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Allegiant Air and "60 Minutes"

Discussion in 'TUG Lounge' started by VegasBella, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:23 AM.

  1. VegasBella

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    "A seven-month "60 Minutes" investigation into Allegiant Air, the Las Vegas-based ultra-low-cost carrier, found more than 100 serious incidents involving mechanical issues. "

    "Between Jan. 1, 2016 and the end of Oct. 2017, "60 Minutes" found more than 100 serious mechanical incidents, including mid-air engine failures, smoke and fumes in the cabin, rapid descents, flight control malfunctions, hydraulic leaks and aborted takeoffs."

    more info:
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allegiant-air-60-minutes-defensive-2018-04-16/
     
  2. Passepartout

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    I won't fly Allegiant at any price.
     
  3. buzglyd

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    I don't fly low cost carriers but any time I see 60 minutes, I have to consider the source.

    60 minutes hasn't had any credibility in years.
     
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    Trust me, this one is pretty accurate.
     
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    Even scarier is the lack of concrete action by the FAA.
     
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    Even more scarier'r is the fact that they continue to hire FAA employees and continue to avoid fines and action.

    Two the incidents that occurred were 'crashes' that were avoided by the crew with great responses.
     
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    That was one scary 60 Minutes segment.
     
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    Wow! We were thinking of flying them from Vegas to South Dakota to see Mount Rushmore. I knew they are a budget airline, but didn’t realize the extent of their safety issues. We will have to explore other alternatives.

    Best regards.

    Mike
     
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    They came into our town a couple years ago. We thought that having scheduled service to Las Vegas would be useful, as otherwise, all we had (and still do) is Delta to SLC 3-4 flights a day. Turned out, all Allegiant wanted to sell was air/hotel packages. Outbound flights to Vegas on Friday evening, and a return flight on Monday. No chance of using them to make a connection to anywhere. They lasted a few months and quietly folded their tent. It wasn't a safety issue, but one of convenience.

    Jim
     
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    Allegiant is on my "would not fly on a bet" list. (Spirit is as well.)
     
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    I just flew Allegiant last month and will fly them again. I flew Spirit last month too and will be flying Spirit again this weekend. I also use Frontier. Last year Delta made it off my do not fly list after 16 years but only because I didn't have another option for that trip. I've flown Jet Blue, Delta, United, Southwest, Air Tran, American, Continental and probably other major airlines I'm forgetting and have noticed things I wondered about on them too. I question the FAA more than the airlines.
     
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    The FAA representative should have never been hired. He was scarier than the Airlines many infractions.How can someone that weeak be in such a position????
     
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    Never flown them and never will. Last time I mentioned that on TUG, I was somewhat disparaged for stating that. I followed that airline for quite a while and I've not changed my opinion that the savings aren’t worth the risk. The chance of a total catastrophe might be low but being stranded or worse because of maintenance problems is certainly higher than other airlines. Having 40+ years in the airplane business, I’d rather go Greyhound than Allegiant.

    The FAA is equally culpable here. I’ve no problem with their change in approach to regulating but when problems like this show up, it DEMANDS immediate and strong action, not just a nanny nanny boo boo letter.

    Cheers
     
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    Ditto! That was one scary segment of 60 minutes...
     
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    I don't believe they offer connecting flights anywhere anyway. If you want to "connect", you have to buy two or more individual segments which means you would have to pay twice for luggage/carry-on.
     
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    Just an observation....

    My concerns are not based on the 60 minutes show....but they did a nice job to point out the problems.
    This is MUCH deeper than some 'media outlet' choosing a topic of the day for sensational headlines.
    IMNSHO, this is an endemic problem with the airline.

    Hopefully--for the passengers and employees--this will tighten things up and fix some of the issues without hurting pax or putting all the employees out on the street.
     
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    Help me understand something... you're already getting a huge price break with Allegiant, you want it to be safe too?
     
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    The NTSB is an agency with safety as a priority and one in which I have the greatest respect. Not so with the FAA. Promotion of air carriers and airlines in general is their mandate, not safety. The FAA only acts when deaths occur.

    There are a number of airlines which I will not fly no matter the ticket price: Spirit, Allegiant, and Ryan Air.
     
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    While it is true that most of their problems have been with older MD-80 Series Airframes and the JT8D Engines, I have great confidence that the slipshod maintenance practices will eventually result in similar results on their newer Airbus Equipment unless the FAA wakes up.

    Cheers
     
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    This gets at the reason I do not fly Allegiant. They only have a few flights each week to the destinations I have in mind, and they don't have interline agreements. So, if for some reason your flight is cancelled, it will be a very long time before you get where you are going if you aren't wiling to buy another ticket at last-minute fares yourself. Spirit is better in terms of frequency, but also will not write you over to anyone else.
     
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    I have no interest in defending 60 Minutes (and I'm not sure that Allegiant even operates in my geographic area at all), but I watched the subject piece last night and have to ask --- do you actually doubt the veracity of passenger eyewitnesses, video recordings or statistics and reports provided (even if only belatedly and reluctantly) directly from Allegiant itself in response to FOIA requests? With all the damning hard facts and evidence, what's not credible to you in this matter? :shrug:

    I would never set foot on an Allegiant aircraft. Cutting costs and staying low budget by skirting critical aircraft maintenance and repairs on (old to begin with) aircraft is (IMnsHO) indefensible and just flat out frightening as a company practice.

    The weakness of (and ongoing inaction by) the FAA is of course another matter entirely. :ponder:
     
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    Didn't the pilots union write a letter a few years ago regarding concern of the maintenance of the aircraft by Allegiant?
     
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    I won’t fly any low cost carrier. They have to shave costs somehow.

    I think the Tampa Tribune or some paper in the area did an expose on Allegiant. I still won’t watch 60 minutes. They blew all credibility in the Audi “unintended acceleration” days.
     
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    My biggest problem with the low cost carriers is that when ever there is any type of issue, you probably won’t get there on time, if at all. At this point in my life, I’ll pay a little more to get there.
     
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    You’re right. A bunch of Sun Country passengers just got stranded in Los Cabos.

    Years ago a bunch of friends planned a trip to Maui. They all flew Rich air. I flew United. Rich air went bankrupt a day before we were heading home. I had no problems as it was in the pre-beating era.
     
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