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Wow! Marriott buys into Atlantis Resort! [split from other thread]

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The Marriott TUG board is BUZZING with excitement! There's a lot of hope and speculation on a conversion of hotel units into a Marriott Atlantis timeshare - or the ability to use DC points to book a room at the resort. Very interesting development. I think it's good to see new money go into Atlantis. http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213456
 
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Yup, it will be interesting exactly how this works out. But any investment or support of Atlantis is good for us, too.


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How is this different than any other Marriott hotel? and what does it do for Marriott timeshare owners


Marriott spun off most of their reaestate years ago...They dont own much, They manage or or allow others to fly their flag and manage to Marriott standards (franchise).
 
Marriott owners in the Destinations Club are hoping to be able to use points to stay at Atlantis. There is little doubt it will cost a LOT of points, though.

I think it's great to see Marriott make an investment in Atlantis. It's a fantastic resort, but has some serious financial issues to deal with. Plus competition from the new Baha Mar development opening this December http://www.bahamar.com/welcome-to-the-new-riviera/
 
From this week's Wall Street Journal:
The owner of the giant Bahamas resort complex known as Atlantis has completed a $1.9 billion recapitalization of the hotel and gambling destination and will replace the hotel manager shortly before a rival resort is poised to open nearby.

A Brookfield Asset Management property fund has reached an agreement for a $1.75 billion credit facility with a lending group to replace existing debt. The fund also will invest $195 million of equity in Atlantis, a 171-acre resort with 3,414 hotel rooms, a casino and water-park attractions that South African hotelier Sol Kerzner developed.

Marriott International Inc. will provide a $100 million junior loan to Brookfield. It also has reached a franchise agreement with Atlantis to become part of Marriott's Autograph Collection of independent hotels.

Brookfield, which took control of Atlantis from Mr. Kerzner during a 2012 debt restructuring, is removing Kerzner International as manager of the resort. The Atlantis will be run by a newly created Brookfield hotel-management company.

The changes at Atlantis come as a new competitor, Baha Mar, is preparing to open only a few miles away. The new resort and casino is a $3.5 billion project being developed with financing from a Chinese government bank.
 
Just posted about this on this thread, but will chime in here.

Its not precisely right to say that Marriott 'bought-in'. More precisely, they are 'affiliating' with Atlantis and are loaning $100 million to Brookfield to pay off the old (in default) mortgages on Atlantis. It doesn't sound like Marriott will be managing Atlantis (for now, at least).

Conversions of any units from hotel rooms to timeshares is highly unlikely. That would be making a material change to the collateral behind the loans. You can't do that (unless its already structured that way in the deal).

Does anybody know if there are other places where Marriott and Starwood work together on a joint venture?

And the really big news I see in this is that Kerzner will no longer be any part of Atlantis. The top on-site manager from Kerzner is staying on, at last for now, but Sol Kerzner won't have any part of Atlantis as of September 9.

From The Nassau Guardian:
The remarks came during a press conference held in the Office of the Prime Minister yesterday, in which BAM announced that Atlantis had arranged and closed on a $1.75 billion, seven-year, fixed rate credit facility on top of a $195 million equity investment in the resort.

In addition, BAM unveiled a new wholly-owned subsidiary, Brookfield Hospitality LLC, which will assume the management of Atlantis once its management contract with Kerzner International expires on September 9 of this year.

Balkin added that Markantonis will assume managerial responsibilities of Brookfield Hospitality following the transition and that the subsidiary will be staffed with many of the senior executives from Atlantis as part of the hotel’s “seamless transition” to new management.

BAM confirmed that the change in management would have no impact on Atlantis’ day-to-day operations or cause a reduction in Atlantis’ current staff, while pledging that Bahamian contractors, labor, and materials would still be utilized to the fullest extent at the resort.

Here's a WSJ article on this:
The owner of the giant Bahamas resort complex known as Atlantis has completed a $1.9 billion recapitalization of the hotel and gambling destination and will replace the hotel manager shortly before a rival resort is poised to open nearby.

A Brookfield Asset Management property fund has reached an agreement for a $1.75 billion credit facility with a lending group to replace existing debt. The fund also will invest $195 million of equity in Atlantis, a 171-acre resort with 3,414 hotel rooms, a casino and water-park attractions that South African hotelier Sol Kerzner developed.

Marriott International Inc. will provide a $100 million junior loan to Brookfield. It also has reached a franchise agreement with Atlantis to become part of Marriott's Autograph Collection of independent hotels.

Brookfield, which took control of Atlantis from Mr. Kerzner during a 2012 debt restructuring, is removing Kerzner International as manager of the resort. The Atlantis will be run by a newly created Brookfield hotel-management company.

The changes at Atlantis come as a new competitor, Baha Mar, is preparing to open only a few miles away. The new resort and casino is a $3.5 billion project being developed with financing from a Chinese government bank.
 
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This could be great if Marriott's & II timeshare owners can exchange into this resort. Right now the Atlantic only exchange/trade using RCI.
 
Its not being turned into timeshares.

No*, but if it follows the model of other Marriott-affiliated Autograph Collection hotels, Marriott Destination Club Members will be able to use their Points to book it through the DC Explorer Collection. Like Pam said, it's not at all the most economical use of Points but it's an option that many of us are looking forward to using given that the only other options involve a boatload of cash.

As well, Marriott reps on various official social sites are already saying that it will fully integrate into the Marriott Rewards Program which will allow booking with those Points, and MRP and Elite Nights will accrue for cash stays. Granted, this benefit encompasses many, many more folks than just the timeshare owners, but most of us work that program to its full potential.

*The DC system is designed so that hotel/resort units can be retrofitted as timeshare units and then integrated into the DC Exchange Company (which won't require that they be purchased and conveyed to the DC Trust.) It hasn't happened yet and if/when it does it will be more problematic with Autograph Collection properties than more closely-held Marriott properties but I'll never say never, especially when you're dealing with properties that already have suites and multi-bedroom units. :)
 
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Questions for the Harborside/Starwood experts:

Would I be right in thinking that Harborside has the loosest connection (or at least one of the loosest connections) to the Starwood network out of all the SVO properties?

If so, what are the chances that Harborside follows Atlantis and moves over to Marriott/MVCI sometime in the future? Are the mechanics for that sort of a transfer even possible?
 
I'm not sure where you got that idea. HRA is the highest demand resort in the SVN, and Starwood makes a fortune when they resell inventory that they re-acquire through various methods. They also are making a fortune on the very high maintenance fees - they would be crazy to let it go.

Starwood resorts are owned by owners, not by the management companies. Only the BOD can decide to fire Starwood and hire new management. Although, I guess Starwood could decide not to renew their management contract on their end. Harborside has a BOD, in theory it is comprised of an independent group of owners - but in reality, they rubber stamp Starwood's decisions. I don't seem them firing Starwood, and hiring someone else.

So unless Starwood gets out of the timeshare management business, I can't think of any scenario where this might happen.
 
I'm not sure where you got that idea. HRA is the highest demand resort in the SVN, and Starwood makes a fortune when they resell inventory that they re-acquire through various methods. They also are making a fortune on the very high maintenance fees - they would be crazy to let it go.

Starwood resorts are owned by owners, not by the management companies. Only the BOD can decide to fire Starwood and hire new management. Although, I guess Starwood could decide not to renew their management contract on their end. Harborside has a BOD, in theory it is comprised of an independent group of owners - but in reality, they rubber stamp Starwood's decisions. I don't seem them firing Starwood, and hiring someone else.

So unless Starwood gets out of the timeshare management business, I can't think of any scenario where this might happen.

I wasn't suggesting that Harborside was anything other than a super-prime resort in the SVO network. What I was asking was if Harborside was as closely affiliated to Starwood as a lot of the other SVO properties that are branded with 'typical' Starwood branding (Westin, Sheraton) and are recognisably 'Starwood' (which, IMO, Harborside isn't).

My other question may have been better phrased like this: If Marriott dangled investment in front of Harborside's BoD would they consider a move and would such a move be simple or complicated?

Based on what you say about Harborside's BoD I guess the answer to my second question would be "unlikely".
 
My other question may have been better phrased like this: If Marriott dangled investment in front of Harborside's BoD would they consider a move and would such a move be simple or complicated?

What "investment" would this be?
 
What "investment" would this be?

I'm talking hypothetically...but let's say a loan (at very favourable rate) to do whatever improvements the BoA wanted to do to the resort.

Or, it wouldn't even have to be a financial carrot.....I'm sure there are other things out there that Marriott could bring to the table that may be appealing.

Anyway, your comment re the nature of the BoA already answered the question of the likelihood of anything happening from the Resort's point of view. If they're just rubber stamping whatever Starwood say then that's that.
 
I certainly HOPE the BOD wouldn't accept a loan, because it's the owners who would have to pay it back!
 
I certainly HOPE the BOD wouldn't accept a loan, because it's the owners who would have to pay it back!

Agreed (we own at HRA btw :)). I can see circumstances where a short term loan at a favourable rate would be a good thing but we're talking very specific and special circumstances and ones I don't see at Harborside right now.
 
In the realm of the hypothetical, let's say that Marriott (through their new hotel-side affiliation) was able to work out an HRA Phase 3, something Starwood hasn't been able to do. Marriott could afford to offer a pretty substantial "buyout" in such a scenario.
 
In the realm of the hypothetical, let's say that Marriott (through their new hotel-side affiliation) was able to work out an HRA Phase 3, something Starwood hasn't been able to do. Marriott could afford to offer a pretty substantial "buyout" in such a scenario.

What would Marriott be "buying?"

Why would the owners in Phase 1 & 2, want to lose their Staroptions and Starpoints, and possibly lose their Elite Status with Starwood, by going over to Marriott?
 
In the realm of the hypothetical, let's say that Marriott (through their new hotel-side affiliation) was able to work out an HRA Phase 3, something Starwood hasn't been able to do. Marriott could afford to offer a pretty substantial "buyout" in such a scenario.

With the occupancy levels of the hotels if I were Atlantis I too would be loath to approve HRAIII.

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What would Marriott be "buying?"

Why would the owners in Phase 1 & 2, want to lose their Staroptions and Starpoints, and possibly lose their Elite Status with Starwood, by going over to Marriott?

It's all hypothetical, but Marriott could present an offer to the Board that included a substantial cash contribution to remodel and improve the property, as well as expand with an HRA Phase III. It could also include a cash buyout of the remainder of Starwood's management contract. If Starwood decided they wanted out of HRA, they could certainly say it's in the interest of the owners to vote for such a deal, as it brings additional investment, improvements, and expansion to the property. Nevermind whether or not owners actually want it.

But, like I said, this is hypothetical. I don't see it actually happening, but without real owner representation on the Board I would think there are numerous ways of structuring such a deal.
 
This could be great if Marriott's & II timeshare owners can exchange into this resort. Right now the Atlantic only exchange/trade using RCI.
I'm confused about this post. Do you mean the Atlantis only trades through RCI? I thought the Atlantis only trades through II.
 
I'm confused about this post. Do you mean the Atlantis only trades through RCI? I thought the Atlantis only trades through II.

Sheraton / Westin owned Harborside Resort at Atlantis is an II trade.

That's the only TS with Atlantis benefits. Others are on paradise island and trade in RCI but are on the outside looking in.

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With the occupancy levels of the hotels if I were Atlantis I too would be loath to approve HRAIII.
Can you elaborate upon Atlantis' occupancy levels? I've see all discounts they put out on the hotel rooms, but I've never seen anything concrete that say that occupancy is suffering. The news bytes I've seen say this:
According to marketing materials for the loan proposal, the Atlantis withstood the downturn well, with revenues dropping less than 15% from the peak in 2008 to the market bottom in 2009. The occupancy rate has increased each year since 2009. The net operating income grew by 11% in the 12 months ending in May, but was still 23% below peak level.

Marriott owners in the Destinations Club are hoping to be able to use points to stay at Atlantis. There is little doubt it will cost a LOT of points, though.
Is Marriott's Destination Club like Starwood SPG system in every night has the same point value, regardless of the time of year?

I'm asking because I've always though that was a flaw in the SPG system. It seems silly that a room during peak spring break week (at the Swan/Dolphin at Disney, for example) is 10,000 points a night when it is around $350 a night, but is also 10,000 a night in the fall doldrums when that same room could be $130 a night.

Atlantis is very much the same in that the same room room can range from $400 to $99, depending on the season.

Which is another way of saying, yes, it will be points rich for Marriott's DC if they work this way, but could be much cheaper of the point cost floats with room pricing.
It's a fantastic resort, but has some serious financial issues to deal with.
With this restructuring and recapitalization, I think Atlantis has moved from 'having issues' to being pretty typical.

Yes, the competition with Bahamar could be an issue, but I think a revitalized Cable Beach will be good for Nassau and Atlantis in the long run. The analogy I would use is Orlando when Universal built a competitor to Disney. The result has been annual record levels of visitors to Orlando (and record attendance at the individual parks), a much higher quality experience for visitors, and increased airlift into Orlando's airport. Getting more flights into Nassau could make visiting Atlantis much more economical. Right now, I'd bet people have to spend around a third of their vacation budget just getting there.
 
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