Has anyone Heard Of These Guys?

As a Timeshare Owner I am getting sick and tired of paying Maint. fees and want to get rid of It. I just want to see if any of you Tuggies have heard of Professional Timeshare Services, LLC located in Phoenix, AZ Phone: 623-570-2190.
They tell me that they can legally get me out of my Timeshare or money back. I'm just wondering if some of you know anything about this Company. They claim that for $2,250 they can you legally get you out of it.

Simply ask them if OK to pay with credit card after they PROVE they have done their thingy?

They are an LLC registered in the state of Delaware. Their website shows their address as Phoenix, AZ. However, they are NOT registered with the state of Arizona which they would be required to since they are conducting business in Arizona.

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/connect.p?app=names-report.p


http://old.azcommerce.com/BusAsst/SmallBiz/SBS/D1/Dm1.htm

Most likely it's a scam. You'll pay them $2,250 and then they will string you along with a bunch of different excuses. They'll need more money for numerous reasons. Then you won't be able to reach them.

It's also possible they'll take your money and never complete the transfer. If you are still the owner on the resort's records then you are still liable for the ongoing MF. Unless they correctly record a valid deed to another party you will still be the owner of record.

Have you tried to give it away on TUG's Bargain Deals? What about listing it for $1 on ebay. Make it attractive by paying 2012 MF's and securing a reservation for the best week you can get.

LAX Mom said:

It's also possible they'll take your money and never complete the transfer. If you are still the owner on the resort's records then you are still liable for the ongoing MF. Unless they correctly record a valid deed to another party you will still be the owner of record.

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I'd refuse to pay until the deed has been legally transferred out of my name

I cant speak to this company, but there are several companies that for a fee will take your timeshare. One suggests using your own title an escrow company..

There have been several extensive discussions here on tug that mention these various companies.

In case you didn't get the message clearly:

IF you send them $2,200 figure it as more money lost. They may, or may not (more likely) transfer the deed out of your name. They likely will simply collect $2200 from many desperate owners such as you & then, without doing anythin to actually sell or transfer the deeds to new owners, disappear. And you still owe & still own it (but are $2200 poorer).

If they won't take payment after proof of transfer to a legitimate new owner (NOT an LLC or Trust that are also fronts for frauds) then refuse to even talk to them anymore. Your credit card won't protect you - if you give them money it is gone.

Sell it yourself or just give it away (far cheaper) and be sure the deed is legally transferred to a new owner & out of your name.

timeos2 said:

If they won't take payment after proof of transfer to a legitimate new owner (NOT an LLC or Trust that are also fronts for frauds) then refuse to even talk to them anymore. Your credit card won't protect you - if you give them money it is gone

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A transfer to an LLC or Trust IS LEGITIMATE as long as the previous owner isn't involved in any scam...

So, if we stop telling people what happens with the LLC's and Trusts, then they aren't doing anything wrong...and the transfer is 100% Legit

And exactly how would the poor sap handing over their never to be seen again $2200 know if the LLC or Trust is being used fraudulently & possibly exposing them to legal liability or not? There is no way to know thus no assurance of any type that the money spent will give them the desired outcome and free them of responsibility for the ownership.

Recommending or making up excuses for any of these slick and usually fraudulent at best operations is bad policy. We should and will continue to advise anyone that asks to avoid them all. Sellmit yourself, give it away - don't risk more money with these likely crooks, scammers & thieves.

Of course what you do with your own money - and report any unlikely success here if you wish - is your own choice. When you successfully pay & use one of these questionable at best outfits do let us know. I don't believe you have so far so you also have no actual experience or track record of proof with them.

To the original poster: DO NOT DEAL WITH THIS OR ANY OTHER "PAY TO GET OUT" OPERATION UNLESS YOU HAVE MONEY YOU JUST DON'T NEED ANYMORE TO WASTE.

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And exactly how would the poor sap handing over their never to be seen again $2200 know if the LLC or Trust is being used fraudulently & possibly exposing them to legal liability or not? There is no way to know thus no assurance of any type that the money spent will give them the desired outcome and free them of responsibility for the ownership.

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See but thats the thing, if you are unaware, then you have no legal liability...you have to be aware of the scam in order for the transfer to be fraudulent....If you are unaware, then you hold no fault and the transfer from you to the LLC is legit...This is the same as if i transferred my Resort to 'John Smith' and 'John Smith' just never paid...I hold no liablity, because i had no way of knowing of 'John Smith's' intent, it's just the transferee that is the problem

Of course, there is a LARGE Majority of these companies that NEVER transfer the TS out of your name...so NEVER PAY ANYTHING until the resort YOU can confirm with the county clerk that the TS is deeded to a new name

acgonzalez

$2250 is probably too much to pay, even if it is a legit operation.

If you are willing to spend that much to be rid of this thing, post what you have on the bargain deals forum for free, and offer to pay the transfer fees and include this years use. You could even throw in enough cash to cover next years fees too

I bet you get someone to rise to the bait. i dont even know what it is, and Im already interested

Ridewithme38 said:

See but thats the thing, if you are unaware, then you have no legal liability...you have to be aware of the scam in order for the transfer to be fraudulent....If you are unaware, then you hold no fault and the transfer from you to the LLC is legit...This is the same as if i transferred my Resort to 'John Smith' and 'John Smith' just never paid...I hold no liablity, because i had no way of knowing of 'John Smith's' intent, it's just the transferee that is the problem

Of course, there is a LARGE Majority of these companies that NEVER transfer the TS out of your name...so NEVER PAY ANYTHING until the resort YOU can confirm with the county clerk that the TS is deeded to a new name

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IF you really didn't know they planned to abandon the LLC fraudulently then you wouldn't be in legal trouble BUT since the "transfer" turns out to be fraudulent you DO have the ownership back & they are out their $2200.

It just isn't a good way to go - there are just no certainties except that the $2200 is long gone (but probably not the timeshare). Don't do it.

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acgonzalez

$2250 is probably too much to pay, even if it is a legit operation.

If you are willing to spend that much to be rid of this thing, post what you have on the bargain deals forum for free, and offer to pay the transfer fees and include this years use. You could even throw in enough cash to cover next years fees too

I bet you get someone to rise to the bait. i dont even know what it is, and Im already interested

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Ron and I normally do not agree on anything, however, I would go one step further, if the fee you are thinking of paying is acceptable to you, post it here with the sipulation, no pay until the resorts reconizes the new owner. Best of luck and no I am not a buyer of re-sale units not bought directly from Wyndham, so, I do not have any financial interest in your doing this or not.

acgonzalez said:

As a Timeshare Owner I am getting sick and tired of paying Maint. fees and want to get rid of It. I just want to see if any of you Tuggies have heard of Professional Timeshare Services, LLC located in Phoenix, AZ Phone: 623-570-2190.
They tell me that they can legally get me out of my Timeshare or money back. I'm just wondering if some of you know anything about this Company. They claim that for $2,250 they can you legally get you out of it.

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You brought this issue up a few months ago in your only other post on TUG in this thread here:

http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171437

You were given the same advice back then as you are getting now. This begs the question, Did you follow through with that advice? It appears the answer is No because you only have 2 posts (at the time that I am posting this).

The advice to try the free giveaway method on TUG will be a lot cheaper and probably a lot more legal.

Perhaps he be subtly shilling, getting the name and number out on the web without overtly "touting"

Has anyone heard of these guys

Ron,

Okay I'll bite - you can have my week & I will do everything you mentioned in your post. Interested?

Judy

rrlongwell said:

Ron and I normally do not agree on anything, however, I would go one step further, if the fee you are thinking of paying is acceptable to you, post it here with the sipulation, no pay until the resorts reconizes the new owner. Best of luck and no I am not a buyer of re-sale units not bought directly from Wyndham, so, I do not have any financial interest in your doing this or not.

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Im sending you a pm