What Does 28,000 Points Get You As a Wyndham Points Owner?

Hello,

what is the magical 28000 points number that I see so much here? Is it the RCI point amount for a studio? or for a studio on short notice? does it apply in any season? What is the requirement for a 1BR? (I think I saw 42K but dont know if it applies to a particular season).
Also, if you book with RCI and then cancel, do they refund the reservation fee?

Here are the points needed to reserve a week within red, white & blue seasons:

Studio (70-42-28)
1Br (105-77-63)
2Br(154-126-77)
3Br(254-189-154)

So to answer your question the least number of points you can reserve a week to use for a trade is 28,000 Wyndham points. Which would be a studio during the lowest season (Blue).

So you can sometimes reserve a "blue" studio ( for 28K pts) and use it to trade for a better season & size TS. That is why you hear people say, "I used a 28 K week and got a 2 bd in Orlando"

Hope this helps

Also Here is a link an older advice thread about Wyndham TS point system (AKA- Fairfield)

amerikrainian said:

Also, if you book with RCI and then cancel, do they refund the reservation fee?

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Only if within 24 hr. After 24 hrs you only get partial refund. Than in a few days, you loss all. Unless you pay 1/4 of exchange fee to buy RCI's own insurance. Which is not refunded no matter what.

Jya-Ning

Yes it does help. Thanks. And (Jya-Ning) I was asking about the refund because I keep seeing threads where you recommend to make and then cancel an RCI reservation when it has something to do with the credit pool (though I still dont quite grasp that concept).

amerikrainian said:

Yes it does help. Thanks. And (Jya-Ning) I was asking about the refund because I keep seeing threads where you recommend to make and then cancel an RCI reservation when it has something to do with the credit pool (though I still dont quite grasp that concept).

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There might be a little confusion. Wyndham points can be deposited into one's RCI account in increments of 28000 and more, depending on size of unit and season being deposited. And...with Wyndham points, for members who're booking a stay at a Wyndham using their Wyndham pts...booking via Wyndham and not booking via RCI...they can cancel the reservation and get those points back into their Wyndham accounts (with no loss of $, except loss of a reservation fee if they had to pay one). Hope this helps...I know it can be confusing, and me, I'm still confused often when it comes to using points to one's best advantage.

For the credit pool, I believe that the discussion has been about making then cancelling Wyndham reservations within the Wyndham system, NOT in the RCI system. With RCI once you deposit a set of Wyndham points into RCI, they can't be retrieved. Then you must make an exchange to another rci resort; you are committed to using the points in the rci system.

amerikrainian said:

Yes it does help. Thanks. And (Jya-Ning) I was asking about the refund because I keep seeing threads where you recommend to make and then cancel an RCI reservation when it has something to do with the credit pool (though I still dont quite grasp that concept).

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Carol and Alex are right. Once you deposit to RCI, you can not do anything about it.

It will be more confuse since they now name RCI - Wyndham. I think I mention borrow point to make Wyndham internal reservation within 90days, than cancelled, so you can move more points to this year (or whatever use year the trip day is fall within) and can use them for later Wyndham internal reservation within the same use year. If you do all in the same day, you only spent 1 transaction credit. That has nothing to do with RCI. You can also use credit pool to save the point or move the point from 1 year to another that can be used in Wyndham internally.

For RCI deposit, you can call Wyndham VC to do a search first deposit, if you don't find anything you like, you can roll it back as nothing ever happen. If you don't roll them back at the spot, you will end up deposit them into RCI for good and cost you 1 Wyndham transaction credit. And have to do exchange there thus has to pay RCI exchange fee there.

For generic RCI deposit, although you will usually loss exchange fee, you usually don't loss the trading power (i.e., so far until maybe next RCI maitainence).

Although Wyndham RCI deposit has loss a lot of trading power, thus your deposit may or may not get anything you desired. But since it does loss more power at better season one, thus make low season deposit much better value (compare to 70k red season stdio deposit). If you are looking at area/time slot with a lot of availability, and / or last min type of deal, it is still very worthy tool.

Jya-Ning

Jya-Ning said:

I think I mention borrow point to make Wyndham internal reservation within 90days, than cancelled, so you can move more points to this year (or whatever use year the trip day is fall within) and can use them for later Wyndham internal reservation within the same use year. If you do all in the same day, you only spent 1 transaction credit. That has nothing to do with RCI. You can also use credit pool to save the point or move the point from 1 year to another that can be used in Wyndham internally.

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So if I can borrow to make the first reservation, why can't I just borrow to make the correct reservation and skip the first step?
Or is it so that I can use the borrowed points to then deposit for an RCI exchange (I assume then that otherwise you cant borrow points to make an RCI deposit any other way)?
Or if I was making the internal reservation next year (that I cancel) that would move my remaining points that I used for the cancelled reservation to next year w/o having to pay for credit pool?
Thanks for your patience and help everyone.

amerikrainian said:

So if I can borrow to make the first reservation, why can't I just borrow to make the correct reservation and skip the first step?
Or is it so that I can use the borrowed points to then deposit for an RCI exchange (I assume then that otherwise you cant borrow points to make an RCI deposit any other way)?
Or if I was making the internal reservation next year (that I cancel) that would move my remaining points that I used for the cancelled reservation to next year w/o having to pay for credit pool?
Thanks for your patience and help everyone.

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They only allow you to borrow point from next use year if the trip is within 90 days. So if your use year is Jan, and you already use all 2010 points. And you want to make say Thanksgiving 2010 reservation today (8 month), you can not do that. You can only make reservation up to June 2010, than cancel it and remake Thanksgiving reservation. Or you can put next year's point into credit pool than use it. But that will be extra charge for credit pool the point.

When you cancel a reservation, the points goes to the use year that covers the trip, it does not goes to where it originally come. So, you could make a 2010 reservation using 2010 points plus some borrow points plus some credit pool point, when you cancel it, all points goes to cancel points and expired at end of 2010 your use year end day. It will not go back to credit pool or 2011 use year.

The only way to move your 2010 point to next year (assume it is Jan use year) is through credit pool. Which for non-VIP owner has to do it before use year start. Once you are in the use year, it has to be used for the trip on the same use year. So at this moment you can not do anything for 2010 points if the use year is starting at Jan. You have to use it before Dec 31 2010. You can still do something for 2011 points, or those points with use year start at April, july, Oct if you want move them to a later year.

Not sure, but if you just try to deposit to RCI, they usually will work with you to make sure you have enough points to deposit, you can even rent some points from them. I have mutiple use year contracts, and never have problem of combining the points to deposit to RCI.

Jya-Ning

Ecellent, now I understand the whole cancelling business. That is a good idea. Thanks for your help.