That’s just nonsense ScottARP is not unique to Wyndham - the same concept exists in all points timeshare systems that I am aware of (aka Home Resort Priority). Nothing in my response was Wyndham-specific. If there are specific differences in the Wyndham system that I am missing, then highlighting those would be helpful.
I didn't see that the OP was even asking about ARP? I responded to CO skier's assertion that ARP is important with a caveat that ARP is expensive (to be more precise, ARP at specific resorts requires owning points from those resorts, and the maintenance of those points is often much higher than the lowest maintenance points).
-Scott
That’s just nonsense Scott
...All points have home resort priority
...Maintenance fees vary resort to resort.
....Maintenance fee rates vary resort to resort
....Typically the resorts that have the lowest maintenance fee rates have the highest maintenance fees
....Some resorts have lots of times that you need arp
....some resorts have no time when you need arp.
You just can’t make the general conclusion that arp is expensive
The fact is that arp reservations cost exactly the same as non arp
That’s just nonsense Scott
...All points have home resort priority
...Maintenance fees vary resort to resort.
....Maintenance fee rates vary resort to resort
....Typically the resorts that have the lowest maintenance fee rates have the highest maintenance fees
....Some resorts have lots of times that you need arp
....some resorts have no time when you need arp.
You just can’t make the general conclusion that arp is expensive
The fact is that arp reservations cost exactly the same as non arp
Don't forget there is a higher upfront cost of low maintenance fee contracts that you have not factored into anything. Or the higher point value needed to book one resort over another for the same amount of space. Sometimes the lower point resort is the one that needs the arp, but the higher one is the one with low MF per point.
It isn't that we don't understand your point. We just don't agree with it and feel it is lacking some of the subtleties of ownership that you don't seem to be considering. You keep acting like more numbers will get we owners, the ones who DO actually understand our ownership, to agree with you. This isn't the 90% you referenced earlier who don't understand responding to you.
While someone who is not an owner can certainly be knowledgeable about Wyndham, I am not sure why you keep arguing with owners about a product they do know. It is insulting to our intelligence to assume you know better when you haven't used the product.
so here is Scotts argument "ARP at specific resorts requires owning points from those resorts, and the maintenance of those points is often much higher than the lowest maintenance points"
Even if I agree with this my response has to be "so what? ; Who cares?"
There are two reasons for buying one resort or another when it comes to wyndam. wjappraise said it in his post above. Buy for the ARP or buy for the maintenance fees
If you are buying for ARP the cost to buy the points and the annual fees are not and cannot be your prime concern.
some examples
I live in Milwaukee (long cold winters) and want to take my family to the Wisconsin Dells several weekends every winter. Im going to buy my points from one resort, and I dont care what the maintenance fees are
Im old and retired and want to spend 2 months every year (Jan and Feb) in Florida Ive stayed at all the south Florida resorts and only Royal Vista will do...I dont care what the maintenance fees are
I live in New Orleans and every year host a housefull of people for Mardi Gras. A big problem for those of us that go into town for the parades is we have no place to pee.. This is a real problem there are even songs written about the problemI want to reserve a mardi gras week at Labelle Maison and I dont care what the maintenance fees are
The folks in my examples have specific needs and if you were to tell them that their maintenance fees will be higher than if they were to buy cheaper resorts and take vacations they dont want. They will tell you "So what I dont care" and besides the mf is still cheaper than a comparable vacation rental"
So Scott even if I understood your your argument, it dosent matter
and those of us that rent (or did rent) aren't pegging our prices to our costs Its not a cost plus thing. We would do a little work to figure out what market rents are and then price our rentals just a little cheaper
Inn on the Harbor and Inn on Long Wharf are located by both and are strictly 1 bedroom units.
OK, here goes a post with more specific resorts -
An owner owns 500K points in San Francisco @ $3.50/1K but they only go to Atlantic City where maintenance is $6.50/1K.
The owner needs more points and is trying to decide between 500K more in San Francisco or 500K more in Atlantic City so that they can make ARP reservations in Atlantic City.
-Scott
There is so much going on in this thread that I got lost figuring out if you were corrected on a part of your statement. You will be allowed ARP in a given year at the CWA resorts for up 210K points. The other 508 have no ARP benefits associated with them. Try to make a reservation in 2019 at 12 months for more than 210K points. The system won't let you. You can run the points calculator to prove this, as well. 210K will give you a nice vacation at locations where demand is very high during certain seasons, like those in Rhode Island. And, the 508K will serve you well when booking at 10 months in most locations.AFAIK, I have 210k CWA developer points, and 508k PIC points annually. All of those points qualify as CWA points for ARP. My MFs on those 508k PIC points are $1591.00 annually this year, plus 0.58/1000 points for the fees, for a total of $1885.64. I'm at $3.71/1000 points on MFs for the PIC contracts, and $5.77 plus fees for my 210k points. I therefore have ARP at 66 resorts across all 718k annual points if I'm understanding things correctly?
There is so much going on in this thread that I got lost figuring out if you were corrected on a part of your statement. You will be allowed ARP in a given year at the CWA resorts for up 210K points. The other 508 have no ARP benefits associated with them. Try to make a reservation in 2019 at 12 months for more than 210K points. The system won't let you. You can run the points calculator to prove this, as well. 210K will give you a nice vacation at locations where demand is very high during certain seasons, like those in Rhode Island. And, the 508K will serve you well when booking at 10 months in most locations.
I seldom use ARP and have never used RARP so I can't answer this. My instincts would say that they can't be used, but, I do not have personal knowledge. Maybe someone else with RARP experience can answer.Question from a non-VIP - could those 508k PIC points be used for RARP by gold and above at 11 months?
I don’t think so from what I can tell. Once I get past 10 months out my points available doesn’t change. If I’m in RARP period it shows it as available and when I get farther out the RARP option drops off. You can only use ARP available points for RARP. Since converted weeks or PIC points have no ARP attached they will not show up as available points beyond 10 months using the points calculator.Question from a non-VIP - could those 508k PIC points be used for RARP by gold and above at 11 months?
We Love Newport! Lots of good advice here!
Ill just add that the 1 bedroom "plus" at the Inn on the harbor sleeps up to 6. Most 1 bedrooms only sleep 4. This is a small room but if you want Newport in the Summer this is a bargain! Its only 126k Points for a summer week!
Well, ok, except for the fact that it would be very rare to need ARP to book Atlantic City. Those of us who regularly use the reservation system know this. Those who have not used the reservation system don't. I DID use ARP to book the 4 BR Presidential once for attending a conference, and then downgraded it to the 2 BR Presidential when I realized that I wasn't bringing as many guests as I thought. Guess what...NO ONE reserved the 4 BR after I cancelled it a good 4-5 months before the reservation. NO ONE! It was empty! In fact, with the exception of the weekend, there were only two other units occupied in the Penthouse suites. Maybe it's different in the summer, though.
Scott, Wyndham is much more simple than you make it out with your numeric analysis...it is also more complicated due to the way the points are individually structured by week/season/unit size/weekday-weekend. Experienced owners know these nuances. And I really think that you are confusing newer owners or those who are considering buying Wyndham.
I'm so glad that MaryBella responded here, because most of us know that Newport is a little tricky, but not impossible to book. These are smaller resorts that have many fixed-week owners. I would like to go there sometime. Thank you, MaryBella, for your good information.
Question from a non-VIP - could those 508k PIC points be used for RARP by gold and above at 11 months?
Did you have to call in?I just recently did this for 3 units at BC that totaled a little more than my non-PIC points.
When I tried to make a 4th reservation using RARP it claimed I didn't have enough points for the transaction, even though I did. I think it's a weak message back that's really indicative of having used up all my RARP privileges.Did you have to call in?
I tried online and get the Not Enough Points response
It will not let me exceed my total ARP points available
I can understand that you went over your CWP point allotment because points are blind.When I tried to make a 4th reservation using RARP it claimed I didn't have enough points for the transaction, even though I did. I think it's a weak message back that's really indicative of having used up all my RARP privileges.
Edited to add: this was all done online.
Edited again to add: I had exceeded my CWP point allotment with the first 3-reservation set of transactions. Some of my PIC points were used to complete the 3rd reservation.