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DSV I A La Carte Pricing for the SPA

cp73

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Just received an email from DSV I regarding the changes for my upcoming stay. They also include a pdf with the a la carte pricing for the spa. Here are the items on the pricing:

Unlimited use of the spa, tennis courts, pools, fitness, at the JW for a family of 2 adults and up to 4 children $175 (for a week)

Spa access $35 per day

JW pool $10 per person per day, $15 on weekends, $25 on holidays

Tennis courts $22-$32 per hour depending on court surface

I guess we really had a bargain before...this doesn't seem like a deal to me.
 
cp73 said:
Just received an email from DSV I regarding the changes for my upcoming stay. They also include a pdf with the a la carte pricing for the spa. Here are the items on the pricing:

Unlimited use of the spa, tennis courts, pools, fitness, at the JW for a family of 2 adults and up to 4 children $175 (for a week)

Spa access $35 per day

JW pool $10 per person per day, $15 on weekends, $25 on holidays

Tennis courts $22-$32 per hour depending on court surface

I guess we really had a bargain before...this doesn't seem like a deal to me.
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What amount of the MFs was attributed to the JW Marriott access privileges?
 
We will not give the JW one penny.

Why reward an institution that does not negotiate in good faith?

The hotel's occupancy is known to be in the toilet. I have no remorse about contributing to their additional losses (we were previously good for about $3K-4K in annual revenue to the hotel in golf, spa services and meals).
 
curious

I'm curious to hear in a few weeks if the shuttle passenger count drops.

Would also love to know "from the inside" if villas notice fewer hotel charges on villa guest bills ;)
 
DanCali said:
What amount of the MFs was attributed to the JW Marriott access privileges?
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It was $46. It will be interesting to see whether this new pricing model generates more or less cash for Marriott.
 
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At those prices it seems like to me the hotel doesn't really want the DSV I people there.
 
Is this really only for DSV I? Would DSV II also have this option? Just curious.

I wonder if the differential in resale prices between I & II will now dissipate.

Glorian
 
We won't be paying those rates.
 
I understand that DSV-II owners and guests have always had to pay a daily fee to get access to the spa and pool at the hotel facilities. How do these new fees compare to what DSV-II owners/guests had to pay in 2009?

Also, there were some postings a week or two ago indicating that the spa at the hotel had been shutdown, but this thread seems to indicate that's not the case (since they've established a fee for access to the spa). So, I am correct in understanding that the spa is in fact open for business?
 
I wonder if there were any DSV2 owners behind the change for DSV1 ownership?

Not sure if it's true, but my hunch is that Villas 1 had higher resale prices and less availability than Villas 2...perhaps because of the Spa association. I know searches on II showed plenty of DSV2 and few DSV1 units available when I tried to get in.

When I was there for a week a few years back, and when my (adult) kids spent a week there before that, we all made almost daily use of the JW Spa area too...and purchased other services while there. We enjoyed the 'quiet' of the pool too. Wonder if kids will be allowed in with the new weekly $175 fee?

I'm surprised with the change. That might happen at Manor Club in the future too, with the free 6 rounds of golf a week, as that agreement with the golf course expires at some time. Times are a-changing...

Brian
 
Quote: "I wonder if there were any DSV2 owners behind the change for DSV1 ownership?

Not sure if it's true, but my hunch is that Villas 1 had higher resale prices and less availability than Villas 2...perhaps because of the Spa association. I know searches on II showed plenty of DSV2 and few DSV1 units available when I tried to get in."

As a DSV 2 owner I'm not sure what you mean by those comments. How could I have impacted the changes??? I have never had any resentment toward DSV 1 owners. As I have mentioned several times before, when we wanted to stay in Villas 1 we just traded back into Villas 1 or purchased a getaway week there.

Additionally, Villas 2 trade very well.
 
grgs said:
Is this really only for DSV I? Would DSV II also have this option? Just curious.

I wonder if the differential in resale prices between I & II will now dissipate.

Glorian
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Sure seems like the prices will come down foe DSV1
 
There's still been no mention of how the existing fitness facilities at the villas are going to support the demand created by the end of the arrangement between the villas and the hotel. or of relieving the HOA of the financial burden of operating the shuttle service between the villas and the hotel.
 
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Observation...

EducatedConsumer said:
There's still been no mention of how the existing fitness facilities at the villas are going to support the demand created by the end of the arrangement between the villas and the hotel. or of relieving the HOA of the financial burden of operating the shuttle service between the villas and the hotel.
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Just curious -- how come you haven't joined TUG yet?
 
I thought there was a remark/tread on Marriott asking DSVI owners about importance of spa use some time ago. Sounds like the HOA handled it well, it was the hotel that didn't negotiate in good faith.

We own at DSVII because (at the time) I got a great price on DSVII. DSVI pricing was generally higher, although I would have preferred DSVI for the spa use. DSVI's mf was higher too. I figured that I could always purchase spa privileges. (Although in reality...if I have to pay cash for it, instead of it being in the mf's...I may be too cheap to do it.) Now I'm glad I purchased DSVII.

For those that own DSVI though, aren't your units bigger than DSVII? We'll see if that matters in resale between DSVI and II in months to come.
 
I wouldn't think this is over. I would think toward the middle to end of the year the HOA will again approach the hotel ownership or the hotel ownership will approach the HOA. The hotel may miss the extra guaranteed income. It may just take them a year to realize that.
 
Spa

dioxide45 said:
I wouldn't think this is over. I would think toward the middle to end of the year the HOA will again approach the hotel ownership or the hotel ownership will approach the HOA. The hotel may miss the extra guaranteed income. It may just take them a year to realize that.
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In May is their Annual meeting -- they get over 75 owners on a normal basis; but it will be interesting to see if more show up and protest. :ignore:
 
Just a thought

It won't take too many timeshare owners/visitors to use the JW's facilities for them to actually come out ahead. The JW may actually have substantially smaller crowds and the same amount of revenue, resulting in a better JW experience for both hotel guests and those paying to come over.
 
thinze3 said:
It won't take too many timeshare owners/visitors to use the JW's facilities for them to actually come out ahead. The JW may actually have substantially smaller crowds and the same amount of revenue, resulting in a better JW experience for both hotel guests and those paying to come over.
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Just curious, you say it won't take too many timeshare owners/visitors for the JW to actually come out ahead. How could the possibility that some number of owners/guests purchase access from the JW be more lucrative for the JW than a line item appropriation by the HOA to the JW for each unit/week at Villas I? It strikes me that the JW had a constant, guaranteed stream of income from Villas I in the past, that they no longer have (based on some number of Villas I villas x 51 or 52 weeks of the year x recreation appropriation for use of the JW's facilities).

I suspect there's some logic to this that I've not yet figured out.
 
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pwrshift said:
Not sure if it's true, but my hunch is that Villas 1 had higher resale prices and less availability than Villas 2...perhaps because of the Spa association. I know searches on II showed plenty of DSV2 and few DSV1 units available when I tried to get in.

Brian
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I think the spa is one of the factors. Size is another one, DSV I units are huge.

DSV I also has 224 units and DSV II has 384 (70% more units).
 
EducatedConsumer said:
Just curious, you say it won't take too many timeshare owners/visitors for the JW to actually come out ahead. How could the possibility that some number of owners/guests purchase access from the JW be more lucrative for the JW than a line item appropriation by the HOA to the JW for each unit/week at Villas I? It strikes me that the JW had a constant, guaranteed stream of income from Villas I in the past, that they no longer have (based on some number of Villas I villas x 51 or 52 weeks of the year x recreation appropriation for use of the JW's facilities).

I suspect there's some logic to this that I've not yet figured out.
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Scenario with new pricing:
Family 1 pays $175 total to come and go as they please (this is what I would do if I took my family)
Family 2 makes one weekday and one weekend visit to the pool for $60 total
Family 3 does not visit
Family 4 does not visit
Family 5 does not visit

Total revenue = $235 for a maximum of nine days worth of pool visits


Scenario with old pricing:
Families 1-5 pay $46 each and visit as many times as they please

Total revenue = $230 for a maximum of 35 days worth of pool visits (CROWDED).

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IF the scenario with new pricing takes place, EVERYONE (management & guests) at the JW is happy. :)
 
thinze3 said:
Scenario with new pricing:
Family 1 pays $175 total to come and go as they please (this is what I would do if I took my family)
Family 2 makes one weekday and one weekend visit to the pool for $60 total
Family 3 does not visit
Family 4 does not visit
Family 5 does not visit

Total revenue = $235 for a maximum of nine days worth of pool visits


Scenario with old pricing:
Families 1-5 pay $46 each and visit as many times as they please

Total revenue = $230 for a maximum of 35 days worth of pool visits (CROWDED).

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IF the scenario with new pricing takes place, EVERYONE (management & guests) at the JW is happy. :)
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Interesting -- and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what they were thinking. However, I would argue it's not quite that simple. Case in point- my family a few months ago. We were in DSV II and did not have pool access. We asked if we could use the pool only during the time my wife and I alternated watching the kids in the pool. The answer was "no." So J.W. lost out on two spa treatments for me and my wife. Also were less inclined to go back to the J.W. and eat dinner. So you can also count that as lost revenue.
 
thinze3 said:
Scenario with new pricing:
Family 1 pays $175 total to come and go as they please (this is what I would do if I took my family)
Family 2 makes one weekday and one weekend visit to the pool for $60 total
Family 3 does not visit
Family 4 does not visit
Family 5 does not visit

Total revenue = $235 for a maximum of nine days worth of pool visits


Scenario with old pricing:
Families 1-5 pay $46 each and visit as many times as they please

Total revenue = $230 for a maximum of 35 days worth of pool visits (CROWDED).

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IF the scenario with new pricing takes place, EVERYONE (management & guests) at the JW is happy. :)
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OLD SCENARIO: 224 villas in DSVI x $46.00 per unit/week x 52 weeks/year = $535,808.00 in revenue to the JW paid by the DSVI HOA + all of the income potential (food/beverages, etc.) that come along with DSVI owners and guests when they are at the hotel using the facilities (e.g. have lunch when at the pool). Plus, a steady stream of guaranteed income for the JW.

My gut tells me that the former model was more lucrative for the JW then the current model.
 
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