Electric Car Battery Charging Stations at resorts

[Steve Fatula]

I was just at Surfwatch a couple weeks ago, did not see the EV stations?

 

[classiclincoln]

You can add these two (2) resorts that have added charges at their timeshare resorts. Marriott's Surfwatch, HHI,SC & Marriott's OceanWatch, Myrtle beach,SC.

The last time we were at Ocean Watch, their "charger" was a dedicated parking spot with a 110 outlet. There are 2 chargers across the street at the hotel.

 

[geist1223]

Who pays for the Electricity?

 

[dioxide45]

Who pays for the Electricity?

The HOA, out of the MFs.

 

[bazzap]

The HOA, out of the MFs.

And so in the end, all of us as owners.

 

[Passepartout]

The HOA, out of the MFs.

Well, yeah. But it isn't much. Our car has a 17 kWh battery. If it was down 10 kWh and the electricity rate is $.15 (at home, it's $.08), it would take a buck and a half of power. Some of the pay chargers say that their average bill is $0.75. We have found no discernable difference in our power bill since having the plug-in car.

 

[bazzap]

Well, yeah. But it isn't much. Our car has a 17 KwH battery. If it was down 10 KwH and the electricity rate is $.15 (at home, it's $.08), it would take a buck and a half of power. Some of the pay chargers say that their average bill is $0.75. We have found no discernable difference in our power bill since having the plug-in car.

Interesting.
Here in the UK the cost is 35p per kWh, so approx $.45 per kWh or some 3x the US cost!
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-much-ev-charging-and-running-cost/
Let’s consider a 100kWh Tesla Model S. A typical public rapid charging point in the UK currently charges around 35p per kWh, so the cost is 100 x 35p = £35 if you were to theoretically charge from completely empty to full. Switch to a cheaper home supply, which could cost 12p per kWh on a good-value overnight tariff, and the maths works out at a more palatable 100 x 12p = £12.

 

[Passepartout]

Interesting.
Here in the UK the cost is 35p per kWh, so approx $.45 per kWh or some 3x the US cost!
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-much-ev-charging-and-running-cost/
Let’s consider a 100kWh Tesla Model S. A typical public rapid charging point in the UK currently charges around 35p per kWh, so the cost is 100 x 35p = £35 if you were to theoretically charge from completely empty to full. Switch to a cheaper home supply, which could cost 12p per kWh on a good-value overnight tariff, and the maths works out at a more palatable 100 x 12p = £12.

Great article in the carmagazine link though is understandably Brit centric. It clearly defined the differences between available EVs, PHEVs, and has 'real world' comparisons of cost of operation. Oh, and some 'wishbook' stuff for Christmas morning- no pony from Santa? How about a 198 mph, 7,000 horsepower electric car? WOW!

Jim

 

[Steve Fatula]

Interesting.
Here in the UK the cost is 35p per kWh, so approx $.45 per kWh or some 3x the US cost!
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/how-much-ev-charging-and-running-cost/
Let’s consider a 100kWh Tesla Model S. A typical public rapid charging point in the UK currently charges around 35p per kWh, so the cost is 100 x 35p = £35 if you were to theoretically charge from completely empty to full. Switch to a cheaper home supply, which could cost 12p per kWh on a good-value overnight tariff, and the maths works out at a more palatable 100 x 12p = £12.

I guess you are comparing day rates, wouldn't most people charge at night? We use $0 chargers where we can. For example, when I fly out of DFW airport, parking has EV chargers and you pay nothing to leave them in an EV spot on your trip. When we go to Branson, we use the EV chargers there and pay $0 the whole time we are there. Etc.

 

[bazzap]

I guess you are comparing day rates, wouldn't most people charge at night? We use $0 chargers where we can. For example, when I fly out of DFW airport, parking has EV chargers and you pay nothing to leave them in an EV spot on your trip. When we go to Branson, we use the EV chargers there and pay $0 the whole time we are there. Etc.

Mostly yes, you would try to charge at night.
I haven’t switched to EV yet, so I am still learning.
We live in the countryside and although we mostly do short trips, we will need to do some much longer trips too which will require several daytime stops/charges.

 

[Steve Fatula]

Mostly yes, you would try to charge at night.
I haven’t switched to EV yet, so I am still learning.
We live in the countryside and although we mostly do short trips, we will need to do some much longer trips too which will require several daytime stops/charges.

Yeah, here in the US, that's not always practical or easy. So, that's why I got the Chevy Volt, when battery runs dry, it simply uses it's second engine, gas. We have at most 2 trips a month that require any gas at all. A tank typically lasts 4 months.

 

[bazzap]

Yeah, here in the US, that's not always practical or easy. So, that's why I got the Chevy Volt, when battery runs dry, it simply uses it's second engine, gas. We have at most 2 trips a month that require any gas at all. A tank typically lasts 4 months.

Understood and that may be the way I need to go too.

 

[Passepartout]

At the current state of EV development, we simply need more range than they are capable of. The PHEV Honda gives us the range, and qualified for the $7500 tax credit lightening the sticker price. Win-win for us.

Jim

 

[SeaDoc]

I'm quite happy with my Tesla S and 3, that both give me 300 mile ranges on a full charge; no different than my ICE Jeep Cherokee 4x4...

 

[Steve Fatula]

At the current state of EV development, we simply need more range than they are capable of. The PHEV Honda gives us the range, and qualified for the $7500 tax credit lightening the sticker price. Win-win for us.

Jim

Yep, got that too, the tax credit. Made the car no more expensive than any decent non PHEV car. Love the Volt, however, it was recently discontinued as Chevy seems to think no one wants cars any more. I think it was the second best selling PHEV. I guess I am in the minority, I still like cars, and despise SUVs.

 

[Steve Fatula]

I'm quite happy with my Tesla S and 3, that both give me 300 mile ranges on a full charge; no different than my ICE Jeep Cherokee 4x4...

In the current state of things, what do you do if you have a 1,000 mile drive, just curious how that works with the Tesla. Or, do you simply not do that?

 

[SeaDoc]

I'm quite happy with my Tesla S and 3, that both give me 300 mile ranges on a full charge; no different than my ICE Jeep Cherokee 4x4...

That is what is so cool about these cars - Tesla has a world-wide Tesla SuperCharging network (www.tesla.com/supercharger), world-wide, where I can stop and charge-up along major routes throughout the United States. Because I'm an early adopter, I have free super-charging, so my fuel costs are zero, and I'm getting OTA software updates every month or so, which keeps the cars up-to-date... NO FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE, which is a common theme among auto manufacturers, forcing you to buy another car every 3 years or so... NOT with Tesla... Best car ever driven, and I've been a car geek my entire life (along with TimeShare - haha)

 

[Steve Fatula]

That is what is so cool about these cars - Tesla has a world-wide Tesla SuperCharging network (www.tesla.com/supercharger), world-wide, where I can stop and charge-up along major routes throughout the United States. Because I'm an early adopter, I have free super-charging, so my fuel costs are zero, and I'm getting OTA software updates every month or so, which keeps the cars up-to-date... NO FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE, which is a common theme among auto manufacturers, forcing you to buy another car every 3 years or so... NOT with Tesla... Best car ever driven, and I've been a car geek my entire life (along with TimeShare - haha)

Yes, I understand early adopters got that, which is great of course. But how long does that take if you have to stop?

 

[SeaDoc]

Yes, I understand early adopters got that, which is great of course. But how long does that take if you have to stop?

Average charge time is 25-45 minutes depending on next SuperCharging station and current battery level - Navigation is integrally staged to get you from SuperCharger to the next one on your route. Usually there is a Starbucks next to these station stops, so I've become a Gold member at Starbucks...

 

[Steve Fatula]

Average charge time is 25-45 minutes depending on next SuperCharging station and current battery level - Navigation is integrally staged to get you from SuperCharger to the next one on your route. Usually there is a Starbucks next to these station stops, so I've become a Gold member at Starbucks...

That would be doable then. At least for more cross country driving and more populated states. In states like mine, there are only 2 supercharging stations and it would be impossible to even make the drive to certain places we go. As an example, unless my map is wrong, from Oklahoma City supercharger to Kenton OK is 350 or so miles one way. I could divert to Amarillo TX but it's still over 150 miles one way from there and that means no local driving. Hopefully, over time, this will continue to improve. I suspect the push to electric vehicles will only grow.

 

[Passepartout]

We would get more miles on electric if we'd just stay home, but we have a second home 125 miles away, and no handy, free public charger there, so we simply run on hybrid mode on the highway. The Honda still gives 40 to 50 mpg on gas.

 

[SeaDoc]

That would be doable then. At least for more cross country driving and more populated states. In states like mine, there are only 2 supercharging stations and it would be impossible to even make the drive to certain places we go. As an example, unless my map is wrong, from Oklahoma City supercharger to Kenton OK is 350 or so miles one way. I could divert to Amarillo TX but it's still over 150 miles one way from there and that means no local driving. Hopefully, over time, this will continue to improve. I suspect the push to electric vehicles will only grow.

It'll continue to get better as time goes on. If you ever have the chance to drive one, give it a whirl... It's really fun...

 

[Passepartout]

It'll continue to get better as time goes on. If you ever have the chance to drive one, give it a whirl... It's really fun...

There is a SuperCharger in Twin Falls, but none (that I am aware of) in any direction for over 200 miles. We drove to Las Vegas, 430 miles on Sunday with no delays which would have been necessary with any full EV. Out here in the sparsely populated West, the PHEV is the only practical alternative. Perhaps over time that will change, but we didn't want to wait.

Incidentally, on your Teslas, how much does cold weather effect range? We bought the Honda in August (hot) and it charged to over 50 miles range. Now we barely get 40 miles electric on a good charge - and the first miles go pretty quickly with the climate control & heated seats, & just greater rolling resistance of cold weather.

Jim

 

[SeaDoc]

I find that warm weather enhances range, but cold weather does lessen it to a degree. Tesla thought of that also, as it has automatic heating elements that keep the batteries at a decent temperature, so as not to adversely affect range too much in cold weather. Lots of SuperChargers are being planned in Eye-Duh-Hoe:

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.856766182528695,-106.83188454999998,41.14179801223694,-122.65219704999998&zoom=7&filters=store,service,supercharger,destination charger&search=Idaho, USA

 

[SeaDoc]

That would be doable then. At least for more cross country driving and more populated states. In states like mine, there are only 2 supercharging stations and it would be impossible to even make the drive to certain places we go. As an example, unless my map is wrong, from Oklahoma City supercharger to Kenton OK is 350 or so miles one way. I could divert to Amarillo TX but it's still over 150 miles one way from there and that means no local driving. Hopefully, over time, this will continue to improve. I suspect the push to electric vehicles will only grow.

Lots of SuperChargers for Oklahoma are being planned...

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...m=7&filters=supercharger&search=Oklahoma, USA