases, a broker who is active in sales at a given resort may have some information on resale prices. Although sales price information for deeded properties will usually be collected by a local agency as part of the deed recording process, unless you live near the deed recording office you will not easily be able to review these records. TUG also has a historical sales database, containing data provided by TUG members, that may be useful.

You may be able to get some guidance from listings of similar units that owners are trying to sell. In looking at these listings, you should consider that if a unit has been adequately publicized but has not sold after five or six months, the unit is probably overpriced. The implication of this is that most advertised prices you will see for resale units are too high.

Good Luck :)
 
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No resort is worth retail price - especially now

I see here these sorta points for sale on resale and talked about for many $'s less. How "safe" is it to purchase from individual parties?

Based on what I have read so far, glad we did not purchase then, and I guess have much more reading to do.

The price spread between the exact same value of points or a week of timeshare purchased resale vs retail (Developer offers) can be a savings of at least 50% in almost every case - many now getting to 90% or more as sellers outnumber buyers by an incredible margin for even the formerly most in demand and best qulaity places. It is real although unheard of in any other known market. It is a terrible time to be a developer selling "new" systems or resorts or a seller but it is a great time to be a buyer as you have an unbelievable buyers market of choices - all times and resorts - that in some cases you can actually get for free! Buying retail has always been a costly choice but right now it borders on an insane move. Take advantage of the market and buy resale.
 
There's no difference between buying developer and resale with Hilton - something about VIP - not worth it at all.

You should just know one thing if/when you purchase - whereever you purchase - points are points. You can buy Orlando and use your points to go to Hawaii - and the annual fees are lower. BUT - wherever you own, you can reserve 12 months out - anywhere else, 9 months out. So if you want a 2 bedroom July 4th every year in Hawaii, you should buy Hawaii.

Glad you found TUg before you bought developer!
 
finding this site just saved you a ton of cash. I did the same thing, took the tour a few years ago and didnt buy. This year we found the resale market was the right way to go.

I would suggest dealing with someone that specializes in HGVC resales. I purchased from Judy Kozlowski of Remax and she was amazing. She made the purchase really smooth and knew everything that there was to know about the HGVC resale. She will answer every quesiton that you could possible have. She also uses an amazing closing company that handled all the legal work quickly. It was so easy buying this way and we are currently ready to purchase our second unit from Judy any day now.

Give her a call at 1 800 541-5666 ex. 622. Be very careful of buying on ebay and other auction sites, as you will never forgive yourself if you get ripped off down the road.
 
I agree, resale with Judi is the way to go

Here is a link to her site...

http://www.timeshareresalepros.com/index.html

She has many different Hilton listings as well as some others. I bought my first 4800 pt platinum from her in May and I'm waiting to settle on my second property now. She is the best!

Good luck!

Pat
 
Thanks all

Thank you all for the info. I will keep an eye out here and learn some more and then perhaps take the plunge, I think we will stick with Hilton. Couple years back we also got shown a Marriott Timeshare in Vegas, but didn't follow thru. But from what I remember, it seemed that the way this one is setup its a bit better and flexible, although one of the items I thought was great was the Hilton Honors transfer program, but been reading here and finding out more that was not aware of so clearly this is the place to be to sit, read, listen and get opinions and use the resources of the group. That alone seems to be worth the yearly fee.
 
finding this site just saved you a ton of cash. I did the same thing, took the tour a few years ago and didnt buy. This year we found the resale market was the right way to go.

I would suggest dealing with someone that specializes in HGVC resales. I purchased from Judy Kozlowski of Remax and she was amazing. She made the purchase really smooth and knew everything that there was to know about the HGVC resale. She will answer every quesiton that you could possible have. She also uses an amazing closing company that handled all the legal work quickly. It was so easy buying this way and we are currently ready to purchase our second unit from Judy any day now.

Give her a call at 1 800 541-5666 ex. 622. Be very careful of buying on ebay and other auction sites, as you will never forgive yourself if you get ripped off down the road.

Hey Bosco

Are you suggesting Tugger's don;t know their stuff? ;) I wouldn;t discount buying directly from a Tug member and using a reputable closing company.
 
come on, why read into it like that. Im not suggesting anything like that. I just know that for me, going to a resale agent like Judy was the best way to go, no stress. As a new person to timeshares, it was affraid of the process. I really thought that I would be scammed. It was nice having a resource.

I think tug is a great place to learn and perhaps find someone to buy from now that I know more. I am in the middle of my second purchase right now and I wouldnt hesitate using someone like Judy again. But that is just me.
 
come on, why read into it like that. Im not suggesting anything like that. I just know that for me, going to a resale agent like Judy was the best way to go, no stress. As a new person to timeshares, it was affraid of the process. I really thought that I would be scammed. It was nice having a resource.

I think tug is a great place to learn and perhaps find someone to buy from now that I know more. I am in the middle of my second purchase right now and I wouldnt hesitate using someone like Judy again. But that is just me.

Oh I know, I was just teasin'... I have bought through both Judy and Seth, but wouldn't think twice about helping a fellow tugg'er out purchasing from someone here that knows their timeshare. Remember, it's all in the closing!
 
that sounds like a Jerry Seinfeld line, its all in the closing. I liked it.

You are right about that forsure. Hey is OnMedic for ontario medic as in ems?

Im in Hamilton very close to kitchener.
 
that sounds like a Jerry Seinfeld line, its all in the closing. I liked it.

You are right about that forsure. Hey is OnMedic for ontario medic as in ems?

Im in Hamilton very close to kitchener.

Hi, my name is steve, and I am a medic.

Actually, I worked the majority of my career in Hamilton before escaping to a slower rural service and then went to part-time and now I am in sales.
 
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