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I'm going through reservations made with Destination Points for 2018 and now what I've made for 2019.

At times I find it hard to keep track because Owner Services will deduct points and add points back in the same transaction. They'll use some Elected Points, some Banked Elected Points, some Transferred Elected Points. . .

My year end calculations are differing by 900 points to what is reflected in my portfolio.

Has anybody ever found a miscalculation of points by MVC?
 

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We've struggled with that too. Fortunately, we only have a handful of transactions each year and have not found such a discrepancy, so far. If we found a discrepancy like that, we'd definitely be contacting MVC to research it.

I'm going through reservations made with Destination Points for 2018 and now what I've made for 2019.

At times I find it hard to keep track because Owner Services will deduct points and add points back in the same transaction. They'll use some Elected Points, some Banked Elected Points, some Transferred Elected Points. . .

My year end calculations are differing by 900 points to what is reflected in my portfolio.

Has anybody ever found a miscalculation of points by MVC?
 

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Has anybody ever found a miscalculation of points by MVC?

I've found them to be accurate and I've done a fair amount of just about everything, except borrowing. The points transaction history might be a good path to show what Marriott has deducted, so you can confirm with your own records. Good luck!

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I've had a few occasions where my totals didn't match MVC. It takes a lot of effort and time with a calculator but I've always been able to balance the books. I've never found an error on MVC's part. This past year with cancellations and rebooking's I came up on the short end about 700 points. I haven't reconciled yet and I might not as so far it's always been me who has been in error. I own 7 weeks and 4 of them get turned in every year for DP's. It gets confusing especially when after converting you use points one year but then cancel and put them back but then it becomes hard to figure out at a glance when they expire.
 

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I use to work in a credit card call center- you would be amazed at the number of people that would call in and complaint that their credit card bills were added incorrectly. Never did find one that actually was added wrong no matter how much the customer insisted that their manual addition on an adding machine was more accurate. LOL
 

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MVC would make it a lot easier for us to manage our points if we would be able to allocate banked points when making reservations on the website. I've been trying to do this every year since we were able to bank points for more than a year. I have never been able to use banked points for a reservation, so I have to use current year points to confirm the reservation, and then call back to reallocate them. My transaction history will show the initial points used, a credit for those points, and then the banked points that are actually used. To make it even more confusing, I often need to use enrolled points from several different resorts so it shows separate transactions for each. I guess I will have to start using an excel file to monitor this because it is difficult to manage on the website.:confused:
 

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I track our points very closely and have never had an issue with what is reflected in our account. We have cancelled reservations, made reservations within the discounted points time frame (30 days), and borrowed points. So far, so good.

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When you have a combination of points, enrolled points and trust points, can you select which points to use?
 

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I tried calling OS for help. That wasn't helpful.

Tried to sum up transactions made with points transferred to me. That didn't go well either because once points go to holding they are only designated as either trust points in holding or elected points in holding. It's no longer possible to know if the elected points were my own or elected points transferred to me.

Finally, I realized I could account for all the points I've elected since 2015 and points transferred to me since 2016 and deduct all my DC reservations 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019.

The number I'm not completely sure of is the number of points transferred to me. I know about the larger transactions but not the smaller ones. I can't find a history of points transferred to me since 2015. Do we get an email notice when points are transferred into our account, other than when we elect points with a legacy week?
 

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I tried calling OS for help. That wasn't helpful.

Tried to sum up transactions made with points transferred to me. That didn't go well either because once points go to holding they are only designated as either trust points in holding or elected points in holding. It's no longer possible to know if the elected points were my own or elected points transferred to me.

Finally, I realized I could account for all the points I've elected since 2015 and points transferred to me since 2016 and deduct all my DC reservations 2016, 2017, 2018 & 2019.

The number I'm not completely sure of is the number of points transferred to me. I know about the larger transactions but not the smaller ones. I can't find a history of points transferred to me since 2015. Do we get an email notice when points are transferred into our account, other than when we elect points with a legacy week?

Every time I've rented points, I've received an email from Marriott Vacation Club summarizing the number of points transferred and the name of the person who did the transfer.

Also, on my account, I can see every points transaction since we joined the program in 2014 under Points Transaction History - including the transfers-in. They are shown in two lists on that page - "Reservation Transactions" and "Points Adjustment Transactions". The transfers appear in the latter list along with banking, borrowing, etc.
 

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When you have a combination of points, enrolled points and trust points, can you select which points to use?
You can within reason, but with the myriad of complexities with banked, borrowed, Trust, Legacy, Transferred Trust, Transferred Legacy, etc, etc options, you are somewhat limited in how you can allocate the points when making the ressie online. If after making the ressie, its not exactly as you wanted, you can call a VOA and they can reallocate for you.
 

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Every time I've rented points, I've received an email from Marriott Vacation Club summarizing the number of points transferred and the name of the person who did the transfer.

Also, on my account, I can see every points transaction since we joined the program in 2014 under Points Transaction History - including the transfers-in. They are shown in two lists on that page - "Reservation Transactions" and "Points Adjustment Transactions". The transfers appear in the latter list along with banking, borrowing, etc.

Not on legacy accounts.
 

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Not on legacy accounts.

Are you saying that if you don't have Trust Points you can't see points transaction history when electing for points? Your elected points don't show up under "My Vacation Club Points" as shown on the attached screen shot below, and there's no History button like the one I circled in red?

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I can see the page you did a screen shot.

But in my points transaction history it does not show the times I’ve received points from other owners, not doe I get an email saying they were deposited.
 

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I can see the page you did a screen shot.

But in my points transaction history it does not show the times I’ve received points from other owners, not doe I get an email saying they were deposited.
Just want to make sure you scrolled down. As I recall, ressie info is at the top, and point ins and outs is down below.

[ETA] I just looked and you are correct, it does not show transfers. I believe it used to, but don't see them now. You can however see where you used Tranferred points if you click on the + sign of each ressie. So you can tell how you used them, but visability to points Transferred "in" appears to be lacking.
 
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I’m not saying MVC has made an error on my account.

I’m the one who was trying to account for points in 2018 and 2019. When my numbers for points elected or transferred into my account didn’t match the points for reservations I realized I must have pushed elected points back to 2017.

I went online and called OS. Without a history of points transferred into my account I can’t come up a total for the 4 years ‘16-‘19.

Called OS again to see if they had a history of transferred points (not elected) and the rep said they don’t.

I’ve kept spreadsheets since 2016 when I started electing points but I didn’t keep detailed records the first year for all points transferred in.
 
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I can see the page you did a screen shot.

But in my points transaction history it does not show the times I’ve received points from other owners, not doe I get an email saying they were deposited.

I stand partially corrected...

I went back and looked again, and while my transferred points DO show up in my reservations history (when they were used to book a reservation), the points adjustments do not show the transfers on mine either. When I looked at it the first time I just glanced and thought I saw the transferred points, but I just went back and looked again and the transfers are not there on mine either.

I know all my points are accounted for, but it is interesting that the transfers in do not show up there.

I do get emails for each transfer. See below with the names and numbers blacked out.

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Jim, would you look at the email address from Marriott on that email and copy it for me? I'll use it in a search on my computer and may find similar ones for all the transfers to my accounts. Edited to say I did find the right email address and have found some old emails regarding points in. Now I just need to find one transfer out.

Whew! I got it down to 1225 DC points on reservations not accounted for with my own elected points and the transfers I know about. A friend is checking his spreadsheets and getting back to me.

I've felt good keeping track of my points but I like to see balance sheets. The thing that sparked me balancing my account is I'm finally at a 0 balance and wanted to double check that the total credits matched the total debits. Simple accounting. However, if you don't have a history of transfers it's difficult to account for all credits. Odd that MVC doesn't show the transfers.

An oddity in my point adjustment history are 2 debits with comparable credits involving holding points (both transferred trust and elected). Same amount in and out so they zero each other out. All on the same date. Those are the only holding point transactions in the point adjustment history and trust me, I've had many holding point transactions. Looks like a mistake was made and corrected.
 
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I will add to the fun by saying that I DID identify a discrepancy - after splitting a reservation , cancelling, rebooking and the other occasional insanities involved in trying to book using the late stay discount I identified that the 'manual adjustment' that had re-instated a booking incorrectly cancelled by CS had been added in at full points cost despite being booked at less than 60 days out.

What is more worrying is that the first time I raised this, it took perhaps 2 hours with escalation and supervisor to get someone to understand and acknowledge the problem... He seemed genuinely surprised and said that he had never seen an issue with a 'miscalculation' before and it was ALWAYS 'user error' on the part of owners. He then assured me that he would sort it out, and that I should not worry but that it might take a while to get fixed.



The more worrying part is that he did not fix it, and when I called back I needed to spend an hour explaining to another CSR the exact nature of the issue before he accepted that it was obviously an error. He also promised to investigate and get back to me...

I never had any formal response, and I think the points (300 or so if memory serves) almost certainly never re-appeared in my account.

It is an absolutely glaring omission that marriott do not have any 'statement' in the account and that there is no way (even by calling CS) to get a formal statement of additions and withdrawals from your account for exactly the 'accounting' or 'auditting' purposes you describe.

Anyone with any US Audit or legal expertise here about the right to such records? I have asked CS and been told that "an accounting" of all transactions on my account could not be provided to me even on formal written request.
 
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I will add to the fun by saying that I DID identify a discrepancy - after splitting a reservation , cancelling, rebooking and the other occasional insanities involved in trying to book using the late stay discount I identified that the 'manual adjustment' that had re-instated a booking incorrectly cancelled by CS had been added in at full points cost despite being booked at less than 60 days out.

What is more worrying is that the first time I raised this, it took perhaps 2 hours with escalation and supervisor to get someone to understand and acknowledge the problem... He seemed genuinely surprised and said that he had never seen an issue with a 'miscalculation' before and it was ALWAYS 'user error' on the part of owners. He then assured me that he would sort it out, and that I should not worry but that it might take a while to get fixed.

The more worrying part is that he did not fix it, and when I called back I needed to spend an hour explaining to another CSR the exact nature of the issue before he accepted that it was obviously an error. He also promised to investigate and get back to me...

I never had any formal response, and I think the points (300 or so if memory serves) almost certainly never re-appeared in my account.

It is an absolutely glaring omission that marriott do not have any 'statement' in the account and that there is no way (even by calling CS) to get a formal statement of additions and withdrawals from your account for exactly the 'accounting' or 'auditting' purposes you describe.

Anyone with any US Audit or legal expertise here about the right to such records? I have asked CS and been told that "an accounting" of all transactions on my account could not be provided to me even on formal written request.

Your issue with Owner Services sounds like it's worth some Marriott Rewards points for your time and trouble.

The first OS rep I spoke with today was also negative with regards to an audit.

The second OS rep I spoke with today (to ask about transfer history) said he also wished they could see this to give to customers.
 

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Just want to make sure you scrolled down. As I recall, ressie info is at the top, and point ins and outs is down below.

[ETA] I just looked and you are correct, it does not show transfers. I believe it used to, but don't see them now. You can however see where you used Tranferred points if you click on the + sign of each ressie. So you can tell how you used them, but visability to points Transferred "in" appears to be lacking.

Not always. Once elected points go to a holding pattern and are then used they are only described as elected, not transferred elected or just plain old elected. So I can't tell what elected points were mine and which were transferred.
I can, however, tell the trust points that go to holding because I have no trust points, so they all would be transferred.
 

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This is just a crazy way of doing business.

I called OS once again hoping to get a better answer on whether the reps can see points transferred in an out. The rep had to go into her system. She then went through transfers from 2014. She could not see transactions for all the transfers. I was looking right at the email from MVC and told her I had an email saying I had a transfer. She still couldn't find an notation of the transfer.

I then asked again for a printed statement of all the in's and out's and asked her to ask a supervisor. She came back to say that wasn't possible. That we had to trust the system. We can't see transfers in and out on our online accounts but we can call just like I had done. I then reminded her that she wasn't able to find transfers that I had emails confirming. She said not to rely on the emails, rely on the system.

It's like a banker telling you they can't provide written data for all your account transactions.
 

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One more try here.

The last OS rep told me I had a transfer into my account in 2014. I didn't know about this. My online account doesn't show any election for points until 2015. I don't remember or have any record of dabbling in points before 2015.

How far back can you see records of elected points on your online accounts?
 

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As I read about these situations, I also recently noticed another issue for my recent reservations that raises my concern regarding point tracking. Previously, I always received an email for each reservation showing the point allocation for the reservation. This was in addition to the standard Marriott reservation confirmation showing dates and accommodations. However, I have not consistently received the point allocation email for some recent reservations. I also encountered the issue catharsis mentioned in that they did not initially charge me the discounted points for a reallocation. However, this issue was resolved with one phone call.

I've also noticed that cancelling or changing point allocation takes more time than it had previously. I was on hold for about 20 minutes today when cancelling one reservation and changing point allocation for another. The website issues are compounding these problems since we now have to call for a high proportion of transactions that could be eliminated by fixing the point allocation bug on the website.
 

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I think the moral of the story is to track your point balance before vs after each transaction you make to assure the remaining balances are correct.
 
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