Maui Bay Villas by Hilton Grand Vacations

[Sandy VDH]

Beach is already like that now, with a sort of stone retaining wall for most of the frontage. Well looks like they got there funding back again. We did catch it earlier this year that they extended the build date. So this is the same location and design that was previously announced and approved by Maui counsel.

 

[hurnik]

Which resort are you referring to?

+1 I am very happy there is an HGVC option on Maui. We own an EOY at Westin Kaanapali and were considering buying another resale unit to extend our stays, but now we can stay here to extend our WKORVN visit for 2021 at a significantly lower MF than Westin/Marriott for similar quality. Plus Kihei will provide more island variety to the vacation.

I would much rather buy more HGVC points than add to our Vistana portfolio because I don't trust Marriott to not tinker with the StarOption system and devalue the benefits. Plus HGVC runs a tight ship so MF run about $1000 - $1500 lower than MVC/Westin - that can really add up over time.

Love the HGVC system and how it is expanding aggressively to add value to members (albeit at high point values) while MVC is mired in untangling the hairballs associated with the Vistana and Hyatt acquisitions.

There's only 2 Gold Crown resorts in Lahaina (near Ka'anapali) that i see via the HGVC portal:
Sands of Kahana Vacation Club
and
Ka'anapali Beach Club

The latter seems to be plagued with moldy smelling rooms, etc. as I believe it used to be an Embassy Suites or something and is in serious need of a rehab.

Granted, I've not stayed at either. Westin would be far superior from what I've read.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

@hurnik I agree these are a half star or more down in quality from HGVC, Westin or Marriott so it is hard to justify using expensive HGVC points to trade. I read that Sands of Kohana doesn't have air conditioning which would be uncomfortable in summer. I also considered Maui Hill in Kihei which seemed nice but still not quite HGVC quality. I believe it is located inland so you may have a very long walk to the beach

 

[Luanne]

@hurnik I agree these are a half star or more down in quality from HGVC, Westin or Marriott so it is hard to justify using expensive HGVC points to trade. I also considered Maui Hill in Kihei which seemed nice but still not quite HGVC quality. I believe it is located inland so you may have a very long walk to the beach

We own at Mauil Hill. We love it. But I'm sure it's not up to the standards of some HGVC (or others like them) owners.

P.S. Maui Hill is NOT inland. The resort is across the street from the beach and on on incline so that many of the units have an ocean view. Units are large, comfortable, and to us it feels like home.

 

[buzglyd]

I was referring to trading in with lower MF/club point Vegas property.

For owning in Hawaii, the MF for HGVC still run about $1000 to $1500 less in Hawaii on Oahu and BI. Kaanapali Westins and Marriotts run in the $2400 - $2900 for 2 bdrms. It is possible that Maui County will levy significant developer fees and tax the he** out of owners similar to the Kaanapali timeshares, since they have a history of being timeshare unfriendly when it comes to taxes.

My guess is Grand Islander style point levels so that 7000 point Vegas unit won't go very far.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

My guess is Grand Islander style point levels so that 7000 point Vegas unit won't go very far.

Agree, but can borrow/bank points. If that's not enough, could buy another resale low MF/pt unit for a fraction compared to buying Maui retail.

OR trade into Maui Hill or KBC via RCI. (It's nice to have more options.)

 

[dougp26364]

There's only 2 Gold Crown resorts in Lahaina (near Ka'anapali) that i see via the HGVC portal:
Sands of Kahana Vacation Club
and
Ka'anapali Beach Club

The latter seems to be plagued with moldy smelling rooms, etc. as I believe it used to be an Embassy Suites or something and is in serious need of a rehab.

Granted, I've not stayed at either. Westin would be far superior from what I've read.

I often wonder how rumors like smelly moldy rooms get started.

We’ve stayed at KBC and several DRI managed resorts over the years. Perhaps when Sunterra managed the property there were issues. The 2 times we stayed there the rooms were fine. The first before the refurbishement, the second time afterwards.

Here’s a photo album from 2015. Maybe not HGVC quality but far from smelly or moldy.

https://dougp26364.smugmug.com/Travel/TImeshare/DRI-Kaanapali-Beach-Club-March/

And from 2013 https://dougp26364.smugmug.com/Travel/TImeshare/DRI-Kaanapali-Beach-Club-April/

 

[hurnik]

I often wonder how rumors like smelly moldy rooms get started.

We’ve stayed at KBC and several DRI managed resorts over the years. Perhaps when Sunterra managed the property there were issues. The 2 times we stayed there the rooms were fine. The first before the refurbishement, the second time afterwards.

Here’s a photo album from 2015. Maybe not HGVC quality but far from smelly or moldy.

https://dougp26364.smugmug.com/Travel/TImeshare/DRI-Kaanapali-Beach-Club-March/

Reviews on Trip Advisor as well as the Trip Advisor travel forums.

Yelp reviews.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

Thats great news! I also expect high point requirements, but i still excited.

 

[alwysonvac]

Here’s the thread from the initial 2014 HGVC announcement before the property got put on hold. I’m happy to see it back on track.

https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/new-hilton-timeshare-planned-for-maui.217600/

 

[Remy]

Is that a street running between the beach/pool and the resort buildings?

I'm headed to Maui in June to spend a week at the Hyatt there. I'll have to check out the construction.

 

[Luanne]

Is that a street running between the beach/pool and the resort buildings?

I'm headed to Maui in June to spend a week at the Hyatt there. I'll have to check out the construction.

Yes. The beach is across the street from the resort property.

 

[dayooper]

Is that a street running between the beach/pool and the resort buildings?

I'm headed to Maui in June to spend a week at the Hyatt there. I'll have to check out the construction.

Have fun and take some pictures for the thread below.

 

[dougp26364]

Reviews on Trip Advisor as well as the Trip Advisor travel forums.

Yelp reviews.

That’s why I pay little attention to TripAdvisor or Yelp when it comes to timeshares. You even have to take the restaurant reviews with a grain of salt.

HGVC resorts on the big island had there TripAdvisor rating dinged by people ticked off because they stopped feeding the feral cats. They hadn’t stayed there but gave the resort 1 star ratings because they stopped feeding the cats...... and tripadvisor let the reviews stand.

 

[alwysonvac]

Just a heads up for those who don’t know.....

Kihei sometimes gets flooded when it rains - http://mauinow.com/tag/kihei-flood/

Maui Lu resort is located at 575 S Kihei Rd, Kihei, HI 96753.

From “Ask the Mayor: Does Anyone in the County Have Flood Information for Kīhei?” at mauinow.com (March 2017)

Q: With all the flooding in Kīhei last week, I’m worried that my home might also be affected by future rainstorms. I know the water often rushes downslope along the gulches from Upcountry, and want to see if my property might be in danger. Does anyone in the county have this information?

A: You can view FEMA flood maps online to see if your property is in or near a flood zone. Most old-timers like myself would also like to state the obvious: Kīhei was—and still is—a wetland.

However, due to the beautiful beaches and normally sunny weather over the years, we conveniently forgot about the marsh areas and water birds that call South Maui home.

It should come as no surprise that from time to time we are faced with flooding in low-lying areas, and that flood control projects will continue to be an expensive and needed fact of life.
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Special report: Kihei underwater (2011) - http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14702361/special-report-kihei-underwater/

PERPETUAL FLOODING AT SECTION OF SOUTH KIHEI ROAD CAUSES DETERIORATION (2018) - https://gokihei.org/environment/per...tion-of-south-kihei-road-causes-deterioration

 

[Luanne]

Just a heads up for those who don’t know.....

Kihei sometimes gets flooded when it rains - http://mauinow.com/tag/kihei-flood/

Maui Lu resort is located at 575 S Kihei Rd, Kihei, HI 96753.

From “Ask the Mayor: Does Anyone in the County Have Flood Information for Kīhei?” at mauinow.com (March 2017)

Q: With all the flooding in Kīhei last week, I’m worried that my home might also be affected by future rainstorms. I know the water often rushes downslope along the gulches from Upcountry, and want to see if my property might be in danger. Does anyone in the county have this information?

A: You can view FEMA flood maps online to see if your property is in or near a flood zone. Most old-timers like myself would also like to state the obvious: Kīhei was—and still is—a wetland.

However, due to the beautiful beaches and normally sunny weather over the years, we conveniently forgot about the marsh areas and water birds that call South Maui home.

It should come as no surprise that from time to time we are faced with flooding in low-lying areas, and that flood control projects will continue to be an expensive and needed fact of life.
​

Special report: Kihei underwater (2011) - http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/14702361/special-report-kihei-underwater/

PERPETUAL FLOODING AT SECTION OF SOUTH KIHEI ROAD CAUSES DETERIORATION (2018) - https://gokihei.org/environment/per...tion-of-south-kihei-road-causes-deterioration

Yes, I have seen the roads flood in Kihei. They really weren't built to withstand a lot of water. That said, Kihei is on the dryer side of the island and it doesn't rain often.

South Kihei Road (mentioned in the 2018 article) is at the other end of Kihei from where the HGVC resort will be. Our home resort Maui Hill is kind of at the end of South Kihei Road. There was some flooding when we were there March 2018, but nothing that ever impacted us. Maui Hill is built up, off the road. Maui Lu is on an incline. Not saying the possible flooding won't impact this new resort.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I imagine that since this is a new build that they would factor this into the excavation and drainage system plans. They may even excavate to build up the foundation levels of the buildings and build on top of that. This would provide a slightly better OV too.

 

[alwysonvac]

Yes, I have seen the roads flood in Kihei. They really weren't built to withstand a lot of water. That said, Kihei is on the dryer side of the island and it doesn't rain often.

South Kihei Road (mentioned in the 2018 article) is at the other end of Kihei from where the HGVC resort will be. Our home resort Maui Hill is kind of at the end of South Kihei Road. There was some flooding when we were there March 2018, but nothing that ever impacted us. Maui Hill is built up, off the road. Maui Lu is on an incline. Not saying the possible flooding won't impact this new resort.

The subtitle from the 2018 article states “ROAD FRONTING MAUI LU RESORT FINALLY GIVES OUT DUE TO NEAR CONSTANT FLOODING CONDITION AS KULANIHAKOI RIVER CONDITION WORSENS ANNUALLY “

I’ve added a map of the streets near the old Maui Lu resort (it’s location #20 on the map).

Here are other references to the flooding near the Maui Lu area.

“South Maui residents object to bridge project
Residents say project won’t stop flooding, offer alternative idea” (2019)

.....Residents in the Kalepolepo area next to the old Maui Lu Resort said flooding occurs often during heavy rain with the culverts overwhelmed by floodwaters and question whether the proposed project will remedy the problem....
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“7 Rescued From Kīhei Flash Flood, Motorists Stranded” (2017)

....Firefighters initially responded for a female being swept away in her vehicle by flood waters and were trying to locate her when crews came upon three other vehicles that were stranded or stalled in deep water along South Kīhei Road.

Wailea firefighters rescued a female in a Mini Cooper, and a male and female from a 4-door sedan whose vehicles stalled in high running flood water on South Kīhei Road, just north of Kaonoulu Street.

Four other individuals were found stranded on a bridge by fast flowing stream water just south of Kaonoulu Street. Two were in a car and two were pedestrians standing on the bridge outside the vehicle.

Maui Fire Services Chief Edward Taomoto said stream water a few feet deep was rushing over South Kīhei Road on both sides of the bridge. The stranded individuals decided to stay put and wait for the water to recede rather than chance crossing the gushing stream....
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[Luanne]

@alwaysonvac Sorry, I was under the mistaken impression the the property where Maui Lu sits was North Kihei Rd. My mistake.

 

[alwysonvac]

@alwaysonvac Sorry, I was under the mistaken impression the the property where Maui Lu sits was North Kihei Rd. My mistake.

No problem

 

[Sandy VDH]

In one of the stories I read it did mention drainage issues on the property, Just due south of the property is also a park with drainage areas in it as well. I will look for the article and post what text I saw.

 

[Sandy VDH]

This article previously posted also mentions "She explained that the site has drainage issues".

http://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news/2018/12/extension-okd-for-old-maui-lu-project/

Based on other postings, it seems if it is going to flood it is going to do it in Kulanihakoi Gulch area. But if the properties to the south are not flooding just the lower lying land that HGVC has just bought, I am sure this there are plans to re-mediate this for the property, but that means less space for more water to go.

 

[SmithOp]

Well now that we’ve trashed the beach, road, and drainage I feel much better about not wanting to buy or use my points here if it ever gets built.


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[alwysonvac]

Well now that we’ve trashed the beach, road, and drainage I feel much better about not wanting to buy or use my points here if it ever gets built.

Lol, well hopefully they will address each of these issues as much as they can.

Honestly, flooding and drainage issues can occur at any time on any of the Hawaiian Islands. It’s just that this area is known for it and folks just need to be aware and take precautions .

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/hnl/pages/weather_hazards_stats.pdf

 

[CalGalTraveler]

Well now that we’ve trashed the beach, road, and drainage I feel much better about not wanting to buy or use my points here if it ever gets built.


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LoL I guess I will have to suffer and stay there since no one else wants to go. What's that saying? "Still better than the best day working..."