Fixed Check-in Day of the Week (Fri,Sat,Sun)

[echino]

I own a fixed week, and it is automatically reserved for me for a certain check-in day of the week (let's say Friday for example). But, this day of the week (e.g. Friday) is not listed in any documents or on the website. It's not in the "What I Own" section on the Vistana website, it's not in the deed, and it's not mentioned in any of the association documents, unless I missed something.

If I am buying another fixed week, how to find out which fixed check in day of the week is in this ownership, before I sign anything?

 

[YYJMSP]

On two of our three resales with fixed weeks, it was written by hand on the Estoppel after the Year of Use Rights: Annual section. However, the third does not have this notation.

 

[echino]

On two of our three resales with fixed weeks, it was written by hand on the Estoppel after the Year of Use Rights: Annual section. However, the third does not have this notation.

Mine is not on the estoppel. But when Vistana prepared your estoppel that had fixed check-in day of the week notation, they must have taken this info from somewhere. Where? How does Vistana determine which fixed check-in day of the week you own?

 

[controller1]

For some reason I thought all fixed weeks carried a Friday check-in day. Do either of you have a fixed week check-in day other than Friday?

 

[YYJMSP]

For some reason I thought all fixed weeks carried a Friday check-in day. Do either of you have a fixed week check-in day other than Friday?

Two Fri's and one Sun i think

 

[tschwa2]

Mine is not on the estoppel. But when Vistana prepared your estoppel that had fixed check-in day of the week notation, they must have taken this info from somewhere. Where? How does Vistana determine which fixed check-in day of the week you own?

I think specific units have specific check in days. The original offering might list which units are associated with which check in day.

 

[echino]

I think specific units have specific check in days. The original offering might list which units are associated with which check in day.

That was my thought as well, but for example for WKORV I read the entire governing documents file and could not find that. They keep referring to "Reservation Rules" throughout the document, and by the wording of it those Reservation Rules may contain those check-in days of the week provisions, but I could not find those Reservation Rules anywhere. They say those rules are in the VSN rules documents, but they are not there:

 

[vacationtime1]

A reservation for a Fixed Week is automatic and the specific dates will show on the "My Vacations" box on the owner's Vistana Dashboard. If you are buying, you could require the owner to provide a screen shot showing the current reservation (there will always be a current reservation because the usages are always one year apart -- unless the owner opted out of the Fixed Week).

i realize that's a cumbersome approach, but it will get you the info you need if the seller co-operates (and if the seller doesn't co-operate, that's all you need to know vis a vis that particular transaction).

 

[echino]

A reservation for a Fixed Week is automatic and the specific dates will show on the "My Vacations" box on the owner's Vistana Dashboard. If you are buying, you could require the owner to provide a screen shot showing the current reservation (there will always be a current reservation because the usages are always one year apart -- unless the owner opted out of the Fixed Week).

i realize that's a cumbersome approach, but it will get you the info you need if the seller co-operates (and if the seller doesn't co-operate, that's all you need to know vis a vis that particular transaction).

The important question is: "Is the check in day of the week fixed?" And if yes, then "Which document shows the fixed check in date?"

So far I failed to find any document that would show it. I suspect that it is not fixed "legally" anywhere.

 

[YYJMSP]

The SVR Spas docs contains the following verbiage (bolding mine) -- there's probably something similar in the others:

“Unit Week” shall mean that period of time consisting of seven (7) days during which the Owner(s) thereof
shall be entitled to the possession and use of a Unit committed to the Time Sharing Plan of the Condominium. Each
Unit committed to the Time Sharing Plan contains fifty-two (52) Unit Weeks which can be occupied each year and
an additional seven (7) day period of time which will occur only during certain years (the “53rd Week”). The 53rd
Week is further defined below and shall not be considered a Unit Week as provided for herein and in the Declaration
unless specifically indicated. Each Unit Week shall commence at noon on the Turnover Day and shall terminate at
noon on the Turnover Day seven days later. The Turnover Day for the separate phases of this Condominium may be
different. The Turnover Day for the Unit Weeks in Phases V and VI shall be Friday. In other words, Unit Week
No. 1 is the seven (7) day period commencing at noon on the first applicable Turnover Day in each calendar year;
Unit Week No. 2 is the seven (7) day period commencing at noon on the Turnover Day next following the first
Turnover Day in each year. Additional Unit Weeks up to and including Unit Week No. 52 are computed in a like
manner. The 53rd Week shall be the seven (7) day period following the end of Unit Week No. 52 and terminating at
noon on the first applicable Turnover Day of the next calendar year, but shall only exist and follow Unit Week No.
52 if Unit Week No. 52 ends in the same calendar year in which the preceding Unit Week No. 1 began. Although a
Unit Week shall run from noon on the first applicable Turnover Day of the designated period to noon on the next
applicable Turnover Day, an Owner of a Unit Week will have a right to occupy such Unit Week only in accordance
with the use restrictions set forth in, or promulgated pursuant to the provisions of, Article 21 of the Declaration and
summarized in Section 11 of the Public Offering Statement.

 

[echino]

Could not find anything like that for WKORN. Here is what it says:

The way I interpret it the check in day of the week is not fixed legally, at least for WKORV. Why is it fixed in real life then?

Here is the full document:

https://vistana-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/owner-documents/hoa/KOR/1981_KOR_Gov_Docs.pdf

 

[YYJMSP]

my text was from SVR.

I suspect when you pay the extra 20% at WKORV your deeded unit/week is locked against a particular checkin date, so its not just for inventory/recording purposes only anymore.

we would have to find someone with the fixed week/unit and see what us different in their specific deed.

 

[echino]

My WKORV deed is fixed week and floating unit, and it contains nothing about check in day of the week. However in real life check in day is fixed. I am trying to find out why it is fixed. I think it should not be fixed, and I believe I should have a choice of a check in day of the the week.

Just like Marriott, I have a fixed week, and I have a choice to reserve Fri,Sat,Sun. With WKORV, I do not have a choice.

I emailed Vistana about it, will see what they reply.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Our WSJ-VGV VOIs are fixed (Friday) - I do not recall if it was stated anywhere. If I want a Saturday/Sunday checkin - then I would have to attempt at 8-10 months out (Owner Float), but would not be our villa, or even our weeks. And I would have to give up my reservation... (nope).

WSJ-VGV are all fixed - and there are Fri/Sat/Sun checkins.

 

[dioxide45]

There is a difference between fixed weeks and event weeks. Did Vistana sell true fixed weeks in Hawaii?

 

[jabberwocky]

There is a difference between fixed weeks and event weeks. Did Vistana sell true fixed weeks in Hawaii?

Every so often I will see a non-51/52 fixed week pop up on Redweek, but I think they were fairly rare.

 

[echino]

Mine says "Annual Event, Week 51, Villa: Floating"

But it does not mention the check in day of the week anywhere.

 

[Henry M.]

An event week might be different than a true fixed week. Perhaps someone with a non-event fixed week can confirm whether the check-in day is also fixed. Vistana did sell fixed weeks at least at WKORV. When I purchased, I could have paid extra to fix the week, and then even more to fix the unit.

echino, have you called Vistana Portfolio Services (1-800-743-7654) to see if they can help determine the check-in day, and to see where that information might be documented?

 

[DavidnRobin]

If the question is whether fixed weeks also have a fixed checkin day?
Yes.
(fix week owner gets choice of check in day? No.)

As to where the fixed day is stated?
Don’t know.




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[echino]

If the question is whether fixed weeks also have a fixed checkin day?
Yes.

Yes, when a fixed week is pre-booked automatically it is booked for a certain check in day of the week. But what if I would like a different day? For example, if my fixed week is automatically pre-booked for a Friday, can I change it to Saturday instead?

Vistana won't do it, but do they have a right to restrict me only to one certain check in day? The way I read the document, there is no such restriction anywhere and I should have the right to choose which check in day I want, subject to availability. Look at the reservation calendar from the docs. It says check in days are Fri,Sat,Sun.

Marriott has fixed weeks, but I can choose which check in day I want. It should be the same with Vistana, unless I missed the restriction somewhere in the docs.

 

[dioxide45]

Marriott has fixed weeks, but I can choose which check in day I want.

These aren't really fixed weeks, they are event weeks. In some cases it was weeks 51 or 52. So you could reserve either. Other weeks like Presidents Week were event weeks with a floating checkin day and unit. Fixed week is rather uncommon these days and when you have a floating checkin day for the same week every year, that is not truly a fixed week but rather what is considered an event week.

 

[bobpark56]

The important question is: "Is the check in day of the week fixed?" And if yes, then "Which document shows the fixed check in date?"

So far I failed to find any document that would show it. I suspect that it is not fixed "legally" anywhere.

I would think it has to be fixed...else you would have days that overlap with another owner, and that would not keep you happy. (Posted by one who owns a specific week in a specified unit (#4115) at WestinSt John.)

 

[dioxide45]

I would think it has to be fixed...else you would have days that overlap with another owner, and that would not keep you happy. (Posted by one who owns a specific week in a specified unit (#4115) at WestinSt John.)

With multiuple available units, they can pretty easily float the checkin day and make it fit. No one would overlap. Even if a single week and unit was fixed, there is enough slack in inventory and multiple units to make it work. I suspect when they did fix a week and unit, they forced a certain checkin day for that unit?

 

[echino]

Look how Marriott works. Fixed week, floating unit, choice of check in day. My WKORV is also fixed week, floating unit, should I also have a choice of check in day?

Hyatts are fixed weeks, fixed unit, and fixed check in day is written in the deed. Nothing about check in day is written in the deed, or any other documents, for WKORV.

 

[Henry M.]

Vistana Portfolio Services should have the information.