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HGVC vs Marriott

islandlife

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Hi All, My husband and I are getting ready to purchase our first ts. We have been researching a few and are interested in what you have to say. Has anyone compared the Hilton program with Marriott? What were your pro's or con's for each? I've been reading the forums the last few days and see good things posted about both. At any rate, any insite you can offer regarding these two would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.:)
 
I'll put in my 2cents worth as a happy HGVC owner.

The pro's of HGVC, very flexible, great resorts if you want to go to Vegas, Orlando & Florida & some Hawaii, top trades in RCI, the Open Season program is great for last minute getaways (we use it for Vegas very frequently)

The pro's in Marriott (though I am not a Marriott owner), great resorts, great locations, lots and lots more locations than HGVC, very nice properties overall (of the ones I have stayed in & visited).

I will only speak on the cons of HGVC, since I am not a Marriott owner I don't want to comment on that. My and I think most tuggers complaint with HGVC is the lack of destinations outside the area's I mentioned above. That is my only real complaint, but unfortunately I think it's a big deal that HGVC has not kept up with other clubs like Marriott or Starwood in building more resorts in more destinations than Vegas & Orlando. The affiliates just aren't the same as a HGVC resort as far as availibility etc.

I am sure more Marriott folks will chime in as well as HGVC people.

Good luck & enjoy!

Rick
 
To add to Rick's comments..

I owned both, but I sold my Marriott and bought more HGVC.
The biggest reason I would rather own HGVC

Maint fees are on average, much much less.
HGVC is VERY flexible and I go to Vegas often.
HGVC trades fantastic in RCI and most of my favorite resorts are RCI resorts.

Marriott only trades in II, which for some.. Is the best reason to buy Marriott. II has many more luxurious resorts than RCI.. but for me.. its not a big deal.

Marriott is basically a week for week trade.

If you buy resale..
HGVC you can convert your HGVC points into Hilton honors points
Marriott you cannot convert to Marriott Rewards.

In the future I will most likely buy a Marriott.. but that wont be until the kids are gone and I can afford to go to Maui every year.
In the meantime , I'll enjoy my California Beach vacations with RCI.
 
CaliDave said:
To add to Rick's comments..

I owned both, but I sold my Marriott and bought more HGVC.
The biggest reason I would rather own HGVC

Maint fees are on average, much much less.
HGVC is VERY flexible and I go to Vegas often.
HGVC trades fantastic in RCI and most of my favorite resorts are RCI resorts.

Marriott only trades in II, which for some.. Is the best reason to buy Marriott. II has many more luxurious resorts than RCI.. but for me.. its not a big deal.

Marriott is basically a week for week trade.

If you buy resale..
HGVC you can convert your HGVC points into Hilton honors points
Marriott you cannot convert to Marriott Rewards.

In the future I will most likely buy a Marriott.. but that wont be until the kids are gone and I can afford to go to Maui every year.
In the meantime , I'll enjoy my California Beach vacations with RCI.


Marriott is not necessarily week for a week. If you get a lock-off, you can get 2 trades for one. Also, many Marriotts get AC certificates (basically another week for very cheap).
 
I had a contract for HGVC and resinded and bought Marriott, 2 units actually. My reasoning was primarily 2 fold. First Marriott had alot more locations and also had the Marriott to Marriott 24 day trade advantage, making it easier to get another Marriott somewhere else. All Marriotts supposed trade as red with II. Also Myself, wife and 2 teenage daughters went thru the RCI and II book. We compared the resorts in different areas and thought II had much nicer resorts, hands down. Have absolutely no regrets.
 
armlem2 said:
I had a contract for HGVC and resinded and bought Marriott, 2 units actually. My reasoning was primarily 2 fold. First Marriott had alot more locations and also had the Marriott to Marriott 24 day trade advantage, making it easier to get another Marriott somewhere else. All Marriotts supposed trade as red with II. Also Myself, wife and 2 teenage daughters went thru the RCI and II book. We compared the resorts in different areas and thought II had much nicer resorts, hands down. Have absolutely no regrets.

Re: The red part...Not all Marriotts trade as red through II or RCI (of those MAR in RCI). Some may trade in a less demand color.
 
Marriott's expansion plan is impressive. If you have a decent Marriott trader you can go to so many great resorts. Almost all Marriotts have great locations, either right on the nicest beach or very close to the main attractions in the area. While their amenties may not be of Four Seasons luxury, it's prettty close, especially the newer resorts.

So you have a great network of resorts, most in the very best spot, with units that are above average. To me that adds up to the best overall program.

Regards.
Joe
 
MOXJO7282 said:
Marriott's expansion plan is impressive. If you have a decent Marriott trader you can go to so many great resorts. Almost all Marriotts have great locations, either right on the nicest beach or very close to the main attractions in the area. While their amenties may not be of Four Seasons luxury, it's prettty close, especially the newer resorts.

So you have a great network of resorts, most in the very best spot, with units that are above average. To me that adds up to the best overall program.

Regards.
Joe

I agree with most of what Joe has to say, however a lot depends on your budget.
To buy the top demanded resorts and weeks in Marriott youre looking at $25K or much much more.
 
We own both Hilton and Marriott. Each has it's strength's and weaknesses.

Hilton's reservation stytem is extremely flexible with points based reservations. You purchase a week but each week is assigned a points value. A 2 bedroom Platinum season is 7,000 points, a two bedroom gold season is 5,000 points, a one bedroom platinum season is 4,800 points and so on. The points can be spent on reservations. You may reserve as few as (I think) 2 nights up to 7 nights or longer depending on how many points you own and what season you're staying in (Plat. season staying in silver season could be longer than a week's stay). These points can also be used to purchase nights at Hilton hotels, Cruises, RV rentals and exchanges through RCI.

On the down side, Hilton doesn't build many of it's own resorts. It has a lot of affiliate resorts that those owners must pay an addtional fee to get into the Hilton system (as I understand it at least). So while a resort might be listed, all the units in that resort may not be available the HGVC members. Hilton is also somewhat limited in it's foriegn affiliates. Ireland (new), Scotland and Mexico are the only foriegn affiliates that come to mind right now.

Hilton tends to continue to overdevelope certain area's where sales are very strong. Las Vegas, Orlando and Hawaii are the main area's of building new Hilton built resorts.

Marriott has a weeks based exchange system that tends to be less flexible. For internal exchanges you go through the Marriott desk at Interval International. It's a week for week exchange system with internal exchanges costing you $89 rather than the regular exchange fee from I.I. ($129?)
While it's true you can lock off most Marriott's (but not all), it is still a week for week exchange.

Marriott is more limited in usage as you can only split weeks in two, not individual days. You can split a week and stay 4 week nights one time and then 3 weekend nights at a later date. Of course there is a charge to do this.

You many lock of many (but not all) Marriott units and stay one week in one half (master suite) and another week in the lock-off unit (studio unit) to get two weeks vacation. Of course, you can utilize Hilton points to do something similar as well.

Marriott's advantage is the locations they have and that nearly all are Marriott built properties. Marriott set's a very high standard for their resorts and you can almost bet any Marriott resort you stay in will be one of the top resorts in that area. They have far more locations that Hilton and at the rate Marriott is building, Hilton will never be able to catch up.

Both Hilton and Marriott trade extremely well within there respective exchange companies. Both exercise right of first refusal on resales keeping resale prices higher than most timeshares. Both are some of the highest quality resorts in any area.

As pointed out Marriott's MF's are higher than Hiltons for most, but not all properties. There are some Marriott's that are bargains as far as MF's are concerned.

Both Marriott and Hilton allow you to exchange your timeshare points for their respective hotel award points program. With Hilton you automatically become a Silver Elite member in the HHonors program. With Marriott you do not. With Marriott, if you have the Chase Marriott Rewards credit card you become a Silver member of the Marriott Rewards program.

With that in mind, we own two Marriott's and one Hilton. We own the Marriott's because we enjoy their resorts more than the Hilton's and there are more choices in the Marriott resort family. We also feel their resorts are just a little nicer (but not by much). If you were to purchase either I don't feel you could go wrong. It just depends on which system fits your personal needs the most.
 
I think it depends on your travel plans. Marriott has more locations, however Hilton tends to have an easier reservation system. Hilton allows nightly booking (2-3 night minimum) whereas Marriott requires a full week. You must decide where you want to travel to and how flexible your schedule is before making your decission.
 
Re: Marriott get the edge

I own both and would choose Marriott over HGVC simply on locations(although no on has beat the Flaming for location). Marriott has a much greater variety. Also,They are probably a bit less on the resale market .

This is not a put down on HGVC, they are great.

If you buy resale, you can have both and still have a nice chunk of change over the developer price.
 
You can get Marriott Reward points if you buy through Marriott. You can still buy a resale, but it is not as cheap as buying direct. I use my Marriott soley for points, plane tickets and nice hotels like Paris Champ de ... It has been a great value, but it is a risk because they could devalue the program in the future. I use my other weeks to stay at a Marriott. I think I have better luck in trading in with my other weeks when I call the Marriott desk directly.
 
Wow, what great input from everyone! It sounds like we can't go wrong with either one really. We definitely are purchasing resale. That was the first thing we learned from reading the forums. I like the idea of owning both although, we probably should start with one and make sure it works for us. Does anyone have any ideas on which Marriott properties offer better trades or does it just depend on the time of year you own? I know HGVC trades from season of points. We have 2 teenage boys so we will be traveling during peak season when they are out of school.
 
Points are points with Hilton, unless you are going to reserve your home resort, for your home season, for your sized unit for a Saturday check in. If you are buying a Hilton, you should look at your budget and either buy a 5000 point or 7000 point unit. For Marriott, trade power is one factor, but price is another. You need to determine how much money you want to spend, where you want to travel to and how flexible your dates are. You can find a Marriott that meets your needs for as low as $6000 or as high as $60,000.
 
Seth Nock said:
You can find a Marriott that meets your needs for as low as $6000 or as high as $60,000.


$60,000 for resale? YIKES!:eek:

That's gotta be one really nice TS. Which one is it Seth?

Rick
 
I have been searching for a week 7 at Mountainside for the past couple of months. Noticed two that sold earlier this year in the mid to upper 40's. Found one for 53k but passed on it. At 60, almost doesn't make sense to buy resale rather than from Marriott. I believe there are also a couple of Mountainside weeks 51/ 52 listed on myresortnetwork.com that have been sitting there for a while in the upper 50s without selling.
 
I have timeshares trade in both RCI and II. I definitely like II inventory much better. I am a happy Marriott owners. As many said here, very nice location, and very nice resources. As long as you don't spend too much on resale, you will definitely come out ahead with what you get from Marriott ownership.
 
For the most part--they are in very different locations.

Have you sat down with a list of the locations for each and thought about which locations you prefer? That might really help you decide!

Good luck.
 
What would be your goals for exchanging?

I think most people would be satisfied with a week that would trade into Marriotts and not pay the Marriott prices. For example, if you really want to go to Orlando and stay at Marriotts, you can do that with a week that you can pick up on ebay for $500, and with low MF's. Orlando Marriott weeks are super easy to get with any decent week.

I wouldn't pay a lot of money to go to Orlando. Hawaii is another thing altogether. If you want Marriott quality on the islands, then I would buy Marriott. Of course, there are other nice resorts in Hawaii as well.

If I had my choice, I would buy lots of HGVC points at the cheapest possible price, resale of course, because you can get to Hawaii with those points. So many people buy Hawaii points for high prices when the Orlando points will get you there.
 
We are former HGVC and Marriott members. We owned a Marriott Orlando week and were very frustrated trying to trade into other Marriotts. HGVC was much more flexible. We enjoyed HGVC very much but sold because we no longer were going to vacation in Florida often. Would only purchase Marriott again if I could afford to buy at the resort I most wanted to stay at.
 
Well, we opted for HGVC. Marriott just seemed to be slightly higher in price and in buying resale you lost the hotel trade factor (or conversion to hotel points). I still wasn't 100% sure we made the right decision but the last two posts really helped ease my mind. I think flexibility is really going to be important for us so now I'm just that much more excited to close on the property. Thanks to all!
 
Thanks for the update. :)

I always appreciate when someone tells the "end of the story" after their original post.

I am sure you will enjoy HGVC.

Rick
 
Be sure to buy a non-hawaii HGVC location. The prices for HGVC in Hawaii are about twice the price of the non hawaii locations (except the Bay Club). The Hawaii locations give you a three month head start window for reserving Hawaii from 12 - 9 months before check-in, then any HGVC owner can reserve in Hawaii. Paying twice as much for that small head start window just doesn't make sense to me.

Generally the best price for HGVC points are from the HGVC-vegas or HGVC seaworld.

Good Luck
 
We are buying HGVC on International Drive. We felt the same way you do on the Hawaii prices. They are just too high unless you plan on going there every year, which we don't. Thanks for the great advice.
 
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