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Marriott/Vistana overlay

Discussion in 'Vistana Signature Experiences (formerly Starwood)' started by GregT, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. dioxide45

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    When Wyndham bought Shell and Worldmark, they didn't combine programs at all. They pretty much all operate independently. They do have a limited cross booking feature, but only available to certain VIPs that bought direct.
     
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    Wyndham is now offering Shell owners the chance to get full club Wyndham access with a new purchase or a conversion fee (seems to be $2950)
     
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    I've been reading through and giving my thoughts in both threads (the one here on the SVN Board and the one over on MVC) and wanted to cross-post (apologies if this is a big no-no, but I thought ok in this case) my thoughts on how I think things might play out.

    What MVC could do is:

    1) for SVN trust flex Option owners, they use a different fixed exchange rate for each of the various flexOptions programs - say for Westin Flex you get 0.04 DC points for every Westin flexOption; for Sheraton Flex you get 0.03 DC points for every flexOption and for Westin Aventuras you get (who knows....perhaps 0.04, I have no idea how MVC will value Mexico). This doesn't solve the inherent mismatch between Maui and AZ/CA desert weeks within the Westin flex...but that is the worst of the issues and perhaps with some sort of skim MVC can manage it. I think the mismatches between resort demand in the other trusts is much smaller.

    2) for SVN weeks owners, they offer an option to enroll in the DC with your week being set at a fixed DC point value (completely unrelated to the SVN StarOptions value and based closer to similar MVC resort values), basically the same as what they did with MVC weeks owners when they launched the program. Yes, weeks owners will see a mismatch between the value ascribed compared to (1) above, but I think MVC could explain it away. Likely more in demand weeks/resorts (Maui. ski weeks...etc) will end up with a value higher than the fixed rate above and less in demand weeks/resorts (Orlando, mud weeks...etc) will end up with a value lower than the fixed rate above. For non-trust resorts, they don't have a true way to compare...and most of these are likely to be in demand resorts which would get a decent DC point value offered.

    I think the most marginalized in the above approach would be Platinum desert week owners (both CA and AZ) who would likely not receive nearly the same rate of DC points as Platinum Maui week owners (where in SVN they are on par). However, this may be as good as can get and I suspect it marginalizes the smallest group of SVN owners. MVC had to contend with some of the same concerns when they launched the DC program as many low value week owners were regularly getting high value trades in II. While there was a lot of smoke the first year or so, over time things have settled down and most MVC owners have come to find value in the DC program.

    Taken together, this approach also helps minimize the inherent mismatch in the SVN trusts. If they get enough weeks owners on board, the trusts stay a relatively small portion of the overall DC-SVN interaction and (2) above pulls the whole system closer to being on par with relative MVC resort DC point values.

    ONE silver lining in all of this that I hope is in MVC's mind and may provide a tiny buffer. The one clear advantage SVN desert weeks (and most SVN mainland resort weeks) has over similarly situated MVC properties is that our properties lock-off into two 1-bedrooms. This should justify a bit of a premium in DC point value over MVC resorts and narrow the mismatch a bit.
     
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    Great points. I do think the programs will operate along side each other and there’s will Be some sort of access given/granted/or paid for by some. As I've said all along, as long as I keep my star option booking at 8 months in the VSN booking and that trust is separate from others I’ll be quite ok with that. Personally, I have 2-3 of my favorite resorts and that’s all I’m interested in.
     
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    Maybe I should have held onto my developer purchase a bit longer lol. I’ll always have my mothers and aunts to fall back on if you need a developer purchase to play In the cross booking game. I truly hope they keep them separate with a cross booking feature. I think a minimal buy in to enroll each VOI into an affiliate exchange using II platform plus an exchange fee could be a good option. It’s a constant money maker on every booking for years to come. It wouldn’t require much change and it could be an upgrade at the POS on Sales presentations for new buyers. Makes it fair for all owners. They can assign “behind closed doors” points to VOI’s in the platform. You’ll see inventory based on what you’re putting in. Creates less angry owners who feel they are getting shafted on a More difficult conversion chart from SO to DC. But I’m still learning.
     
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    After reading a thread on the Hyatt Board, I am seeing that Hyatt is only offering a hybrid program that requires the purchase of points. Very similar to MVCs current program.
     
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    Hmmm....We have one enrolled Marriott unit (they enrolled us for free) and 5 Vistana units. Would this mean we would already be enrolled in the scenario you describe? Sounds like it might be a good deal for us.
     
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    If they manage it anything like they did for European or AP weeks, they would charge you the difference between what it cost to enroll one week and what it is to enroll two or more. Many that enrolled a single US resort were able to enroll their subsequent European weeks for only $100 or $500 (depending on if they were direct purchase or external resale). If you already had two enrolled Marriott weeks, adding additional weeks would be no additional cost.

    This is all a big guess though based on how they handled it in DC.
     

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