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Baseball rules expert?

Bruce W

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Wondering why last nights' Yankee/Oriole game was suspended in the middle of the 8th inning because of rain. I always thought that if it was an official game, it would revert to the score as of the end of the last full inning and be called.

(obviously, I am not a Yankee fan!!!!)
 
My husband the baseball fanatic, said they changed the rule this year. Games rained out after the 5th inning must be resumed and played out. Before that, the game has to be re-played.
 
why was Yankeees Orioles game called?

My husband the baseball fanatic, said they changed the rule this year. Games rained out after the 5th inning must be resumed and played out. Before that, the game has to be re-played.

No, the reason the game was a "suspended game" was due to Rule 4.12 (a) 5- a game is considered suspended if it is called while the inning is in progress, (it was), before the inning was completed(it was not completed), and the visiting team scored to take the lead(they did) and the home team had not retaken the lead( they hadn't). This rule was changed in 1980, not last year.
Before 1980, if the game was called in the middle of an inning, the score would revert to what it was BEFORE the inning started. In that case, the score would have been 6-4, Orioles, and they would have been declared the winner, regardless of how many runs the Yanks scored in their half of the inning.
Games rained out after the fifth inning ARE NOT automatically resumed and played out at a later date. If the 8th inning would have been completed, and the rains kept play from continuing, then the team with the lead would have won the game. The key to applying these rules is "what is the latest inning completed?", OR was the game called due to rain in the middle of an inning?

An interesting application of this "5 inning rule" came back to bite my Cleveland Indians in the rear this spring. The Tribe was leading 4-0, over the Seattle Mariners in the top of the 5th inning, 2 outs and 2 strikes. It had been raining on and off, a generally miserable day in Cleveland. One more strike, and the game becomes an official game. The manager of the Mariners, strolls slowly to the home plate umpire to complain that his hitter could not longer see the ball due to the rain. So the ump calls the game, and the game is wiped out. Boy, were we fans in Cleveland Po'd. Why didn't Hargrove complain at the beginning of the inning? Oh well, gamemanship at its finest.
 
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It wasn't raining - it was snowing.

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Hargrove's gamesmanship aside, picking up a white baseball coming at your head at 90 mph from 55 feet away (well, 80 mph isince Byrd was pitching) in the middle of a snowstorm is difficult.

I have to believe that a prime reason why Hargrove won the argument is because the homeplate umpire himself was having a hard time calling balls and strikes.
 
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As Yogi Berra Explained . . .

Oh well, gamemanship at its finest.
. . . 50 percent of this game is half mental.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 
. . . 50 percent of this game is half mental.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

Yogi Berra:

"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left.""
 
baseball rules question

It wasn't raining - it was snowing.

2003655475.jpg


Hargrove's gamesmanship aside, picking up a white baseball coming at your head at 90 mph from 55 feet away (well, 80 mph isince Byrd was pitching) in the middle of a snowstorm is difficult.

I have to believe that a prime reason why Hargrove won the argument is because the homeplate umpire himself was having a hard time calling balls and strikes.

You are correct- it was snowing. HOwever, it was snowing like this the ENTIRE INNING. So, why didn't Hargrove go out when there were no outs and no strikes on the first batter of the inning? Was the first batter a stiff who Hargrove wouldn't mind getting hit in the head with a 90mph fastball? It also started snowing like this in the top of the 4th inning. Where was Mike Hargrove then? The mound is 60 feet away. The umpires had no problems letting the game go on at this time, so Mikey was the prime mover, and the snow was a convenient "out.", IMHO.
 
You are correct- it was snowing. HOwever, it was snowing like this the ENTIRE INNING. So, why didn't Hargrove go out when there were no outs and no strikes on the first batter of the inning? Was the first batter a stiff who Hargrove wouldn't mind getting hit in the head with a 90mph fastball? It also started snowing like this in the top of the 4th inning. Where was Mike Hargrove then? The mound is 60 feet away. The umpires had no problems letting the game go on at this time, so Mikey was the prime mover, and the snow was a convenient "out.", IMHO.

As I said, I was setting aside "gamesmanship".

First I agree that the umpires could (should) have called the game earlier. But they didn't. Their attitude apparently was to let the game go on as long as the teams were willing to play.

As for why Hargrove made the fuss when he did - well, it's pretty obvious that as long as the Mariners had a chance of getting the lead he was going to let the inning continue. But when Lopez got to two strikes - and one more strike would have put the game in the books as a loss, he decided to move then instead of later.

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... and facing Byrd the fastball in the head wasn't that much of a concern. :D
 
Maybe Hargrove quit today because he felt bad about setting aside his "gamesmanship" back in April. ;)
 
Nitpick: 60 feet 6 inches

The rubber is 60 feet, 6 inches from home plate. The actual delivery point is typically 55 feet (and can be closer to 50 feet for a tall pitcher who has full extension in his delivery).
 
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