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Clark Howard hits a home run with Timeshare article

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Hard to get more informative than this, and hard to argue the references he uses to provide help for his readers!

https://clark.com/travel/how-to-get-rid-of-a-timeshare/

be sure to like/comment on his page, its rather rare to get such solid consumer advice from a mainstream media celebrity...kudos to Clark for still fighting the good fight!
 

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Home run, indeed!! A grand slam!

I don'k know how widely read is Clark Howard's website, but I would expect a bunch of new TUG readers and hopefully, members. TUG comes out very well.
 

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Clark Howard is my hero. His radio show is what led me to TUG over 10 years ago.
 

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I loved the article too and hope it brings a lot of new members to TUG. However, I found it interesting that just to the right of the article is a big ad, “Legally Cancel Your Timeshare” from Vacation Ownership Consultants. I can’t tell whether it’s an ad on Clark Howard’s site or if it’s plugged in by my browser, though - probably the latter, since I’m on my iPad, and I don’t think my adblocker works on it.
 

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I loved the article too and hope it brings a lot of new members to TUG. However, I found it interesting that just to the right of the article is a big ad, “Legally Cancel Your Timeshare” from Vacation Ownership Consultants. I can’t tell whether it’s an ad on Clark Howard’s site or if it’s plugged in by my browser, though - probably the latter, since I’m on my iPad, and I don’t think my adblocker works on it.

Probably the latter. I just clicked on the article and saw Google-type ads for a different exit/cancel/relief company.
 

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@SNA27 a Clark Howard article on how TUG has helped TS owners out of TS.
 

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I loved the article too and hope it brings a lot of new members to TUG. However, I found it interesting that just to the right of the article is a big ad, “Legally Cancel Your Timeshare” from Vacation Ownership Consultants. I can’t tell whether it’s an ad on Clark Howard’s site or if it’s plugged in by my browser, though - probably the latter, since I’m on my iPad, and I don’t think my adblocker works on it.

Probably the latter. I just clicked on the article and saw Google-type ads for a different exit/cancel/relief company.

Yep, I just opened it on our desktop, where the adblocker does work, and I see just a lot of blank space in the area where the ads were! Gotta get an adblocker to work on my iPad!
 

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Strange that the article was posted this week, but the comments on the website are 1+ years old.
 

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I ADORE Clark Howard. As a Canadian, a lot of what he says doesn't apply directly, but he speaks so much financial common sense. I have learned a lot from him and, with this article, my education continues. Bravo and thanks for posting this!
 
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Thought I would post this article written to show the difficulty we are having dealing with our timeshare resort Carriage Hills near Orillia in Ontario...
Carriage Hills and Carriage Ridge Timeshare Owners – I am writing on behalf of an organized group of over 1,400 people, who own timeshare intervals at the Carriage Resorts in Oro-Medonte, near Barrie, ON. The Group is representative of a much larger number of owners in Oro-Medonte and other timeshare resorts in Ontario, who have become aware of the difficulty of divesting themselves of their timeshare intervals. Because of rapidly rising maintenance fees (from $500 to $1,500) and inclusion of an ‘in perpetuity clause’, it is impossible to sell the timeshare interval, in fact, they can’t even be given away! Owners who can’t pay the maintenance for reasons of health or lack of income (especially elderly owners on pensions) are being heavily penalized for late or non-payment fees, and ultimately taken to court by their Home Owners’ Association, where they lose because of the perpetuity clause and structure in the contract that they have signed. Credit ratings are being destroyed, for otherwise, credit worthy individuals. In addition to the aforementioned, it is difficult for owners to rent out the units to offset the maintenance fees, as Wyndham (Management Company) rents units for significantly less. Even at death, the obligation does not go away. As per the Board of Directors of Carriage Hills Vacation Owners Association, the in perpetuity clause is interpreted to mean that the obligation passes to the estate’s heirs/beneficiaries; bleeding the estate for payment of maintenance fees on a product that cannot be sold. As a result, the group has formed to target the following objectives: 1. Remove the in perpetuity clause at the Carriage Resorts and find a way to deal with the ever increasing delinquencies and maintenance fees problems. 2. Seek legislative change at the Provincial and ultimately the Federal level to have the in perpetuity clause declared illegal; stop high pressure, misleading sales practices, and enforce fair sales contracts that have clearly laid out exit provisions in them. The group is actively applying pressure for change by invoking media involvement, by contacting appropriate government agencies, and receiving input from people with experience in creating change. For example, Irene Parker, a timeshare advocate from the USA has met with the group to offer advice and suggestions based on her experience. Pat Foran, CTV News has recently aired two segments about our situation. Change is happening elsewhere, many US states have changed their laws; Spain and the UK are understood to have abolished the in perpetuity clause; while Quebec, here in Canada has Bill 178, An Act to amend various legislative provisions concerning consumer protection as it relates to timeshare agreements and sales. One ugly side effect of the problem encountered is the emergence of agencies pursuing vulnerable/desperate owners to “get rid” of their timeshares. These are proving to be, by and large, scams as virtually no sales have resulted while substantive fees are paid on the promises, and monies are not refunded. The group needs the help of all owners and concerned outsiders to achieve the objectives by helping with “write-ins” to government agencies, by attending the Carriage Hills board meetings, by spreading the word that the timeshare industry must come in line with fair sales and business practices, using clear contract structures that include exit provisions. Sincerely, M. Jenkins Reflect
 

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Timeshare reselling is easy. Go on Redweek.com (after paying the $20 fee) and find the timeshare name listed on the site and look to see what the lowest resale value is for the same size unit
that currently are being sold. The buyer will pay the transfer fees. They are getting a deal.
Then list it for just less. I have sold many on the Redweek this way. Cost me the $20 basically.
Figuring I bought them resale and got value from them more than I paid for it.
It is not about making or losing money. I used the timeshare since 2008 when I bought it cheaply when the resale marked was depressed.
Now just underbid and sell your timeshare to another owner that will pay the maintenance fee and wants the timeshare at a good (for them) price.
 

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except redweek ads are much more expensive than 20 dollars?

id think the advice in the actual article is far more benefical to follow...as at the bare minimum the info is free...and at max they pay the $15 TUG membership and get it sold that way =)
 
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except redweek ads are much more expensive than 20 dollars?

$59.99 Basic or $79.98 for the Verified status and finally Full service at $125 (+$399 or 3% of resale price only when sold)
 

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If a deeded timeshare is put in an owner's trust, after the owner's death if all heirs named in the trust file renunciation of claim papers, is the executor of the trust ultimately liable for the timeshare?
 

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Did anyone try the link provided in Clark’s article for the $30 resale kit from TimeSharing Today? It won’t load on my computer and I don’t see anything on the TST webpage for purchasing such a kit. Is this sort of thing still available for DIY resale?
 

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Did anyone try the link provided in Clark’s article for the $30 resale kit from TimeSharing Today? It won’t load on my computer and I don’t see anything on the TST webpage for purchasing such a kit. Is this sort of thing still available for DIY resale?

I didn't look at it but thought a kit like this might make cents to have at TUG.

Bill
 

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I loved the article too and hope it brings a lot of new members to TUG. However, I found it interesting that just to the right of the article is a big ad, “Legally Cancel Your Timeshare” from Vacation Ownership Consultants. I can’t tell whether it’s an ad on Clark Howard’s site or if it’s plugged in by my browser, though - probably the latter, since I’m on my iPad, and I don’t think my adblocker works on it.
Probably the latter. I just clicked on the article and saw Google-type ads for a different exit/cancel/relief company.
I also see ads for timeshare exit companies playing before and after the YouTube video on his YouTube channel (that was in the article). Clark could utilize his Adsense account to block the Google ads on his website and YouTube channel for these companies.
 

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If a deeded timeshare is put in an owner's trust, after the owner's death if all heirs named in the trust file renunciation of claim papers, is the executor of the trust ultimately liable for the timeshare?
DON'T put the timeshare in a trust. When the owner dies the heirs do not inherit it, and can inform the company the owner is dead and the ts is just floating around aimlessly. The company can take it back for free, or it keeps floating around unused. This is with the assumption there is no mortgage on it. A debt may still be the responsibility of the trust.
 

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DON'T put the timeshare in a trust. When the owner dies the heirs do not inherit it, and can inform the company the owner is dead and the ts is just floating around aimlessly. The company can take it back for free, or it keeps floating around unused. This is with the assumption there is no mortgage on it. A debt may still be the responsibility of the trust.

It depends. If the timeshare has value and is out-of-state (for the decedent), titling it into a trust saves probate fees.
 

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A very good article but I think could have been made better by a couple of additions.

1 - it should have been stressed that the exit companies will charge thousands of dollars for their “services”.

2 - and that in many cases the exit companies, after getting paid thousands of dollars, will simply utilize existing deed-back programs that are available to any owner who asks.

3 - and if one is considering paying some exit company thousands of dollars an owner can do it themselves, and increase their chances immensely, by using a portion of the thousands of dollars saved and sweetening the sale offer (gift card, prepaid maintenance fees, paid closing, etc...). Assuming of course that a deed-back is not an option.
 
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A very good article but I think could have been made better by a couple of additions.

1 - it should have been stressed that the exit companies will charge thousands of dollars for their “services”.

2 - and that in many cases the exit companies, after getting paid thousands of dollars, will simply utilize existing deed-back programs that are available to any owner who asks.

3 - and if one is considering paying some exit company thousands of dollars an owner can do it themselves, and increase their chances immensely, by using a portion of the thousands of dollars saved and sweetening the sale offer (gift card, prepaid maintenance fees, paid closing, etc...). Assuming of course that a deed-back is not an option.
I would also really question the abundance of embedded links to these exit companies. I don't think enough emphasis was put on trying to avoid these outfits.
 

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It depends. If the timeshare has value and is out-of-state (for the decedent), titling it into a trust saves probate fees.
For OP, the heirs are not taking the ts.
 

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For OP, the heirs are not taking the ts.
Even if the heirs aren't taking it, transferring a timeshare that has value out of a trust is easier. If it isn't in a trust, causes more issues when a buyer comes along.

Of course, what has value today may not have value when you die.
 
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