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After 3 Vaping Deaths, CDC Recommends Not Using E-Cigarettes

Discussion in 'TUG Lounge' started by MULTIZ321, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. Rolltydr

    Rolltydr TUG Member

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    These are some quotes from your posts in this thread:

    “And yes, it is an addiction just like many other addictions and yes, they can be quite complicated. I've seen what addiction can do to anyone, even those who believe they are somehow above such behavior.”

    “I can tell you don't fully understand the heartbreak this causes both the individual and the families of those that suffer from any form of addiction.”

    “Many vaping products have been found to contain potentially harmful substances, including flavoring chemicals, Vitamin E acetate and other oils used for vaping marijuana.”

    “The inhalation of burning tobacco is well established to be carcinogenic. That means smoking can cause cancer. It is established science. Smoking contributes in a major way to almost all cancers, especially lung cancer and heart disease.”

    “It kills more than 480,000 Americans each year. For every person who dies this year from smoking, there are over 30 Americans who continue to live with a smoking-related disease.”

    “I won’t endorse or condemn vaping, however, we need to ask ourselves if we ban vaping, do we also ban tobacco and alcohol. These are just two products we know to cause death and serious health issues.”

    Now you’ve found what appears to be a blog post apparently written by someone who was a student at Penn State in 2016 when the post was written. Who is she? What are her credentials? I don’t know the answer to those questions but her current LinkedIn page shows that she is the founder of a production company that she runs in Philadelphia. She also organizes and supports women’s causes and charitable events. She sounds like a great person and very caring. However, she does not appear to be an expert in health and science. The blog is her opinion based on her non-expert reading of a couple of studies. She even says “I question these facts...”

    When anybody starts questioning “facts”, I’m done with them. The definition of fact according to Merriam-Webster:

    a: something that has actual existence - space exploration is now a fact
    b: an actual occurrence - prove the fact of damage
    2: a piece of information presented as having objective reality - These are the hard facts of the case.
    3: the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY a question of fact hinges on evidence
    4: a thing done: such as
    a: CRIME accessory after the fact
    barchaic : ACTION
    obsolete : FEAT
    5archaic : PERFORMANCE, DOING
    in fact
    : in truth - He looks younger, but in fact, he is 60 years old.

    In one of your posts above, you chastised me for being uncaring about people addicted to smoking. Yet, in many of your other posts, as copied above, you state how bad tobacco smoking is and how many deaths are attributable to it each year. Now, you link up o a blog post arguing that second-hand smoke isn’t really that bad.

    Explain to us, please, WITH FACTS, how inhaling tobacco smoke is very harmful to the person holding the cigarette, but not to those in close proximity who are also inhaling the toxic smoke.
     
  2. WVBaker

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    I can certainly understand your point of view, unfortunately I'm not going to debate the right or wrong of either viewpoints.

    I've noted my opinion and you've noted yours so, we can simply agree to disagree. I'm afraid obstinacy is not going to met with more obstinacy. ;)
     
  3. pedro47

    pedro47 TUG Review Crew: Expert TUG Member

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    Wal Mart just announced they are going to stop selling e cigarettes.
     
  4. Rolltydr

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    Or facts, apparently. Good day.
     
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    mdurette Sighting Expert & TUG Review Crew: Veteran TUG Member

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  6. MULTIZ321

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    I've always wondered about this...

    George
     
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    How much does genetics play into this? Why do some people smoke tobacco for 50 hears and no lung cancer or COPD? The % of people smoking tobacco today is drastically less that the 1960's. But the number of cases of lung cancer and COPD have not been reduced the same amount.
     
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    Because medical knowledge has increased and medical care has tremendously improved so we can cure some and keep many more alive for much longer. But, they are still living with cancer and heart disease. The one thing that hasn’t changed; smoking itself is no safer!


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  10. bogey21

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    If you won't I will. "I hereby condemn vaping"...

    George
     
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    I hereby condemn your condemnation. :whooopie:
     
  12. pedro47

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    Vaping should be a no no for teenagers.
     
  13. MULTIZ321

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