II Implemented a Points System?

Starting tonight, for searches using the Worldmark Float week, I am seeing points listed next to each of the weeks pulled: 0.75 points, 1 point, 1.42 points, 2 points, 2.42 points, etc. Are owners of other point systems seeing that also, or should I be posting in the Wyndham forum below?

Searches using deposited weeks had no change in the listing of weeks pulled and do not have points listed for those weeks.

As a Sunterra points member I have seen points for several years now when I do an II search. However ours are in the thousands (eg 5500, 6500 etc).

Kitty

KforKitty said:

As a Sunterra points member I have seen points for several years now when I do an II search. However ours are in the thousands (eg 5500, 6500 etc).

Kitty

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Are those the same number of points that Sunterra charges you? Is this just on Request First, or do you deposit points too?

I just did a worldmark search and see no points mentioned. Can you copy a screen shot?

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I also noted that my search didn't ask me to choose a unit size. Usually I'm asked to pick the unit size from a drop down box before seeing the search results.

The points posted also seem to make no sense: 1 point for a studio or 2 BR but only 0.75 points for a 1 BR. You may need to call II and get the 411. _- Suzanne

Something is wrong... or right...

I called II on Sunday and reported the missing selection "3 BR, 2 BR, 1 BR, Studio" - it was missing and I could not get ANY thing to match ANY search.

Just a minute ago I did the same search from Sunday and I do get matches - still no selection for the size of WM put up.

Did II just decide to put in the 3 BR unit? I'm assuming so or it's just a typical II programming screw up.

If I go further I do get the Point structure of 2 pts, 1.42 pts and I believe you are seeing the Trading Power of a unit - a major major screw up by II.

So what else is new?

P.S.

If I were you guys, since I'm going to do this myself, I'm going to note the Trading Power of many units out there.

P.P.S.

***** II Trading Power Defined *******

Red Season: (Highest demand)
Studio=1 Point
1BR=1.42 Points
2BR=2 Points
3BR=2.42 Points
4BR=2.42 Points (?)

Yellow Season (Medium demand)
Studio=.75 Points
1BR=1 Points
2BR=1.42 Points
3BR=2 Points

Green Season: (Lowest demand)
Studio=.5 Points
1BR=.75 Points
2BR= 1 Points
3BR=1.42 Points
4BR=2 Points

Copyright (C) Perry Myklebost, permission is given to TUG to reprint.


Is this all Trading Power is? What the heck is 1.42 a fraction of? The square root of 2?

Is this what all the secrecy is all about? I'm guessing that the Red, Yellow, and Green are different than published by II, but I'll investigate further.

I don't know about you but this has been a red letter day for me. (Well red, yellow, and green)

And I want to pay a special thanks to the programmers at II - well done!

P.S.
After July 20, 2007 this post is "frozen" - I can't keep it updated. If new figures appear I'll start a new thread.

rhonda said:

I also noted that my search didn't ask me to choose a unit size. Usually I'm asked to pick the unit size from a drop down box before seeing the search results.

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.........As a result the Relinquishment Information just lists Worldmark the Club, or Worldmark the Club - 2007 (Points) instead of the previous size and season info.

PerryM said:

I called II on Sunday and reported the missing selection "3 BR, 2 BR, 1 BR, Studio" - it was missing and I could not get ANY thing to match ANY search.

Just a minute ago I did the same search from Sunday and I do get matches - still no selection for the size of WM put up.

Did II just decide to put in the 3 BR unit? I'm assuming so or it's just a typical II programming screw up.

If I go further I do get the Point structure of 2 pts, 1.42 pts and I believe you are seeing the Trading Power of a unit - a major major screw up by II.

So what else is new?

P.S.

If I were you guys, since I'm going to do this myself, I'm going to note the Trading Power of many units out there.

P.P.S.

***** II Trading Power Defined *******

Red Season: (Highest demand)
Studio=1 Point
1BR=1.42 Points
2BR=2 Points
3BR=2.42 Points
4BR=2.42 Points (?)

Yellow Season (Medium demand)
Studio=.75 Points
1BR=1 Points
2BR=1.42 Points
3BR=2 Points

Green Season: (Lowest demand)
Studio=.5 Points
1BR=.75 Points
2BR= 1 Points
3BR=1.42 Points

Copyright (C) Perry Myklebost, permission is given to TUG to reprint.


Is this all Trading Power is? What the heck is 1.42 a fraction of? The square root of 2?

Is this what all the secrecy is all about? I'm guessing that the Red, Yellow, and Green are different than published by II, but I'll investigate further.

I don't know about you but this has been a red letter day for me. (Well red, yellow, and green)

And I want to pay a special thanks to the programmers at II - well done!

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They listened to your complaint about the insanity of us using a 3BR to pull a 1BR and getting charged only for the 1BR!

This is giving us a window into the trade power of weeks out there, just like RCI's and Redweek's point systems. My question is: what points are WM owners going to get charged? Size and Season (as we are now), or somehow related to the points listed by II?

No changes using Worldmark to search on my II account. Still the same as it has been.

gmarine said:

No changes using Worldmark to search on my II account. Still the same as it has been.

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I am still seeing (on the Float week) no size asked, and points listed on the weeks pulled.

LLW said:

They listened to your complaint about the insanity of us using a 3BR to pull a 1BR and getting charged only for the 1BR!

This is giving us a window into the trade power of weeks out there, just like RCI's and Redweek's point systems. My question is: what points are WM owners going to get charged? Size and Season (as we are now), or somehow related to the points listed by II?

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The arrangement between II and WorldMark is a written contract - I've not disclosed anything confidential that either side didn't already agree to.

I think this colossal screw up by II is in reaction to the colossal screw up of removing the WM size choice which never made any sense to begin with.

I doubt that anything has happened to WM owners except a couple of programmer screw ups that will be fixed at some point. II still has 1+ year old bugs that they haven't fixed so I don't know how long this will take to fix.

Now if, in the mean time, the WM owners suffer injury due to II's incompetence well that's when the lawyers start to get excited.

Using my account I still have the option of entering the size WM unit to search with.

They are ALL points systems

You have to realize all exchange systems - except for those that take in anything and allow you to take out anything - are based on points systems. The only difference is are you as the customer privy to the point (trade) value or is it hidden? Until the past decade most systems used hidden values but the rise of the mini-systems with the points out in the open has created a demand for all systems to open up the values. So far RCI Weeks and II have not but the trend is clear. Developers HATE when the values are exposed as that shows the majority of time they need to sell (non-summer, non-holiday - general off season times) doesn't hold much value to anyone. They prefer the smoke and mirrors of "trade anywhere" that hidden values foster. Give the suckers - er, customers hope of a great trade with that mud week and they're happy. AT least until the rescind period runs out. After that what timeshare company could care?

Those who are so set against points based exchange systems are basically trying to keep the values hidden to serve their own purposes. It helps to hoodwink the lower value owner and allows the high value times to get a subsidy. (Same fees for summer beach and January weeks - are you kidding?)
But they don't want you to realize that behind the scenes nearly every exchange is points based.

Perry,

You may add:

Green Season: (Lowest demand)
4BR=2 Points

Example: Port Trinitie (PTY), Nov-30 arrival.

Other observations:

The point values do NOT follow the resort's specified seasons. Several Orlando resorts marked "Red 1-52" show lower point values for Sept 15th arrivals than the same unit one day later. Example:

Blue Tree Resort at Lake Buena Vista • BLT
Orlando, FL, USA
Red 1-52

Sep 15 2007 - Sep 22 2007, 2BR -> 1 Point
Sep 16 2007 - Sep 23 2007, 2BR -> 2 Points

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Quality may also play a factor. Example:

Celebrity Resorts Orlando - Spas • SPA
Red 1-52

Aug 24 2007 - Aug 31 2007, 3BR -> 1 Point

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EDITED TO ADD:
More exploring on the published seasons ...

• HI appears to have seasons. MMO studio for July is 0.5 points while KAH studio in December is 1.0.
• San Diego, even for inland properties, enjoys "Red year round" status. Lots of data for various LW codes, SD Country Estates and Riviera Oaks.

I don't know what they have displayed but I can tell you it is not what they use to measure comparable exchange. That is unless they have changed something dramatically from when I was there.

Could it be the given points at that time for demand of that time? That would make the points change during different times of the day? Say every 4 hours the demand changes therefore the point values change? Just a thought.

I had the same problem this weekend -- NO results at all when I searched Worldmark for any destination, any date. I wrote to II customer service and they said they were working on it.

The problem is corrected today, and is back to "normal" -- I see the selection for unit size first, then the usual results. I don't see the points values mentioned above.

It IS back to normal! Can no longer see the points! Darn! I saw them late morning this morning.

We saw something....flying saucers maybe?

Well WorldMark searches are back to normal and the Points are now gone.

I believe we saw Trading Power - at least how programmers see it. Sadly I had work to do and could only spend 15 minutes looking at what those Points meant - space aliens maybe?

I'm going to leave my analysis out here and available for others to ponder.

Funny how fast II fixed the problem...

Looks like the points are now gone. It's back to the float 1,2 or 3 bedroom.

luv_maui said:

Looks like the points are now gone. It's back to the float 1,2 or 3 bedroom.

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Yes. I saw the points for a little bit, and then went away and looked again and the old float info. was put back int there. My 1 BR 'replacement week' was worth .75 points...

PerryM said:

Well WorldMark searches are back to normal and the Points are now gone.

I believe we saw Trading Power - at least how programmers see it. Sadly I had work to do and could only spend 15 minutes looking at what those Points meant - space aliens maybe?

I'm going to leave my analysis out here and available for others to ponder.

Funny how fast II fixed the problem...

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I think this provides insights into how exchange companies implement trading power. So, the theory of dynamic trading values in a weeks' exchange company is probably more wishful thinking than anything else. At the end of the day, a number needs to be assigned and the assignment process, no matter what it is, is subject to lots of problems.