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Affiliates are weird. Some people here advise people to avoid them at all costs, and some people think there are opportunities for better value via resale.

I myself ignore the Affiliate vs HGVC direct, provided you are NOT restricted from participating in HGVC. The only affiliates that may be an issue via resales are some resales of S CA GPR, and previous Westgate Elara deeds. Are there any other restrictions? Maybe we should just make sure that is clearly delineated.
Personally, I don't really care if a week I own is an Affiliate or not and that would never influence my buying decision. I view it as some properties have some different rules, and if a week there will work for me and is a good fit, I would be interested in it. I currently own a mix of Affiliate and HGVC-developed weeks and I am happy with what I have -- no regrets.

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Personally, I don't really care if a week I own is an Affiliate or not and that would never influence my buying decision. I view it as some properties have some different rules, and if a week there will work for me and is a good fit, I would be interested in it. I currently own a mix of Affiliate and HGVC-developed weeks and I am happy with what I have -- no regrets.

Kurt

I had thought about an Affiliate a while ago for 2 reasons:

1) was Bay Club, and the buy-in was like 2/3 less (at the time) of the Vegas, albeit MF were more.
2) I think some of the FL affiliates can opt-in to Interval International and/or RCI (I really wish I had II access).

So I think there's merit, it just kinda depends on what the person is looking for or wanting to use.
 

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It is expensive and carries business risk to build new properties if you are not sure that you are going to have the sales to support the project. However, owners want to have as many options as possible to travel. I think that HGVC was smart in forming alliances with preexisting timeshares that became affiliates without having to tie up the capital.

People love HGVC because it is very flexible and because it provides good value for good quality accommodation. That would have not necessarily been possible if they had not been careful with their investments. To me, both the owners and the company see the value of having affiliate resorts in the club. I do not see why anyone would not look at the merits of all possible purchases, including affiliates, especially if the main goal is points.

I own at Hilton Craigendarroch lodges, one of the lowest MF in the club. Indeed, it can be enrolled in Interval as well. Even if you do not intend to trade in Interval you can be a member just to have access to the getaways and accommodation certificates.
 
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And on the plus side for affiliates is no ROFR, which is almost certainly why they are generally more affordable.
 

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I am now so confused. I really don't understand affiliated and what the difference is and why it matters?
 

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I am now so confused. I really don't understand affiliated and what the difference is and why it matters?

It doesn't matter to most of us, especially once they are in your account.

It matters to buy, because some GPR (Carlsbad, CA) and Westgate deeded Elara units do not qualify to participate in HGVC.
It matters to buy, because some have NO ROFR and thus may be a bit cheaper to acquire.

So for most resale weeks it makes NO difference.
 

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I am now so confused. I really don't understand affiliated and what the difference is and why it matters?

Advantages of affiliate
You might prefer the location and plan to use it at least 1/2 the time. Some affiliates are high demand areas and are difficult to trade in. By owning there you are guaranteed you can go there.

There is no rofr so you can find a great deal.

If you want to have the option to trade in interval some affiliates provide that option. Pure hgvc, you can only trade thru rci.

Risk is if the affiliate leaves the system. It has happened, two I can think of, but members of hgvc were allow to stay. If this happened resale would be less as you would not be able to sell the hgvc part of the week.

With a pure hgvc you can always borrow next years points. With some affiliates if you have a flex week, you need to request a week one year prior. You have to wait until you are confirmed with a week until you can deposit it in the hgvc system and use the points.
 

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So it sounds like some of the information in the "Developed and Managed by HGVC" is incorrect and needs updating/fixing?

Along with the help of @alwysonvac, we have previously submitted some updates to our HGVC Informational Overview document. One of the updates was concerning the HGVC Developed vs Affiliated list. Here is from the update submitted. If you have comments/corrections, please provide:


· HGVC Developed & Managed Resorts (21 d/m)
· HGVC Managed Resorts (27 mndg)
· HGVC Affiliated Resorts (25 aff)
· HGVC in Development (4 dev)



UNITED STATES

California (Carlsbad)
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at MarBrisa mngd
• Grand Pacific Palisades Resort aff
• Carlsbad Seapointe Resort aff

California (San Francisco)
• Club Donatello aff

Colorado (Breckenridge
• Valdoro Mountain Lodge [Limited Availability] mngd

District of Columbia (Washington)
• The District by Hilton Club d/m

Florida (Captiva Island)
• The Cottages at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Harbourview Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Plantation Bay Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Plantation Beach Club at South Seas Island Resort (I, II & III) [Limited Availability] mngd
• Plantation House at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• South Seas Club at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability] mngd

Florida (Fort Meyers Beach)
• Seawatch On-the-Beach Resort mngd

Florida (Stuart)
• Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Resort [Limited Availability] mngd

Florida (Marco Island)
• Club Regency of Marco Island mngd
• Eagle's Nest Beach Resort mngd
• Sunset Cove (no longer managed by HGVC) aff
• The Surf Club of Marco mngd
• The Charter Club of Marco Beach mngd

Florida (Miami)
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at McAlpin - Ocean Plaza (aka HGVC at South Beach) d/m

Florida (Orlando)
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at SeaWorld d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Tuscany Village (aka HGVC on International Drive) d/m
• Parc Soleil by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Las Palmeras, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club mngd

Florida (Sanibel Island)
• Casa Ybel Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Hurricane House Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Sanibel Cottages Resort [Limited Availability] mngd
• Shell Island Beach Club Resort (no longer managed by HGVC) aff
• Tortuga Beach Club Resort [Limited Availability] mngd

Hawaii (Honolulu)
• Grand Waikikian by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Kalia Suites by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Lagoon Tower by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Hokulani Waikiki by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Grand Islander by Hilton Grand Vacations Club mngd

Hawaii (Waikoloa)
• Kings' Land by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Kohala Suites by Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• The Bay Club at Waikoloa Beach Resort mngd

Nevada (Las Vegas)
• Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at the Flamingo d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Trump International Hotel Las Vegas d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club on Paradise (aka HGVC at the Las Vegas Hilton on Karen Ave) d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club on the Boulevard (aka HGVC on the LV Strip) d/m

New York
• The Hilton Club (only available to owners of this property) d/m
• West 57TH Street by Hilton Club d/m
• The Residences by Hilton Club dev

South Carolina (Charleston)
• Liberty Place Charleston by Hilton Club dev

South Carolina (Hilton Head Island)
• Ocean Oaks by Hilton Grand Vacation Club mngd

South Carolina (Myrtle Beach)
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Anderson Ocean Club mngd
• Ocean 22 by Hilton Grand Vacation Club mngd
• Ocean 16 by Hilton Grand Vacation Club dev

Utah (Park City)
• Sunrise Lodge, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club d/m


INTERNATIONAL

Indonesia
• Anantara Vacation Club, Bali aff

Italy
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Borgo alle Vigne mngd

Japan
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Sesokojima Island dev
• The Bay Forest Odawara by Hilton Club d/m

Mexico
• Fiesta Americana Cozumel All Inclusive Resort aff
• Fiesta Americana Villas Acapulco aff
• Fiesta Americana Villas Cancun aff
• Fiesta Americana Villas Los Cabos All Inclusive Golf and Spa Resort aff
• Grand Fiesta Americana Los Cabos All Inclusive Golf and Spa aff
• Grand Fiesta Americana Puerto Vallarta All Inclusive aff
• Live Aqua Boutique Resort Playa del Carmen aff
• Grand Luxxe Nuevo Vallarta aff
• Grand Luxxe Riviera Maya aff
• The Explorean Cozumel aff
• The Explorean Kohunlich aff
• The Grand Mayan Acapulco aff
• The Grand Mayan Nuevo Vallarta aff
• The Grand Mayan Riviera Maya aff

Portugal
• Hilton Vilamoura Vacation Club [Limited Availability] aff

Scotland
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Coylumbridge mngd
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Craigendarroch Suites d/m
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Craigendarroch Lodge mngd
• Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Dunkeld mngd

Thailand
• Anantara Vacation Club Bophut, Koh Samui aff
• Anantara Vacation Club Chiang Mai aff
• Anantara Vacation Club Mai Khao Phuket aff
• Anantara Vacation Club at Sathorn Bangkok aff

New Zealand
• Anantara Vacation Club at Oak Shores Queenstown aff
 
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GT75 maybe some of the affiliate confusion is because affiliate means different things within the explanation of hgvc.

In your prior post For example it shows
Eagles Nest Beach Resort as mngd
Ocean 22 as mngd
Shell Island Beach Club Resort as aff

For buying Eagles Nest is an affiliate with no rofr , Ocean 22 is pure hgvc with rofr and Shell Island left the system and only owners who were enrolled in hgvc can use it and cannot pass hgvc rights to a new owner.
 

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GT75 maybe some of the affiliate confusion is because affiliate means different things within the explanation of hgvc.

In your prior post For example it shows
Eagles Nest Beach Resort as mngd
Ocean 22 as mngd
Shell Island Beach Club Resort as aff


For buying Eagles Nest is an affiliate with no rofr , Ocean 22 is pure hgvc with rofr and Shell Island left the system and only owners who were enrolled in hgvc can use it and cannot pass hgvc rights to a new owner.

The classifications were based on HGV’s resort map
https://www.hgv.com/development/ (see legend)

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For buying Eagles Nest is an affiliate with no rofr , Ocean 22 is pure hgvc with rofr and Shell Island left the system and only owners who were enrolled in hgvc can use it and cannot pass hgvc rights to a new owner.

I agree that there is a lot of confusion with what is affiliate and what isn't. Ocean 22 isn't pure HGVC however. The building isn't owned by HGVC. It really depends on why is the person asking the question.
 

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I agree that there is a lot of confusion with what is affiliate and what isn't. Ocean 22 isn't pure HGVC however. The building isn't owned by HGVC. It really depends on why is the person asking the question.
When I say pure, I mean you must be a member of hgvc, trading occurs only through RCI and their is rofr. Is there a better word I can used?
 

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I think that is why it adds to the confusion of newbies. When we talk about resale affiliates with no rofr they are different then the classification based on hgv’s resort map. Not sure how to separate the two for clarification.
This list was intended for the the HGVC Overview article on the TUG ADVICE Page.
I suggest a separate list in the sticky ROFR thread regarding “resorts with no ROFR”.

There are some listed in this thread - https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/hgvc-resorts-that-do-not-have-rofr.265920/
 

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If you have comments/corrections, please provide:

The HGV map has additional updates
  • Ocean 16 is now Ocean Enclave by Hilton Grand Vacation Club
  • Ocean Tower by Hilton Grand Vacation Club was added
  • The Quinn Central Park by Hilton Club was added
  • Los Cabos was added
 
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IOW, including true affiliates among the list of those "mngd" muddies the water.

The problem is that the designation "mngd" doesn't distinguish between resorts that are actually independent affiliates whose association with HGVC is voluntary (i.e. the legacy SW Florida resorts, Plantation Bch Cl. @IRP, and Bay Club) and resorts which are wholly integrated into the HGVC system with mandatory membership (Valdoro, Anderson Ocean, Ocean 22, Ocean Oaks, etc.).

IMHO, an affiliate with voluntary membership should get the "aff" designation, whether or not managed, perhaps "mngd/aff." <just my 2 cents>
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IOW, including true affiliates among the list of those "mngd" muddies the water.

The problem is that the designation "mngd" doesn't distinguish between resorts that are actually independent affiliates whose association with HGVC is voluntary (i.e. the legacy SW Florida resorts, Plantation Bch Cl. @IRP, and Bay Club) and resorts which are wholly integrated into the HGVC system with mandatory membership (Valdoro, Anderson Ocean, Ocean 22, Ocean Oaks, etc.).

IMHO, an affiliate with voluntary membership should get the "aff" designation, whether or not managed, perhaps "mngd/aff." <just my 2 cents>
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Good point :cool:

JMHO... I think we should add clarification but avoid changing HGV’s terminology to prevent further confusion.

Perhaps mngd(voluntary membership) and mngd(mandatory membership) :shrug:
 
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The HGV map has additional updates
  • Ocean 16 is now Ocean Enclave by Hilton Grand Vacation Club
  • Ocean Tower by Hilton Grand Vacation Club was added
  • The Quinn Central Park by Hilton Club was added
  • Los Cabos was added

Also, the Anantara Vacation Club resorts need to come off (well, they will be gone by December anyway)
 

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Good point :cool:

JMHO... I think we should add clarification but avoid changing HGV’s terminology to prevent further confusion.

Perhaps mngd(voluntary membership) and mngd(mandatory membership) :shrug:
Maybe
mngd(independent affiliate, voluntary membership, no rofr)
mngd(mandatory membership, rofr)

This way between stickies and threads a newbie sees consistency in words we use as it relates to the resorts.
 

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I think most Newbies as asking because they are worrying if the affiliates will drop HGVC.

Good point :cool:

JMHO... I think we should add clarification but avoid changing HGV’s terminology to prevent further confusion.

Perhaps mngd(voluntary membership) and mngd(mandatory membership) :shrug:

Shall we also add No ROFR to the list?
 

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Now I'm even more confused.
LOL!

In terms of ROFR, I don't think that should be the deliniating factor for "affiliate". Maybe a RESORT specific item?

I tend to lean towards the "affiliate" part where HGVC membership is "optional" (also doesn't HGVC charge a diff. fee if you buy an affiliate? I can't remember) along with the II/RCI thing.

Like I don't think I can buy FA in Cozumel and then join HGVC can I? (it's a "different" kind of affiliated resort like Club Intrawest and Anantara?)
 

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Maybe
mngd(independent affiliate, voluntary membership, no rofr)
mngd(mandatory membership, rofr)

This way between stickies and threads a newbie sees consistency in words we use as it relates to the resorts.

Doesn’t voluntary membership always mean independent affiliate?

Instead of repeating “independent affiliate” every time we list voluntary, perhaps we can use Talent312’s statement at the top.

Something like...

HGVC managed resorts include both

  • Independent affiliates whose association with HGVC is voluntary (i.e. the legacy SW Florida resorts, Plantation Beach Club @IRP, Bay Club, etc)
  • Resorts which are wholly integrated into the HGVC system with mandatory membership (Valdoro, Anderson Ocean, Ocean 22, Ocean Oaks, etc.).
 

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Shall we also add No ROFR to the list?

I honestly don’t know if anyone knows all of the resorts that have no ROFR :shrug: therefore I hesitate to add it to the overview document. I suggested the ROFR sticky thread so it can be updated more frequently as new information is shared.

The final decision is up to you :thumbup:
 

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Doesn’t voluntary membership always mean independent affiliate?

Instead of repeating “independent affiliate” every time we list voluntary, perhaps we can use Talent312’s statement at the top.

Something like...

HGVC managed resorts include both

  • Independent affiliates whose association with HGVC is voluntary (i.e. the legacy SW Florida resorts, Plantation Beach Club @IRP, Bay Club, etc)
  • Resorts which are wholly integrated into the HGVC system with mandatory membership (Valdoro, Anderson Ocean, Ocean 22, Ocean Oaks, etc.).
Great wording
 

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I honestly don’t know if anyone knows all of the resorts that have no ROFR :shrug: therefore I hesitate to add it to the overview document. I suggested the ROFR sticky thread so it can be updated more frequently as new information is shared.

The final decision is up to you :thumbup:
Maybe a link to the sticky in the overview document.
 
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