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I'm interested in buying Pahio KBV and have some questions:

1. Does the Pahio chain consist only of the four properties in Kauai?
2. Is there a private exchange among those properties?
3. Can you book online, or do you have to call?
4. Since Wyndham now owns Pahio, can you trade into any group owned by Wyndham, such as Worldmark? If so, which one(s)?
5. Does Pahio trade with RCI or II?

Thanks for your help.
 
1. PAHIO is only on the islands, but now PAHIO is part of Wyndham, though I don't get the relationship at all, even though I have heard the explanations from both Wyndham and PAHIO. :confused:

2. Not that I know of, as an owner that bought resale. Maybe those who bought from the developer have a benefit we don't have?????

3. You can send them an email or fax a request for a particular week.

4. I think you have to be in the points system to do any trades within Wyndham/ Fairfield, which requires an addtional developer purchase, or you can buy points on eBay cheap.

5. PAHIO trades with RCI, which is where the priority of ownership really kicks in. We own a one bedroom Bali Hai and have been able to book into the Shearwater with it at one year out, when the bulk banks occur. We have been very pleased with our trade power with our one bedroom, that is for sure. :D

The KBV property looks very nice. We stopped to see it last year, during our stay at Shearwater. I noticed that buildings F, G and H have the best ocean views of the bunch, but F is not nearly as good as G and H.

The landscaping is sparse around KBV, so compared to the other three properties, it really didn't seem as tropical to me. But we didn't see the units' interiors. Someone very dear to this website (with the initials BB:p ) didn't like any of the PAHIO properties and thought KBV was the worst of them. I love all of the PAHIO's. I think David Walters did a great job. Now he sold out to Wyndham. I am pretty disappointed in that decision, and I am most definitely disappointed that he continues to exercise his supposed ROFR on all purchases, even though he has no such clause in the contract, before July of 2005. I am always battling with whatever closing company I am using to buy one of the properties. I write my letter and wait months for any news from Walters. It is a ridiculous.

If there is one thing I want to see with the PAHIO properties is a commitment to bringing the old decor up to the standards of the newer units. As much money as they get from owners, it is ridiculous that exchangers have units with broken stoves, noisy dishwashers, and uncomfortable sofabeds. The older units need to be updated constantly. :(
 
If you own at a Pahio resort and you haven't added the resort to Fairshare, you can only reserve at your own resort. To get to another Pahio resort you have to go through an exchange company. There is an exchange preference withiin RCI for Pahio owners trading to other Pahio resorts. Also when trading among Pahio resorts within RCI the Pahio 1-in-4 rule doesn't apply.

If you have added the Pahio resort to Fairshare, then it works like any other Wyndham property. Reserve at your own resort or book any other available resort in the entire Wyndham system (including Pahio properties) using your Wyndham points.
 
linsj said:
4. Since Wyndham now owns Pahio, can you trade into any group owned by Wyndham, such as Worldmark? If so, which one(s)?

Thanks for your help.
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There are 2 different TS companies with the name wyndham. There is Wyndham/Fairfield and there is Worldmark/Trendwest. Although they share a few resorts there isn't alot of overlap between the 2 TS companies.

Wyndham/Fairfield is changing the name of all their resorts to Wyndham from Fairfield and they bought the Pahio chain. When you buy a Fairfield/Wyndham/Pahio resort. You are buying into one resort. Sometimes that ownership will include Fairshare points (FSP) ( which can be used at the other FF resorts) and sometimes not ( most ownerships at the Pahio do not include FSP). So you must be very carefull when you buy a Fairfield/Wyndham/Pahio resort, because to join FSP (if you buy a ownership without it) can be a significant cost ( likely many times what you paid for the TS).

Worldmark/Trendwest/ Wyndham is only changing the name of the developer from Trendwest to Wyndham. The resorts will continue to be called Worldmark.
When you buy into worldmark, you're buying a point based membership to all worldmark resorts. And have the same rights to reserve any resorts as any other member. Basically, all Worldmark memberships are the same ( with a few exceptions) so get the best price you can.
 
linsj said:
I'm interested in buying Pahio KBV and have some questions:

Thanks for your help.
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You may find this thread helpful: http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/search.php?searchid=955602

A couple of things to know:

The 2008 MFs at KBV include a 14% increase over 2007. This is in part to cover the things mentioned in my linked post above. The new swimming pool that will be constructed in 2008 sounds great, and hopefully will bring the resort up a notch or two in the ratings.

The unit you purchase can make a difference. You'll want to check before you buy, because even though these are floating units, the type of unit and relative location will remain the same. If you want to be guaranteed an oceanfront unit, be sure you buy oceanfront.

The KBV has oceanfront units, ocean view units, Lagoon View, and Garden View units. Some 2br/2ba are oceanfront or ocean view, and some are Lagoon View. Some 1br/2ba units are oceanfront, some are ocean view, and some are Lagoon View. All 1br/1ba units are Garden View. "Garden View" is the parking lot. I don't know if there are any Garden View 1br/2ba or 2br/2ba units.

Rooms are assigned at check-in, and owners can request oceanfront at that time. If available, the resort will try to accommodate them. It's unlikely exchangers will get the oceanfront rooms, since the resort tries to give them to owners. Room size can be upgraded at check-in, if available, for a fee. A 2br upgrade costs about $30 per night.

Look over a resort map, if you can. Buildings A, B, C, D, and E are clustered around the lagoon, wihch is where the new pool will be. Buildings G and H are direct oceanfront, parallel to the beach. Building F sits at an angle, with its ocean view partially blocked by building G. So some rooms in building F have better views than others. Due to the resort's beachfront location, none of the KBV rooms should be considered "bad," but some are just a little better view than others. Purchase with care.

Hope this helps.

Good luck,
Dave
 
Aloha linsj,
We've been owners at KBV for nine years. We've stayed there every year starting in 2000. Not everyone on tug likes the place but we do.
Units are titled by interval control number, week number, and ev(en), od(d) or eo(annual - go figure). 1bd/2bth and 2bd/2bth in buildings F, G, & H (H only has 2b/2b) are oceanfront. Oceanfront owners can request and reserve oceanfront units. Non oceanfront owners can only hope for a last minute upgrade. I cannot estimate chances of success but I have read reports of it on tug over the years.
It is true that it is not safe to go in the ocean directly in front of the resort property. I walk about 50 yards north of the resort boundary and swim there ocean conditions permitting. Some years they don't permit the whole time we are there. The sand beach goes about 2 miles. It is secluded.
Of the 150 condo units in the complex, I believe 105 are in the timeshare system and only 20 are oceanfront (of 42 oceanfront units). The others are privately owned and mostly available for rent. I recommend KBV for those who want to buy a very economical (ebay purchase cost) and ohana style oceanfront timeshare on Kauai.
There are 3 1bd/1bth garden view units on the backside of the G building. The one on the second floor (G4) has a side view of the ocean and looks over the parking lot at the lagoon. We stayed in G4 every year until last year when we stayed two weeks in out resale oceanfront units bought on ebay.

Ebay auctions are full of misinformation. For instance, 320170808638 claims to be a 2 bedrm / 2 bath with an ICN = F3-16-(eo)annual. There is no claim that it is oceanfront. But F3 is a 1bed/2bath oceanfront. So, either the ICN is wrong or the 2 bedroom claim is wrong (minimum errors). I've seen that kind of mistake many times.

We now have 2 annual and 1 odd year ocean front units in addition to our original developer purchase of a 1/1. The last two ebay purchases were not described as oceanfront but included the ICN so we knew they were. They've been very inexpensive. For the one that just closed, once we received the initial paperwork, we could tell that the developer sale occurred in 2000, so we provided the closer with information about which rofr claims were contractually valid and which were not. We have no idea what transpired behind the scenes, but transfer completed without hearing any claim of rofr.

Jack
 
Thanks for all your help.

Another question: Does Pahio ownership include membership in RCI, or do you have to pay for that separately?

I'm still trying to get a handle on the Wyndham ownership of Pahio, as well as other resort chains. (I've read what I can find on TUG.) Is the bottom line that Wyndham now owns Pahio, but there's no change in how reservations and exchanges are made? And there's not going to be any blending of the various chains now under Wyndham?
 
linsj said:
Thanks for all your help.

Another question: Does Pahio ownership include membership in RCI, or do you have to pay for that separately?

I'm still trying to get a handle on the Wyndham ownership of Pahio, as well as other resort chains. (I've read what I can find on TUG.) Is the bottom line that Wyndham now owns Pahio, but there's no change in how reservations and exchanges are made? And there's not going to be any blending of the various chains now under Wyndham?
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So there are two seperate set of owners at the Pahio resorts:
-Most are pahio owners who have their TS managed by Wyndham
-A few who have given their pahio week to Wyndham and gotten a "Wyndham/Fairfield" week which allows them access to other wyndham/fairfield resorts. (but not Worldmark since they are a seperate company.)

Hope that helps
 
Great information on pahio resorts

jacknsara said:
Aloha linsj,
We've been owners at KBV for nine years. We've stayed there every year starting in 2000. Not everyone on tug likes the place but we do.
Units are titled by interval control number, week number, and ev(en), od(d) or eo(annual - go figure). 1bd/2bth and 2bd/2bth in buildings F, G, & H (H only has 2b/2b) are oceanfront. Oceanfront owners can request and reserve oceanfront units. Non oceanfront owners can only hope for a last minute upgrade. I cannot estimate chances of success but I have read reports of it on tug over the years.
It is true that it is not safe to go in the ocean directly in front of the resort property. I walk about 50 yards north of the resort boundary and swim there ocean conditions permitting. Some years they don't permit the whole time we are there. The sand beach goes about 2 miles. It is secluded.
Of the 150 condo units in the complex, I believe 105 are in the timeshare system and only 20 are oceanfront (of 42 oceanfront units). The others are privately owned and mostly available for rent. I recommend KBV for those who want to buy a very economical (ebay purchase cost) and ohana style oceanfront timeshare on Kauai.
There are 3 1bd/1bth garden view units on the backside of the G building. The one on the second floor (G4) has a side view of the ocean and looks over the parking lot at the lagoon. We stayed in G4 every year until last year when we stayed two weeks in out resale oceanfront units bought on ebay.

Ebay auctions are full of misinformation. For instance, 320170808638 claims to be a 2 bedrm / 2 bath with an ICN = F3-16-(eo)annual. There is no claim that it is oceanfront. But F3 is a 1bed/2bath oceanfront. So, either the ICN is wrong or the 2 bedroom claim is wrong (minimum errors). I've seen that kind of mistake many times.

We now have 2 annual and 1 odd year ocean front units in addition to our original developer purchase of a 1/1. The last two ebay purchases were not described as oceanfront but included the ICN so we knew they were. They've been very inexpensive. For the one that just closed, once we received the initial paperwork, we could tell that the developer sale occurred in 2000, so we provided the closer with information about which rofr claims were contractually valid and which were not. We have no idea what transpired behind the scenes, but transfer completed without hearing any claim of rofr.

Jack
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Thank you, you have provided more information that most. Can you tell if you own one of the Makai club resort which was also purshase by wyndham , does the one and four rule still apply if you want to trade in to the other pahop resorts.
Thank you
Linda:cheer:
 
linsj said:
Another question: Does Pahio ownership include membership in RCI, or do you have to pay for that separately?
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No. RCI membership is at your own expense. At least, it was for me.

Dave
 
If your Pahio ownership is with Wyndham's Fairshare Plus points, you get a RCI Weeks account paid for as part of your FSP fees each year.
 
Bill4728 said:
So there are two seperate set of owners at the Pahio resorts:
-Most are pahio owners who have their TS managed by Wyndham
-A few who have given their pahio week to Wyndham and gotten a "Wyndham/Fairfield" week which allows them access to other wyndham/fairfield resorts. (but not Worldmark since they are a seperate company.)

Hope that helps
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Unless I'm wrong, you need to become a FairShare member (either by buying a new Wyndham unit, or paying a hefty conversion fee) before you bank your week with them. For all Pahio resorts, you'd need to estimate how many of them became FairShare members, and then for a given year, how many bank their units with them.

I'm also pretty sure Wyndham is all points-based (points based on resort+unit size+length of stay). I'm not sure anything has to be in increments of a week, though it's probably still a common time period.

Jeff
 
armrecsys said:
...Can you tell if you own one of the Makai club resort which was also purshase by wyndham , does the one and four rule still apply if you want to trade in to the other pahio resorts. ...
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Aloha Linda,
Everything I know about Makai club I learned on tug. In short, I cannot answer your question.
Jack
 
another pahio KBV oceanfront on ebay

Aloha,
assuming the description is correct (I have not verified with the lister), ebay auction item 290180219794 is an oceanfront. The ICN is listed as F14-44-OD
We have enough for now, so we don't plan to bid.
Jack
 
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armrecsys said:
Thank you, you have provided more information that most. Can you tell if you own one of the Makai club resort which was also purshase by wyndham , does the one and four rule still apply if you want to trade in to the other pahop resorts.
Thank you
Linda:cheer:
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Linda, I would bet that because Fairfield considers Makai Club as part of their system, an owner would be exempt from the 1-in-four rule. I would ask on www.wyndhamowners.org This is a great site with lots of knowledgeable people. They seem to know everything! If they don't know an answer, they are happy to find out or tell you how to find out.
 
More questions about buying Pahio, specifically KBV:
If a KBV week has already been converted to RCI points (46,000), how far in advance can you book that property?
What kind of trading power does that amount of points have if I ever wanted to go somewhere else?
What's the status on special assessments at that property?
 
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