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Old October 9, 2012, 07:28 PM   #1
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Marriott 2013 Maintenance Fees

Owners, please report your Weeks MF's as they are billed (not estimated) in this format:

- Resort Name/Unit Type
- Operating Fee
- Replacement Reserve
- Property Taxes (or note if they're billed separately)
- Developer Subsidy (where it exists)
- Special Assessment (where it exists)
- TOTAL
- Increase/decrease over 2012 MF's whether in dollar or percentage value (because I don't blame anybody who doesn't want to do the math!).

DC Trust and AP Point MF's can also be reported in this thread, as the per-point amount in effect on 1/1/13 and any changes throughout the year.

Please limit this thread to only the MF specifics and take discussions/commentary to the discussion boards. Thanks.

************ Thread Compilation ************

Destination Club / Trust Points

See this thread for reference:
* DC Annual/Exchange Fees - $175 (up from $165) for Standard Members and $215 (up from $199) for Premier and Premier Plus Members
* DC Trust Points MF - $109.25 per Beneficial Interest (250 Points @ .437/point)

See in this thread:
* Post #46

Asia Pacific Points - (limited info) Post #22

MVC Weeks

Aruba Ocean Club 1BR and 2BR - Post #14
Aruba Surf Club 2BR - Post #35 and 3BR - Post #36
Barony Beach Club Post #34
BeachPlace Towers Gold and Plat - Post #27
Canyon Villas 2BR Plat - Post #53
Club Son Antem 2BR and 3BR - Post #66
Cypress Harbour 2BR Summer - Post #49 and (duplicate) Post #63
Desert Springs Villas I and II 2BR - Post #12 and (duplicate) DSVII 2BR - Post #48
Fairway Villas 2BR - Post #3
Frenchman's Cove 2BR - Post #1 (this post )
Grand Chateau 3BR - Post #10 and 1BR - Post #25 and 1BR EOY Post #24 and Plat 2BR LO EOY - Post #61
Grande Ocean Post #54
Grande Vista 2BR Platinum - Post #43 and 2BR Gold - Post #44 and 3BR LO Plat - Post #71
Harbour Lake 2BR Gold - Post #42 and (duplicate) 2BR Gold - Post #45
Harbour Point at Shelter Cove 2BR - Post #28
Imperial Palm Villas 3BR Spec - Post #52
Kauai Beach Club 2BR - Post #32 and 1BR - Post #40
Ko'Olina Beach Club 2BR - Post #11 and 3BR - Post #50
Lakeshore Reserve 2BR Plat - Post #60 and 3BR Prem Plat - Post #68
Legends Edge at Bay Point 2BR - Post #19
Manor Club Original 2BR Plat - Post #20
Marbella Beach Resort All units - Post #64
Manor Club Sequel 2BR Plat - Post #17
Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas 3BR and 2BR - Post #13
Maui Ocean Club Original 2BR - Post #15
Monarch at Sea Pines 2BR - Post #6
MountainSide 2BR-LO - Post #26
Newport Coast Villas Post #38
Ocean Pointe 2BR Plat - Post #55 and 3BR Silver - Post #58
Oceana Palms 2BR Gold - Post #59
OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes Post #33
Phuket Beach Club - (limited info) Post #23 and 2BR - Post #70
Playa Andaluza 3BR and 2BR - Post #65
Royal Palms 2BR Red - Post #71
Shadow Ridge Villages 2BR - Post #47
St. Kitts Beach Club 3BR - Post #2 and 2BR - Post #8
StreamSide Douglas and Evergreen Post #29
Summit Watch Post #39
SurfWatch 3BR - Post #37 and 2BR - Post #51
Timber Lodge 2BR Gold and 1BR Plat-Ski and 1BR Plat-Sum - Post #9
Waiohai Beach Club Post #31
Willow Ridge Lodge 2BR LO - Post #41


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(Jim, I hope you don't mind that your post/thread has been hi-jacked as the "official" Marriott 2013 MF thread. SueDonJ, Moderator)

Frenchman's Cove seems to get these out before anyone else. These are the actual 2013 bill amounts

2bdrm Platinum

Operating fee.................$1334.55
Replacement Reserve..........277.85
Developer subsidy.............-164.38

Total.............................$1448.02

Tax billed separately $232.50


Total w/tax....................$1680.52

2012 Amt w/tax .............$1605.98
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Old October 10, 2012, 11:24 AM   #2
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St Kitts Beach Club
3 Bedroom = $2,135.60

$ 403.54 Replacement Reserve
$1,705.63 Operating Fee
$ 26.43 Property Tax


Over 9% more than last years. This is the one that kills me, St Thomas is (only) about 5.5% more than last year

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Old October 12, 2012, 11:21 PM   #3
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Fairway Villa 2013

Marriott 2013 Maintenance Fees
Fairway Villas has the bill out early also.
These are the actual 2013 bill amounts

All Units 2 bdrm

Operating fee.................$773.94
Replacement Reserve.......226.36
Property Tax......................97.81

Total.............................$1098.11

2012 Amt was .............$1051.38
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Old October 13, 2012, 09:10 AM   #4
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DC Impact

If possible, can the % increase for front desk staff and housekeeping be included in this information? These are the two areas most impacted by the DC system, so I recommend watching them closely to see whether MVC is payint their fair share of the incremental costs.
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Old October 16, 2012, 08:52 AM   #5
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It would be most helpful if all posters could indicate the % increase over last year's budget.

For mature resorts (which most are), one would expect increases to be in line with inflation - unless there are extenuating circumstances, of course!
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Old October 24, 2012, 12:26 PM   #6
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Marriott Monarch 2bedroom/2bath

2012 Property Tax Fee 2012-01-11 82.31
2012 Operating Fee 2012-01-11 723.67
2012 Reserve Fee 2012-01-11 276.28

Total Charges $1082.26

2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-11 84.78
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-11 739.10
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-11 284.58

Total Charges $1108.46

$26.20 (2.36%) increase

Note: estimate was $20 higher so let's hope in other resort estimates they were also high.

Certainly happy with this minor increase.
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Old October 24, 2012, 12:45 PM   #7
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If possible, can the % increase for front desk staff and housekeeping be included in this information? These are the two areas most impacted by the DC system, so I recommend watching them closely to see whether MVC is payint their fair share of the incremental costs.
Interesting point but that discussion should take place in the boards and not in this specific 2013 MF thread.

FYI, any owner is able to review the breakout Operating Budgets (which include line item increases over the previous year's budget) of any resort by signing in to his/her my-vacationclub.com account and clicking through to the various resort pages. Click on the "Owners" tab about halfway down each page and look for the Oper Budget link - they're generally posted by Marriott within a month of the Annual Meeting budget approval.

** Gentle Reminder ** that this thread is meant for actual 2013 MF's in this format:

- Resort Name/Unit Type
- Operating Fee
- Replacement Reserve
- Property Taxes (or note if they're billed separately)
- Developer Subsidy (where it exists)
- Special Assessment (where it exists)
- TOTAL
- Increase/decrease over 2012 MF's whether in dollar or percentage value (because I don't blame anybody who doesn't want to do the math!)

Thank you all.
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Old October 26, 2012, 05:54 PM   #8
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St Kitts Beach Club 2BR

2013 Reserve Fee 311.60
2013 Property Tax Fee 14.27
2013 Operating Fee 1317.05

Total Charges $1642.92
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Old October 26, 2012, 11:28 PM   #9
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Timber Lodge 2BRGold, 1BRPlat-Ski, 1BRPlat-Sum

Note 1: I included the ARDA contribution in my totals.

Note 2: Due to CA's Prop 13, tax rates may vary based on original purchase date.

Note 3: Sorry, I don't have the 2012 numbers handy.

Code:
Timber Lodge / 2BR Gold 
   yields 2500 points at $0.46/ea
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Fiscal Year Description     Amount Due
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2013 Operating Fee              698.96
2013 Reserve Fee                350.39
ARDA Contribution                10.00
Total Charges                 $1059.35
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Tax (billed separately)         $86.06**
--------------------------------------
Total with Tax                $1145.41
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Timber Lodge / 1BR Platinum-Ski
   yields 2775 points @ $0.36/ea
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Fiscal Year Description     Amount Due
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2013 Operating Fee              579.18
2013 Reserve Fee                236.15
ARDA Contribution                10.00
Total Charges                  $825.33
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Tax (billed separately)        $179.18**
--------------------------------------
Total with Tax                $1004.51
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Timber Lodge / 1BR Platinum-Summer
   yields 2200 points @ $0.44/ea
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Fiscal Year Description     Amount Due
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2013 Operating Fee              579.18
2013 Reserve Fee                236.15
ARDA Contribution                10.00
Total Charges                  $825.33
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Tax (billed separately)        $141.78**
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Total with Tax                 $967.11

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Old October 27, 2012, 04:58 AM   #10
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Marriott Grand Chateau - 3 bedroom unit

Operating Fee's: $1,143.40
Reserve Fee: $456.84
Property Tax Fee: $95.78

Total MF: $1,696.02

2012 MF: $1,635

Increase: $61 or 3.7% (assuming I've done the math correctly)

Yeilds 4,625 DC points or 35 cents per point
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Old October 27, 2012, 01:40 PM   #11
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Marriott Ko Olina - 2 bedroom

2013 Reserve fee $176.51
2013 Property tax $135.96
2013 Operating fee $1464.47

Total $1776.94

$60 increase or 3.5%
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Old October 28, 2012, 06:12 PM   #12
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Resorts: Shadow Ridge Enclaves, Desert Springs Villas I, Desert Springs Villas II, Shadow Ridge Villages
2013 Desert Springs Villas I & II

These bills are for a 2BR unit.

DSV I 2013 Bill

Operating Fee 819.56
Reserves Fee 465.74
2013 Total 1,285.30

2013 property Tax Billed Separately by County $58.68

2102 Bill
Operating Fee 755.49
Reserves Fee 470.32
2012 Total 1,225.78

2012 Property Tax Billed Separately by County $76.76

Difference 2012-2012

Operating Fee +64.07 +8.4%
Reserves Fee - 4.58 -1.1%
Total +59.49 +4.9%

County Lowered Assessed Value from $4,500 in 2012 to $3,000 in 2013


DSV II 2013 Bill

Operating Fee 705.38
Reserves Fee 366.39
2013 Total 1,071.77

2013 property Tax Billed Separately by County $77.72

2012 Bill
Operating Fee 667.54
Reserves Fee 348.94
2012 Total 1,016.48

2012 Property Tax Billed Separately by County $76.76

Difference 2012-2012

Operating Fee +37.84 +5.7%
Reserves Fee +17.45 +5.0%
Total +55.29 +5.4%

County Increased Assessed Value from $4,500 in 2012 to $4,590 in 2013

Cannot get a satisfactory answer from county how a unit had assessed value raised 2% while another unit on same property was lowered 33%. They claim Proposition 13 allows them to increase values 2% a year. Yet the same Proposition required them to use the purchase price as the base year and they used a value 3 times higher than purchase price for base year. They say I can pay for appraisal and challenge in court if I like. It is a $20 difference so I guess the county wins!

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Old October 31, 2012, 03:17 PM   #13
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Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas 3BR

2013 AOAO Operating Assessment 2013-01-11......... 887.99
2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-11......................... 336.97
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-11 ............................. 991.84
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 2013-01-11 ........... 106.78
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-11 ................................ 273.91
Total Charges .................................................. $2,597.49


Quote:
2012 AOAO Operating Assessment 2012-01-11....$873.33..............(2011--- $897)
2012 Property Tax Fee 2012-01-11........................346.72............ ..(2011 -- $408)
2012 Operating Fee 2012-01-11............................973.72........ ......(2011 -- $944)
2012 AOAO Reserve Assessment 2012-01-11..........99.98...............(New this year)
2012 Reserve Fee 2012-01-11...............................255.99..... .........(2011 -- $213)
Total Charges........................................... .........$2,549.74............(2011 -- $2,463)

Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas 2BR

2013 AOAO Operating Assessment 2013-01-11......... 739.99
2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-11......................... 280.81
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-11............................. 826.53
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 2013-01-11............ 88.98
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-11................................ 228.26
Total Charges ................................................. $2,164.57

ETA: I added the 2012 and 2011 for the 3BR, but don't have it for the 2BR as it was a recent purchase. Thx

ETA 2012 info from discussion post here, SueDonJ
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2012 Property Tax Fee 288.93
2012 AOAO Replacement Reserve .. 83.31
2012 AOAO Operating Fee ........... 727.78
2012 Replacement Reserve .......... 213.32
2012 Operating Fee ...................... 811.45
Total Charges .......................... $2,124.79 ...
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Old October 31, 2012, 04:07 PM   #14
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Aruba Ocean Club

Aruba Ocean Club
.................................................. ...........................1 Bedroom .................................................. ......... 2 bedroom
Operating Fee:.............................................. .............$657.85 .................................................. ......... $866.96
Reserve Fee: .................................................. ......... $286.82 .................................................. ......... $388.03
Utilities: .................................................. ......... $184.01 .................................................. ......... $257.87
Total: .................................................. ................$1,128.68 .................................................. ........ $1,512.86

The fees on the one bedroom increased from $978.48. I do not know the 2 bedroom numbers. I could be off on last year's numbers!!

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Old November 1, 2012, 10:30 AM   #15
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Maui Ocean Club - Original

2012 AOAO Operating Assessment 649.57
2012 Property Tax Fee 257.88
2012 Operating Fee 724.23
2012 AOAO Reserve Assessment 74.36
2012 Reserve Fee 190.40

Total Charges $1896.44


2013 Operating Assessment 660.47
2013 Property Tax Fee 250.64
2013 Operating Fee 737.68
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 79.42
2013 Reserve Fee 203.73


Total Charges $1931.94

$35.50 (1.84%) increase

Totally happy with the MFs trends so far with our units. Under $2k for a 2BDRM OF in Maui is still a great value.
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Old November 1, 2012, 10:36 AM   #16
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Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas 3BR

2013 AOAO Operating Assessment 2013-01-11......... 887.99
2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-11......................... 336.97
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-11 ............................. 991.84
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 2013-01-11 ........... 106.78
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-11 ................................ 273.91
Total Charges .................................................. $2,597.49





Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas 2BR

2013 AOAO Operating Assessment 2013-01-11......... 739.99
2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-11......................... 280.81
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-11............................. 826.53
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 2013-01-11............ 88.98
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-11................................ 228.26
Total Charges ................................................. $2,164.57

ETA: I added the 2012 and 2011 for the 3BR, but don't have it for the 2BR as it was a recent purchase. Thx
Awesome same 1.84% increase as original. Glad to see the property is keeping costs in check.
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Old November 1, 2012, 10:39 AM   #17
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2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-14 $286.00
2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-14 $64.24
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-14 $744.76

Total amount $1095.00

2012 total was $1008 - so we've had an 8.6% increase. OUCH.
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Maui Ocean Club - Original

2012 AOAO Operating Assessment 649.57
2012 Property Tax Fee 257.88
2012 Operating Fee 724.23
2012 AOAO Reserve Assessment 74.36
2012 Reserve Fee 190.40

Total Charges $1896.44


2013 Operating Assessment 660.47
2013 Property Tax Fee 250.64
2013 Operating Fee 737.68
2013 AOAO Reserve Assessment 79.42
2013 Reserve Fee 203.73


Total Charges $1931.94

$35.50 (1.84%) increase

Totally happy with the MFs trends so far with our units. Under $2k for a 2BDRM OF in Maui is still a great value.
Awesome news, Joe! Thanks for posting, I hadn't checked recently, I am so happy with the small increase.
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Marriott's Legend Edge at Bay Point, 2013 fee

2013 Operating Fee 863.64
2013 Club Fee 35.36
2013 Reserve Fee 233.53
2013 Property Tax Fee 83.91
Total Charges $1216.44
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Manor Club Original (MMC)

2013 Property Tax Fee 2013-01-14 64.24
2013 Operating Fee 2013-01-14 744.76
2013 Reserve Fee 2013-01-14 286.00
Total Charges $1095.00

Last year it was $998. That's a 9.1% increase. Pretty steep.

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Old November 2, 2012, 10:06 AM   #21
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Crystal Shores in Marco Island - Silver

2 BR -Silver Season

Operating Fee = $1356.44
Repl. Reserve = $278.26
Prop. Tax = $32.51
Dev. Subs. = $-117.75

Total = $1549.46
% increase = 9%

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Asia Pacific Club Points 2012 increase 3.99%
Asia Pacific Club Points 2013 increase 3.19%
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PBC 2013 increase 3.5% circa US$950/week
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Old November 2, 2012, 06:53 PM   #24
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Resorts: Marriott Grand Chateau (2), St. Lucia WJL, Polo Towers, Hyatt Sunset Harbor & Beach House, SDO (2), Marriott KBC
Marriott Grand Chateau - 1BR EOY

Total: $391.44

Property Tax Fee $19.10
Operating Fee $282.94
Reserve Fee $89.40
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Marriott Grand Chateau - 1BR EY

Total: $782.86

Property Tax Fee $38.19
Operating Fee $565.88
Reserve Fee $178.79
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