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A bad year

Zac495

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My cousin, who I am very close to, was to get married in Puerto Rico next weekend - we were going - Zoe was the flower girl.
He drowned yesterday. How could that be? He was only 55 and a great swimmer. Florida riptide.........

Now there will be a family feud because they had a pre-wedding on the beach last weekend (unclear which wedding is/was to be the legal one). There are 3 kids, elderly parents, siblings...... UGH.
 
I'm so sorry to hear that. It makes you want to give an extra hug to those you're close to - you never know when you won't have another chance.

My sincerest condolences - hopefully cooler heads will prevail with the inevitable "business end" of a tragedy like this one.

Bev
 
(unclear which wedding is/was to be the legal one).

That is SO sad. Accidents happen, but that's poor comfort. As to the above, if the marriage license is signed by the person officiating the wedding, then that one is the legal wedding. After the 'practice' one, I'm sure the bride and groom could consider themselves 'husband and wife', but if the license isn't signed it's not likely legal.

Please accept my heartfelt sympathy. (today is DW and my anniversary)

Jim Ricks
 
So, so sorry to read that news. How tragic for everyone, especially the bride!
 
Oh, that is just awful and I'm sure it hasn't totally sunk in. My condolences.
Let us know how this turns out.
 
My sincerest sympathies, so very sad.
 
Oh Ellen, how awful! I am so sorry. You will all need a great deal of strength to get through the ensuing days ahead. You're in my thoughts.
 
I am so sorry to hear this sad news. My thoughts and prayers of sympathy go out to you and your family.

Dori
 
Oh, my god, what a terrible tragedy! Your poor family....my heart goes out to you.
 
There's no will to be found since the 2005 will which left money to his kids and parents. Bridezilla went into the office in the middle of the night and took all paperwork (after the family all agreed to go together). She seems set on taking it all.

Lawyers out there- in Florida- how much is hers? There is evidence that 800,000 was left in his mother's name as the executor. Is that going to be hers to do as she chooses? Does the marriage mean the old will is null and void?

The marriage is 5 days old - he died just a few days after the wedding. We think we found a real license. Lots of strange things- he recently had hip replacement surgery and just told his daughter how he's not allowed to swim. He was found naked in the ocean - his clothes dry on shore.

It's horrible. Open casket thanks to wife - we're Jewish - it's not part of our tradition, but she wants it and is holding all the cards right now.

Write a will... please.
 
There's no will to be found since the 2005 will which left money to his kids and parents. Does the marriage mean the old will is null and void?.

The marriage has no effect on a will- that's why when you have a second marriage you should change your will!

I'm not a lawyer, BUT alot of people think that a will dictates where the deceased's assets go. Well that's not necessarily true. Any assets that are titled (deeded) are not included in the disposition of the assets via the will. e.g. He owned a home, or a car, or a rental house, or a business, or a bank account, or a 401K account etc etc. All these things are titled, and if the title states he owned them jointly or if a bank account names a beneficiary- then that person would inherit the asset regardless of any will's provision. So if his house were titled with an ex wife- she would inherit the house. If it were titled soley in his name THEN the will would dictate where that asset would go. (Sometimes assets are titled jointly without rights of succession- e.g. when two brothers own a house- then if one dies, his half goes into his estate to be decided by his will instead of going to the remaining brother)


The marriage is 5 days old -
It's horrible. Open casket thanks to wife - we're Jewish - it's not part of our tradition, but she wants it and is holding all the cards right now..

Regardless of the length of time- she is the wife and should be the one to make these decisions whether or not you like it.

Sorry for your loss.
 
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Oh Ellen, I'm am so, so very sorry for this tragic loss for you and your family. I will pray for strength for you all and hope that the messy details will be handled well by those involved.

This is a tough year for you.

My sincere condolences.

Janna
 
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Oh, Ellen, I am so sorry. What a terrible thing to go thru right after the other issues. My sincere condolences.

You definitely need an attorney in FL. His estate will have to go thru probate.
I don't know where he lived in FL but I can give you the name/phone # of the attorney that handled my uncle's estate. His firm is in the Tampa/St. Pete area. We had to deal with some ugly issues including the theft of $300,000 by another family member. I was the executrix but I didn't have to go to FL at all. Everything was done via mail/phone/email. PM me if you want further detail.
 
Ellen, I'm so sorry for your loss.

The story sounds very strange and the wife's behaviour somewhat suspicious. Are the police checking to see if there was any foul play?
 
Ellen, my thoughts and prayers are with you. So sorry for your loss.
 
Florida

What a nightmare. So sorry.

FIL died in Florida several years ago but had never updated his Virginia will when he moved to Florida so he was considered to have died instestate. Stepmother was not mentioned in the VA will, they kept their monies and properties in separate names with the exception of one checking account and the title to the automobile but she was entitled to a portion (seems like it was 1/2 to 3/4 but can't really remember) of everything he had.
 
Ellen---My deepest sympathy. Thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this time.

You've had a tough time over the past few months....stay strong, have faith, and lean on family and friends when needed.

Deb
 
Back from the funeral - you can watch it on Jerry Springer.

Wedding WAS legal.

First - the new wife wanted open casket - against Jewish tradition -it was compromised - open casket, pine box, cremation. She was 45 minutes late, so we barely had time to go in. In the middle of the service (Jewish) after 3 eulogies (including mine) the rabbi told us it was time to leave - time up.

Next - fights over money - wife sneaking out and getting his files from his office at midnight. UGH.

Daughter threw wife's mother's suitcase in the ocean (turned out it was her uncle's suitcase - oops).

My cousin was a very successful man. Unfortunately, this is a bad time to die - of course he has bills that I'm quite sure he intended to take care of when the market recovered (that's his business). His memory is being tarnished and muddied with words of irresponsible. He did cancel his life insurance policy 2 years ago - well , economic people might say that was smart considering all his kids were grown and out of college. Who knows?

No new will since the marriage -though the marriage was only 4 days old - so no big surprise there.

But he was a special man. So if you'd like to read my words about him:


Ben loved Florida, his home, and the gorgeous Florida landscape and weather. He was an extraordinarily successful man, perhaps the most successful person in our family. His success allowed him to acquire a lot of beautiful things that he adored. But the reason why Ben adored these things was not because of the things themselves, but because of the great pleasure he received from sharing these things with his family, his loved ones, his friends, and even with people he had just met. Ben was always beseeching his family members and friends to visit him – wishing to share his good fortune. Ben took extraordinary delight in seeing the smiles of his visitors as they took in what he so loved.

Ben was a family man. There was no family function he would miss if he could help it. He adored his parents, his brother and sister, and his 3 children --- taking pleasure in what made each one unique. He was also devoted to his extended family. He checked regularly on my mother’s condition when she suffered an injury, and he sent us all periodic emails just to stay in touch.
I myself visited Ben and Nancy on a regular basis – often bringing various friends whom he welcomed warmly. He was always a gracious and generous host – taking us to fabulous eateries and always showing us a wonderful time.

Part of what makes this moment so intensely painful is that Ben was a man who lived live so fully. But what I’ve tried to emphasize here is that it was equally important to him that everyone he loved should love life fully, too.
And so, for his sake, I want us all to do just that. I know that Ben would ask us all to go back home, relish the beauty and love that surrounds us, and have a martini – dry – straight up – a splash of vermouth – 2 olives.

Here’s to you, Ben. I’ll miss you terribly.
 
Ellen, that was lovely. I so admire people who can get up and speak at a time like that. I don't believe I'd ever be able to do it... Ben sounds like he was a wonderful man. My sympathies again.
Gosh, what a mess your poor family is in. We will definitely "Cheers to Ben" in Kauai.
Aloha
 
Ellen, I just saw this for the first time. I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Be there for his children, whom I assume are young adults. They will need their family members for years to come, especially on those special dates and occasions.

God Bless.
 
Ellen, your eulogie was lovely. What nice and sincere sweet things you said about a loving cousin. He sounds like such a great guy! He will obviously be missed by many people.

My continued condolences on this tragic loss.

Janna
 
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