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20 Year old Woman Dies at Playa del Carmen Resort

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Phydeaux, I'd continue the discussion, but I doubt we'll ever know the real truth of what happened here, so all we can do is speculate. And since you are waaaay more invested in this than I am on this topic, rather than wonder about your true agenda, I'll just say "Happy travels everyone!"

I'll tell you what my concern is, and it isn't an agenda.

There are a few things that truly annoy me. One is fake news, and the people that perpetuate it. It's the dumbing down of society, and not only does it irritate me, it frightens me since I share oxygen with these people. Second, I have friends in Mexico and I don't appreciate it when people perpetuate fake BS that can do nothing for their welfare or that of their families. These are dear friends, hard workers, and genuine. If someone that was close to you was being implicated with BS, I believe you would speak up also. Perhaps not, but I do, and I will continue to do so.

There are far too many people today that seem to have lost their common sense. I'm glad you have composed enough to know when to back down, since you must realize your earlier post read like a TV script for yet another crap show. Happy travels indeed. Perhaps you can visit Mexico someday, and learn more about one the warmest cultures there is.

Peace.
 
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Phydeaux, I'd continue the discussion, but I doubt we'll ever know the real truth of what happened here, so all we can do is speculate. And since you are waaaay more invested in this than I am on this topic, rather than wonder about your true agenda, I'll just say "Happy travels everyone!"

Actually, that was Phydeaux's point? His agenda was that anyone coming on these forums and stating things to be true that are pure speculation are flat wrong to do so. If you are going to make a statement; back it up with some valid data. Otherwise, what is the purpose of the post?

People seem to enjoy immensley when that speculation is aimed at Mexico and love jumping on the Mexico forum to throw out speculation as the truth. I've observed it for years on TUG and other forums - and mostly from people who do not vacation in Mexico. It does get old and aggravates those of us that know better.

BTW, we just returned from a week there with 4 college aged grandkids who do drink. We went all over - nary a problem - same as for the last 25 trips. None of that is speculation.

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A bartender targets an affluent-looking guest who is drinking (so witnesses can testify to that), and who is clearly there with a loved one. He simply helps them along their journey by serving them tainted drinks. When the guest becomes incapacitated, the helpful manager will usher them off to a "preferred" hospital for treatment. When the loved one arrives, worried sick, the hospital takes advantage of their unique vulnerability by demanding a few thousand bucks payment... up front. They won't accept credit cards, of course, because the traveler could dispute the charge after the fact, and because credit cards leave a paper trail. That would risk exposing certain patterns that would allow a credit card company or law enforcement to connect the dots. No, they want cold, hard cash, and even have a person on hand who can drive them to the ATM or bank so that they can access cash. They really didn't want their marks to die, as their goal is to shake them loose for some cash, not actually permanently harm anyone.

I agree, suspicious. It's to me similar to the scam that timeshare sales persons commit all the time in telling falsehoods then having people sign paperwork that says people agree nothing not in writing counts and verbal promises are not real. I just hope the tainted alcohol stops.
 

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I hope the stupidity stops.
 

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I agree, suspicious. It's to me similar to the scam that timeshare sales persons commit all the time in telling falsehoods then having people sign paperwork that says people agree nothing not in writing counts and verbal promises are not real. I just hope the tainted alcohol stops.

I hope the stupidity stops.
Well, your wishes may come true. Mexico says it is going to crack down on the tainted alcohol it acknowledges makes up 40% of alcohol served:

"The Mexican government has long acknowledged that the nation has a problem with adulterated alcohol. A 2017 report by Euromonitor International found 36% of the alcohol consumed in the country is illegal, meaning it is sold or produced under unregulated circumstances and potentially dangerous.

The study, done in collaboration with the nation’s Tax Administration Service, found that was an improvement from two years earlier, when 43% was illegal."

"The president of Mexico’s health commission, Sen. Salvador López Brito, said in an interview that the legislature is working on an “initiative to improve the controls and inspections for tainted alcohol at resorts.”

And, more stories coming out. Sounding a lot more like Bill Cosby's repeated denials:

"Four days before Abbey Conner was found floating face down in a pool at a Mexican resort, Mary Jo Kuhn waded over to a swim-up bar in the same complex. On her second drink, she blacked out.

Four days after Conner was pulled from the water, Meghan Gordon and her boyfriend were sitting on stools at the same swim-up bar where Conner and her brother had been drinking tequila on a family vacation. Throughout the afternoon, a friendly bartender served Gordon and her boyfriend a couple of mixed drinks, then two rounds of tequila shots. Neither can remember what happened next — vomiting and being escorted away by hotel security.

The two incidents are among more than three dozen that have surfaced in the wake of a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel investigation this month into the death of 20-year-old Abbey Conner at the Iberostar Paraiso del Mar in Playa del Carmen in January."
More #fakenews? Story.

Given these facts alone, this would lead to a criminal investigation in the U.S. Sorry, but that's true.
 

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In central Florida we hear of children drowning in pools all the time, now we are hearing of babies dying in hot cars. So sad!
 

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I just hope the tainted alcohol stops.

Have you seen any proof that tainted alcohol existed in any of these hearsay stories? BTW, the "illegal" alcohol reported (alcohol sold and/or produced outside government regulations) is not the same as "tainted" alcohol.

If truly tainted alcohol is supposedly so common in Mexico, wouldn't it be easy to gather samples and have them tested? Have you seen any verified reports that such sampling has found tainted alcohol?

Kurt
 

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Have you seen any proof that tainted alcohol existed in any of these hearsay stories? BTW, the "illegal" alcohol reported (alcohol sold and/or produced outside government regulations) is not the same as "tainted" alcohol.

If truly tainted alcohol is supposedly so common in Mexico, wouldn't it be easy to gather samples and have them tested? Have you seen any verified reports that such sampling has found tainted alcohol?

Kurt
I agree. I think something is being added.
 

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Ok, so where are the reports of samples being collected, tested, and finding these mysterious additives?

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That's part of the problem. Police don't investigate. Hospital that resort sent her to didn't test for the few most likely drugs that would cause this reaction.

I presume you didn't read the accounts of the dozens of people who have independently reported the same thing.
 

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That's part of the problem. Police don't investigate. Hospital that resort sent her to didn't test for the few most likely drugs that would cause this reaction.

I presume you didn't read the accounts of the dozens of people who have independently reported the same thing.
Actually after reading the article again, she was flown back to Florida, which means all tests were done by the hospital in the US. Any foul play should have been picked up by the tests.
 

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That's part of the problem. Police don't investigate. Hospital that resort sent her to didn't test for the few most likely drugs that would cause this reaction.
If this is such a common occurrence, why hasn't there been any independent investigation? Take samples of the supposedly "tainted" drinks and test them. Simple to do, but yet no one has done that yet? :ponder:

But wait, that wouldn't produce sensationalized headlines that produce revenue-generating click-through links, would it...

I presume you didn't read the accounts of the dozens of people who have independently reported the same thing.
You mean all those stories that have come out after the original story of the two kids getting black-out drunk (0.25 BAC!) and doing something stupid?

It's amazing -- they all seem to have just two drinks. Gee, where have we heard that before? Hint: "Honest officer, I've only had two beers!"

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Personally no proof, just reading in articles that they are admitting there has been tainted alcohol

http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Wi...n-resort-after-daughters-death-436741853.html

''Mexican officials say, over the past seven years they've seized more than a million gallons of tainted alcohol from Mexican businesses, including resorts. However the Iberostar Resort, where the Conners stayed, was not of the places with tainted alcohol, the Mexican Health Ministry tells ABC News''

Have you seen any proof that tainted alcohol existed in any of these hearsay stories? BTW, the "illegal" alcohol reported (alcohol sold and/or produced outside government regulations) is not the same as "tainted" alcohol.

If truly tainted alcohol is supposedly so common in Mexico, wouldn't it be easy to gather samples and have them tested? Have you seen any verified reports that such sampling has found tainted alcohol?

Kurt
 

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BTW, the "illegal" alcohol reported (alcohol sold and/or produced outside government regulations) is not the same as "tainted" alcohol.
Mexico must be the only place in the world where a resort can't make money selling honest liquor to tourists.
 

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Wow, it seems on this thread that we have decided to get to the bottom of this unfortunate incident. OK, let's review our knowledge gaps - what we know and don't know.

We learned today that it was reported that some organization (Euromonitor International) has reported that 36% of alcohol consumed in Mexico is illegal - in other words I assume, not being taxed. I briefly looked for the actual report but couldn't find it; if someone has a link, please post it so we can see what it said and how they determined it. It sounds like Mexico has some tax loopholes they need to fix - but do we really care? I personally like tax loopholes.

We also heard that 40% of the alcohol consumed in Mexico is tainted. I will call BS on this and can actually prove it. Over the last 15 years, my family, friends, and I have drank our way across all of Mexico a number of times sampling all kinds of drinks in all kind of places; we have never had any issues or blackouts. It is statistically impossible that 40% number is right - gotta be close to zero. Anyone on this forum blacked out on a drink in Mexico? It is also interesting the Canadian safety commission has not seen any reports from Canadians about tainted drinks.

Certainly some resorts like iberostar could be doing so; no clue - never been there. Has anyone? VW has shown the level executive leadership might go for profits. Regardless, this is a serious knowledge gap; I for one, won't be going there as there does seems to be some serious unanswered questions. That said, I really haven't seen any validated data supporting the Wisconsin paper and family allegations. Hopefully, the authorities will get it right.

The bottom line is there are far too many knowledge gaps to understand what happened in this instance - but any attempts to blame Mexico and the Mexican culture for this situation is really farfetched. I never even thought of blaming Germany for VW cheating on emissions.

Mike
 
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I am closing this thread. All participants have stated their opinions & I see no reason to continue the insults.
 
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