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[ 2006 ] Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Dani

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Hi,

Is it just me? I understand why some people choose to use "private listings" bidding on ebay, but it seems to me that this type of bidding may lead to a lot of shill bidding. For instance, there is a resort that I am interested in and I have been looking at weeks for awhile now. I was watching a recent auction that was a private listing and the bidding seems suspect at best. The very same resort just a few days ago had several bids on an open listing and sold for about $1,100 less than the same unit/season today.

What I found strange is that the bid was driven up high way too early. The bid price even a few days ago exceeded the purchase price of the other unit. What protections does ebay have in place if any to protect us against shill bidding with respect to these types of auctions?
 
Re: Anyone Else leary about "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

It keeps our auction ID's from unscrupulous, phony "second-chance" offers.

I bid on a DVC that Seth Nock had listed. I did not win the auction, but I received a second-chance offer and it was not legitimate. Seth Nock had not sent it.
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Hi Dani,

Yes, I really dislike the private bidding on Ebay. In fact, I won't bid on any auction that has it...even if it's for a resort I'm extremely interested in. There is so much shill bidding on Ebay it's ridiculous...but at least it's somewhat transparent if you can see who the bidders are.

With private listings, there is no way to tell who is bidding or what the situation is. There is no way to even guess...so you can't be an educated buyer. I decided some time ago to just ignore these private auctions.

Steve
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I won't bid on them either.
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I don't like private bidders either and think they help coverup shill bidding.

I bid on one once and was quickly outbid for much more than I was willing to pay. After the auction had ended I got a note from the seller that the winner fell through and I was the second highest bidder, was I interested? Yah, right. I'm sure the "winning bidder" went over thousands higher than my bid!

You might try contacting the seller, several times, to get a feel for him/her.
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Okay...so it's not just me. I too as a matter of principal, refused to bid on the auction in question. Something just did not seem right.
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I won't bid on private auctions either. However, in a public auction if you suspect shill bidding, turn them in to ebay and if proven, ebay will bounce them off the site. Funtime
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I love them because I don't get all the trash emails afterward. Come on people most of you know how much you are going to pay for a timeshare before you even start bidding. :wave:
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I don't mind private bidding. I think there is planned price management on many ebay auctions. To think most do not use some price management is naive.

I set my max price on a snipe service and then forget it.

Short
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

debraxh said:
I bid on one once and was quickly outbid for much more than I was willing to pay. After the auction had ended I got a note from the seller that the winner fell through and I was the second highest bidder, was I interested?

I have had the same thing happen and because of it will never bid again on an auction where I can not see the ID of those bidding against me.

GEORGE
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Just report that as Shill activity.

It's the only way to prevent bogus 2nd chance offers
 
Re: Private Bidding Is Just Fine

As an ebay seller for the past 6 years, private bidding is a fact of life on ebay. It protects the bidder, as well as the seller. The seller is protected from other sellers trying to intefere with their auctions. Ebay has software in place to fight shill bidding. It works very, very well.

Your failure to place a bid is your loss, and another buyer's savings are increased.
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Interesting -- I don't use pirvate bidding when I list non-timeshare items on eBay, but I recently used it for the first time, for a last-minute timeshare rental. My reasoning was that people might not want to advertise the fact that they would be away from home on specific dates, since that might invite thieves.

Now I'm wondering if having the IDs be private was a mistake. Any thoughts?
 
Re: Private Bidding Is Just Fine

cherokee_villager said:
As an ebay seller for the past 6 years, private bidding is a fact of life on ebay. It protects the bidder, as well as the seller. The seller is protected from other sellers trying to intefere with their auctions. Ebay has software in place to fight shill bidding. It works very, very well.

Your failure to place a bid is your loss, and another buyer's savings are increased.

I understand why some people do this and they have reason to. However, I really do think that shill bidding is more rampant with this type of bidding. As for ebay's software being able to catch shill bidding, if it works anything like the software that they use to catch shill bidding on regular biddings, I wouldn't hold my breath. Tuggers have caught more shill bidders themselves.

As for losing out...perhaps. Then again, you can refuse to play along with a suspected shill bidder and wait for a legitimate auction. I did and got the same week a for $800 less, a mere six days later.
 
Re: Private Bidding Is Just Fine

cherokee_villager said:
Your failure to place a bid is your loss

That is your opinion. Mine is that I still have my money in my pocket and that there is always another opportunity to buy most anything. I just don't want to give up knowing who all the bids are from, one person, two persons or ten persons. I want to know when they bid so as to be able to anticipate snipes. I want to know how experienced my competition is, etc.

Just my opinion!

GEORGE
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

Hi:

I have been selling timeshares and real estate on eBay since 1998.

We used to HATE the private auctions as sellers for the same reasons that most buyer/bidders have expressed here...

Bogus bidding and shill bidding by inexperienced or scumbag sellers.

The past 2 1/2 years have changed that with the Nigerian Scams, phishing for ID Theft and bogus second chance offers.

PLUS we still have to deal with scumbag sellers who try to contact our bidders - buyers and offer product for less money.

My policy is to share the bid history with any legit bidder and especially any winning high bidder if they ask for it.

We are licensed auctioneers and have nothing to hide with only one bidder asking about the bid list... ever...

If one of our sellers tries to bid on their own item I will remove the bid and/or cancell the auction letting them know this is a violation of Federal Law under the UCC.

The bottom line is, we only have private auctions to protect the integrity of the auction and to protect our bidders from scumbag ripoff artists.

We advertise that we do not own the property being sold and are acting as auctioneers and put our e-mail adress and phone number in every auction...

Just my two cents worth
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

JudyS said:
Interesting -- I don't use pirvate bidding when I list non-timeshare items on eBay, but I recently used it for the first time, for a last-minute timeshare rental. My reasoning was that people might not want to advertise the fact that they would be away from home on specific dates, since that might invite thieves.

Now I'm wondering if having the IDs be private was a mistake. Any thoughts?

Judy,

I do think having a private auction was a mistake. Opinions vary...but as you can see from this thread...a large number of people (including myself) will not bid on private auctions. So, by having it as a private auction, you have reduced the pool of potential bidders. That fact alone possibly reduced the amount you recieved for your week.

As for people not wanting to advertise that they are going to be away from home, I'm not sure how that relates to an Ebay auction. I would never put a sign in my yard saying "I'll be out of town on a timeshare vacation from July 7 through the 14th". But it's a bit different with an online auction. No one looking at or bidding on the Ebay auction knows my full name or street address from my user ID. So they would never know who it is who won the auction and will be going to be out of town on that specific week.

Steve
 
Re: Anyone Else Dislike "Private Listing" Bidding on Ebay?

I can understand why someone would 'hesitate' to bid on a private auction. Just the word 'private' makes it seem a bit mysterious - like you're sneaking in on something private.

Having said that, I REALLY understand why a seller would open a private auction - to protect himself from other sellers! If another seller had a similar (or EXACT) match of what the auction seller had to offer, then what really stops 'other' potential sellers from contacting the second highest bidder (and third and fourth .....) and telling them they could buy from them at such-n-such a price. That keeps the selling price from going higher (removing the competition keeps the bidding from continuing).

That type of behavior can certainly keep the prices down for a buyer - but it seems vastly unfair to the sellers.

Now enter the shill bidding dilemma. If you are concerned about shill bidding then bid ONLY the price you feel is right for you. The shill bidder can't force you to pay more than you are willing to pay. And if the seller contacts you about 'second chance' (because indeed there was shill bidding OR the winning bidding DID actually drop the ball) then the whole thing is in your court. Go ahead and negotiate with the seller. Tell him/her you're only willing to pay the amount you bid before going back and forth with the winning (but now defaulting) bidder in the auction. Or you've lost interest. Or whatever. Hey, I'd like to be in this position - no pressure and I'm the one calling the shots! I can walk away with no negative feedback!

I believe there are legitimate private auction sellers out there - just as there is shill bidding going on in the 'regular' auctions. Don't be afraid to contact the seller and ask LOTS of questions - both about the item they have for sale and why they are running a private auction. Weigh all the answers you get from them. If you really have interest in the property they are offering, this won't be 'work' to you - but research. You should do this with regular auctions too.

And there is also that risk with a regular auction that bidders will start contacting each other during the auction and thus grind it to a halt! Not good for sellers and overall not good for ebay in the long run.

It could be that one bidder may contact another bidder and tell them what their top price is. Something like, 'hey, if you're going to keep outbidding me, just tell me what your top price is and if it's higher than mine I'll just stop.' If the other bidder says they are going to go higher, then the first bidder might just drop out before they reach their 'top price' and the seller doesn't get 'true auction price' for his item. That can't happen with a private auction.

As buyers we all want the least price and as sellers we all want top price. It's funny that we act (and look at this) differently - depending on which side of the transaction we're going to be on.

And, as always, it is your right (and even your responsibility) to pick and choose the auctions you bid on. If a private auction makes you nervous stay away. Some people stay away from auctions when a seller has very little feedback (depending on the pricetag, I do that myself). There's that catch-22 thing going on. Hard to get feedback if you can't sell anything because no one will bid on your auctions because you have low (not bad) feedback. A seller who has lots of feedback might have only feedback from being a buyer. What do you do then? (grinning)
 
A shill can cost you money, even if you don't bid dumb...

Teresa said:
... If you are concerned about shill bidding then bid ONLY the price you feel is right for you. The shill bidder can't force you to pay more than you are willing to pay.....

When bidding on an eBay item, I decide the highest price that I'm willing to pay early on and then snipe that amount in the last minute if it's still in my price range. Using this method avoids getting carried away, and I've occasionally won items for a lot less :D than the max that I was willing to pay.

You are correct that a shill can't force me to pay more than I'm willing to pay, but he can make me pay more than I would've had to if he wasn't there :annoyed:. In an honest auction I can win the item for one increment over what the second highest legitimate bidder (someone who'd actually buy the item if he/she won) bids.

Ted
 
Hi
E-bay private listing is a bunch of bull, the sellers keep bumping up the prices them selves to get more money
Its just crap. Auctions should be between all the legit users only and another thing the postage bumping how crap I did my own research and its another scam. I live in western australia when in buy stuff from other states it costs arm and leg to get it here. Lawnmower it costs 299 dollars and delivery 240 how is that works? Its all a scam.
 
Hi pawel - The nice thing about timeshares is that we don't have to mow the lawn....

The nice thing about buying a timeshare on ebay, is that there is no shipping....
 
Hi
E-bay private listing is a bunch of bull, the sellers keep bumping up the prices them selves to get more money
Its just crap. Auctions should be between all the legit users only and another thing the postage bumping how crap I did my own research and its another scam. I live in western australia when in buy stuff from other states it costs arm and leg to get it here. Lawnmower it costs 299 dollars and delivery 240 how is that works? Its all a scam.

You resurrected a thread that's been dead for eight years for THAT?
 
You resurrected a thread that's been dead for eight years for THAT?

My Spidey Senses tell me that he or his buddy are going to come back with a recommendation for us about a "better" auction site.... ;)
 
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