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MVC Owner Update for Sheraton Owner

Discussion in 'Marriott Vacation Club' started by teddyo333, Aug 13, 2019 at 11:34 AM.

  1. CPNY

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    I would think the owners of undesirable resorts would want to book MVC. I would think most Westin owners would keep what they own for the most part.

    I would bet a ton of SVV and other voluntary resort owners would be traveling the MVC catalog of resorts each year :)
     
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    Just put some glue on the table, that should help the quarter stand up. Haha.

    I think they would start small and easy, maybe open up cross priority for VSN, HRC, and MVC resorts in interval for exchange in the short term. They can run it as a test to see how much it is utilized or just start there while they are working out a synergistic program.
     
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    Except I would expect the SVVs of the world would get a smaller point allocation than the Westins. They would probably give the Westins a much higher point allocation to tempt those owners to play in MVC. That's one way they get Hawaii weeks deposited to the DC Exchange - give their owners a boatload of Points to work with.
     
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    No disagreement w/starting small. A pilot approach (of some sort) would give them a way to establish a baseline (if they feel they need one). I think I figured out how to get my quarter to stand up. The answer was to spin it. See? All roads lead back to sales. :D
     
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    They no doubt would, unless they base it right off the star options chart. Or they could always re work the whole star option chart over and re set the valuations there too. Might be too much of an overhaul to do something like that. I was going to sell one of my deeds but I may keep it to see how it works out in the next year or two.
     
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    HAHAHA. cracking me up. The spin is always the way to go! Spin it fast and you can tell people it’s a nickel
     
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    I would think Westin owners might find the following MVC properties of interest, and if they got enough value for playing in the MVC pool, they could be enticed:

    KoOlina on Oahu
    Waiohai in Poipu
    Kauai Lagoons
    Waikoloa Ocean Club
    Aruba Ocean Club
    Aruba Surf Club
    Crystal Shores on Marco Island, FL
    Grande Ocean, Barony, and Surfwatch on Hilton Head Island
    Grande Chateau, Las Vegas

    Those are all high-quality properties in places Westin has no presence that Westin owners would likely feel very comfortable at.

    The VSE properties that could be used to entice MVC Owners would include:

    Westin Los Cabos
    Westin Lagunamar
    Westin St. John
    Harbourside at Atlantis

    The Hyatt properties have a lot to offer both MVC and VSN owners, but I still don't think we'll see them play in any way except maybe through II:

    Key West - Beach House, Sunset Harbor, and Windward Pointe
    Sedona - Pinion Pointe
    Carmel - Highlands Inn
    Bonita Springs, FL - Coconut Plantation
    Puerto Rico - Hacienda del Mar
    Sarasota, FL - Siesta Key
     
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    You’ll be waiting years!!!


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    Great assessment, although I disagree on the harborside resort at Atlantis. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be. I’d rather convert to bonvoy and stay at the cove. It’s decent but I think most MVC owners won’t find it up to their standards In accommodations. Aside from the access to the Atlantis, it’s just ok. I can bet MVC owners would run back to Aruba. Westin St. John is nice too but y’all have MVC ST Thomas which is just as nice and you don’t have to take a boat to get there.

    I agree on the Westin front. We know most Westin owners love Hawaii since most of the Westin’s are on the west coast anyway. They would probably want more Hawaii options.

    The beauty of owning SVV, EVERYWHERE pretty much appeals to me :)
     
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    I had asked earlier for a comparison between the various systems. Thanks for this post.

    I don't know much about these resorts other than the Marriotts, but 4 Hawaii Marriotts as compared to Mexico, USVI and Bahamas seems like an unfair trade. Same with most of the Hyatts listed.
     
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    I own Ko Olina, but I would rate Westin St John higher than any of the Marriott Hawaii resorts. At least you cannot get WSJ via II, but you can get any Marriott Hawaii from II. Also Sheraton Kauai is just next door to Waiohai and it’s newer, I would not agree Marriott has advantage in Kauai. But I agree, it may not be fair to compare other Westin in Mexico to Hawaii. However in reality, unfortunately, Westin Mexico or Westin Desert has the same valuation as Hawaii in SOs chart
     
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    That may be In your opinion but half the country is closer to the Caribbean than Hawaii. They may have no desire for 8 resorts in Hawaii between MVC and Westin. The only comparison you can do Is location, for the most part. Everyone has different tastes and desires in a resort. Someone who loves fishing may see zero value in the best resort in Arizona.
     
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    Which is why I’m happy with my SVV platinum SO valuations. I’d expect them to fetch low DC values which is why I’d have to really evaluate how much usage I’d get in a joint program. Added Priority within II May benefit some more
     
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    Just a reminder that there are quite a few other Westins and Hyatts (and Sheratons, too), I only listed the ones that to me seemed to offer the most value to MVC owners.
     
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    However Hawaii has Intl markets. Similarly to Vegas. As well as the Deserts. Ppl love these areas.
     
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    Don't forget to factor in that Waiohai has Ocean View options and even the Island View units are very close to the beach, whereas the Sheraton timeshares are all Garden View and require a walk across a road and through the hotel property to get to the beach. Yes, the Sheraton is newer, but MVC does a very good job maintaining Waiohai. We were just there in February and it is a beautiful resort. We made the offer on our EOY resale while we were on the Big Island a couple weeks later. I suspect many will find it preferable to the set-up at the Sheraton.

    Marriott also has Kauai Lagoons and Kauai Beach Club in the Kalapaki Beach area in Lihue, so I do think Westin owners will find that Marriott brings them value on Kauai.
     
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    Ya, I was at Waiohai last year. Are you talking about OV in Waiohai? Maybe 3 units have REAL OV I believe. I stayed at OV, but it was really just resort view and Island View probably can see more ocean than OV. Waiohai is very nice and just older. Sheraton is just newer and at least the pool is OF. I don’t see any difference in view between the two, perhaps you stayed at the real OV in Waiohai. I heard Lagoon is nice but I never been there. For KBC, I think I’ll pass if I have these other choices. Don’t forget Westin Princeville offers the true Westin experience, just the location may not be ideal for some.
     
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    There are only a few OV at Waiohai that would qualify as Ocean Front, but many that are ocean view - just some ocean views aren’t stellar. The best OV units go to multi week owners and other owners are next in line.

    We stayed in an Island View and that’s also what we bought when we came home. We liked our view in Feb. Would be happy with the same in the future.

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    Princeville where the Westin is has never appealed to us. Too cloudy and rainy in the winter.
     
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    I'm getting some pretty good information that suggests the upper level sales team has already had some training on some new introductions but time will tell.
     
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    infinity pool Westin Lagunamar lighter.jpg




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    (the second picture and the fourth are actual views from the balcony)


    I have met many Westin Hawaii owners that prefer to go to Westin Lagunamar on a regular basis rather than to their home resorts and the exchange is 1:1 in the platinum season. I also met Marriott owners that loved Lagunamar. Hard not to like it actually. You may not find it fair but those that have visited the resort do.

    I think it is also an East vs West coast matter. People on the East cost may find it hard to get to Hawaii on a regular basis. As a matter of fact, visiting Europe is much easier with direct flights to many big cities. So for them, travelling to Westin St John's, Westin Lagunamar or Harborside Bahamas may be an excellent option.
     
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    It will be interesting when an addition is made in any of these systems. They would be fully owned by the land trust and could be up for reservation grabs by all programs if you are in a high enough tier.
     
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    But w/using hotel points to stay at the Cove, I thought all of the rooms were just hotel rooms with no kitchen/condo amenities. Even if it was a nicer 'room', I would take a step down to have the full kitchen/condo space (to not have to eat out all the time and be able to spread out).
     
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    It’s more of a stumble down than a step. Don’t get me wrong. I love the Atlantis and the rooms are very nice. I’d see if you can book the reef with bonvoy. If you can I’d say go for that. Just not sure if you can book the reef through Marriott bonvoy. But there you can have it all. According to a few MVC owners here who have said it and believe it or not, MVC central sales “Marriott vacation club owners are Marriott snobs” (meant in a good way). I just don’t know how much you want to get on shuttles and be transported around a mega resort. Personally I love it. I get the room and building I want every time I go. It pays to know people lol
     
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    Couldn’t agree more. Lagunamar is a great resort from what I hear. To say it’s not an even trade is false. I honestly don’t know what they would offer in the Caribbean that’s better (not counting Ritz Carlton). St Thomas/st John the same. Bahamas/Aruba the same.
     
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    Never meant to create an Apple vs. PC debate, but glad to see the comparison comments.
     
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