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The resort opens on Saturday - April 1st.

When we were in St John we asked in our owners meetings when it may be available for "Staroptions" -- they didn't know or think that it was going to be open so soon.

Anyone else seen or heard anything on this resort? It is complete and all amenities open as of this weekend. Would be nice to have another resort to exchange into with the nicer finishes.
 

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In the WSJ thread - the email from WSJ-VGV HOA BOD also stated it will open April 1st (unless some weird April Fool's joke...).

This Westin Cabo resort is not mentioned on VSE website (Destinations), yet Westin Cancun and Westin Puerto Vallarta are listed, but have asterisk (*) that states that these 'Resort-Hotels' are not available for SOs.

Odd that Westin Cabo not even listed - but other 'Resort-Hotels' (currently discounted) are?

Funny - 10 years later - thread from 2008 (w/ jarta wisdom)
http://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/westin-cabo-san-lucas.87099/#post-636097
 
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My guess is that that the renovations for this property were well underway after the hurricane and before Starwood decided to spinoff their timeshare segment. So plans were well in the underway renovating these as hotel units. The other two properties perhaps were in long need of upgrades at the time of the spinoff. So they are further ahead of schedule to convert to timeshare. Why convert recently renovated hotel rooms before converting long overdue for renovation hotel rooms.
 

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You can use SPG points for reservations:


Studio Ocean Villas
  • SPG Member Exclusive: Prepaid rate fromUSD 251
  • or SPG Free Nights for 17,142 Starpoints
  • 506 ft² / 47 m²
  • Heavenly Bed and bath with jacuzzi
  • Living area with pull-out sofa
  • Kitchenette and washer/dryer
  • Private furnished balcony

Sea view, non-smoking: King + Double Sofa Bed

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  • 17,142 Starpoints
 

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Plus they already have a sales center and model unit in Cancun they can use to market the west in there. This is a big advantage, because it makes pre-sales easier. It's also a big reason you often see resort groups have a bunch of resorts in the same place. (Marriott on HHI/Palm Desert, Hilton on Oahu/Vegas, Hyatt in Key West, etc).
 

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One of my contacts thought that May will be when we may see this as an option in the SVN Network. It is coming, more a matter of when. Also thought that redemption values would be similar to Cancun. Anxious to see as it would be nice to have another SVN option in Mexico to exchange into, not necessarily own.
 

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One of my contacts thought that May will be when we may see this as an option in the SVN Network. It is coming, more a matter of when. Also thought that redemption values would be similar to Cancun. Anxious to see as it would be nice to have another SVN option in Mexico to exchange into, not necessarily own.
Are you referring specifically to the Los Cabos property, or the one in Cancun? According to this link (you need to log in to see the real details), they are only currently converting the three properties to timeshare.

EXCLUSIVE OWNER OFFERS AT THESE GREAT DESTINATIONS
We are excited to announce that we will be converting these Vistana™ Signature Experiences properties, currently hotels, into stylish vacation villas over time. As an Owner, we're pleased to let you in on exclusive Owner offers at these great hotel destinations.


SHERATON KAUAI RESORT
Situated among 20 acres on Kaua'i's breathtaking southern shoreline, the Sheraton Kauai Resort welcomes you to discover the island's beauty and warm aloha spirit. Enjoy cultural activities, locally sourced cuisine and more at this relaxing Hawaiian paradise.


THE WESTIN RESORT & SPA, CANCÚN
Get away to one of the most tranquil, tucked-away Cancún resorts. Nestled between a peaceful lagoon and a private white-sand beach, you've found the perfect escape, complete with watersports, four pools, award-winning dining, Heavenly Spa by Westin™ and much more.


THE WESTIN RESORT & SPA, PUERTO VALLARTA
A jewel on Mexico's sparkling Pacific coast, The Westin Resort & Spa, Puerto Vallarta is the ideal surfside getaway. Set on 14 acres of lush grounds, Guests enjoy a spa, tennis, swimming, close proximity to championship golf and more.

There is no mention of Los Cabos.
 

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Are you referring specifically to the Los Cabos property, or the one in Cancun? According to this link (you need to log in to see the real details), they are only currently converting the three properties to timeshare.



There is no mention of Los Cabos.

Exactly - 2 sources have discussed the opening of Westin Cabo as 'Hotel Resort' on Apr 1st - yet not listed anywhere in VSE - but Poipu, Cancun and Puerto Vallarta are listed.

Seems odd.
 

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We did an owner update this morning, and Cabo was brought up. They're looking to have it come online on a few months for Star Option reservations.
 

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I find it highly unlikely that they will open Los Cabos up to StarOption reservations any time soon since it isn't mentioned anywhere on the Vistana website where the other three are specifically mentioned about being converted to timeshare. I think they will continue to operate Los Cabos as a Westin Affiliated/Franchise hotel property. There is heavy construction going on at the Westin in Cancun, thus why they are offering big discounts to owners willing to book there.
 

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On the VSE website - it lists Cancun, PV and Poipu as 'Resort Hotels' and states that these are not available with SOs. They are offering ~20% discounts using cash.

I think we will see these put within VSN eventually (ability to use SO) - they needs sales incentives. Maybe it is just my hope to have more tropical VSE/VSN WVC resorts available for my impending retirement. :D

Regarding these reports on Cabo opening in April 1st - maybe it is meant (in Sales speak) that it will be added with the Cancun/PV/Poipu Hotel Resorts on the VSE Hotel-Resort list. Guess we will find out on Saturday (Apr1).
 

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I called the Elite line a few weeks ago to ask if and when Cabo would be in the VSN system. I was told the resort will move to VSN from the hotel side sometime in 2018. They will operate as a hotel until they transfer to VSN.

Even though they are reopening the resort 4/1, the construction is not complete. There will be ongoing construction and conversion to villas throughout 2017.

We decided to hold off on visiting this location until the construction is completed and reservations can be made with Star Options.

Rep also said they were told that VSN hopes to announce the opening of new VSN locations every 6 months starting with Nanea's official opening in June. Cabo most likely next in Jan 2018 and others mentioned Cancun/PV/Poipu will follow. Only time will tell....
 

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These are the resorts that were spun into Vistana at the time of the SVO spinoff -- a review for many.
Westin Los Cabos is one -- the resort opens April 1st -- as many have confirmed it will eventually come online for SVN just a matter of when. I am thinking May as my contact is pretty good with information and when they don't have the information they are very vague. When asked they were more specific. I have heard 2018 in the past too...but will hold off until all is done and options program is rolled out. I was most curious on "Seasons" and Villa Layouts too. Sounds like information is coming and it will come as they will want to get selling.
  • Benefit from additional anticipated inventory at Westin Los Cabos, Westin Cancun, Westin Puerto Vallarta, Sheraton Kauai, and Sheraton Steamboat – owned properties Starwood expects to transfer to the new entity for future timeshare development
Cancun is under construction very soon - the new 2nd resort (a make over of the Westin Cancun) -- I haven't heard anything on Puerto Vallarta yet. We were there last year for a nigh before Punta Mita and it will be a nice resort when they redo it.

I however, don't like the "Hotel" conversions as much these days. Bay Vista was a Hotel Conversion where they tore down to the concrete and rebulit. I like the layout better. The Hotel "rebuild" tends to be smaller and doesnt' seem to flow as well due to limited space and lack of add on. But most often - location, location. Would rather have options as any Villa is better than a Hotel Room.
 

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I was looking at the Westin Hotels site about this property. Has it always been a "Villas" type property. Here are the room types they currently have

Studio Ocean Villas
(46 rooms)
506 Square Feet / 47 Square Meters;4']4[l\

Each Studio Ocean View Villa invites guests to gaze at the Pacific from the comfort of a private furnished balcony. Sliding-glass doors lead inside, where elegant tiles run throughout a spacious open floorplan with contemporary hues and millwork accents.

Host small gatherings in the cozy living area with an inviting sleeper sofa—which sleeps two guests.

State-of-the-art technology includes a 55-inch flat screen TV with a Blu-ray player, a Bose® Wave® AM/FM/CD system, and wireless High Speed Internet Access.

The nearby kitchenette is well equipped with a two-burner cooktop, a microwave, a compact refrigerator with an icemaker, a dishwasher, and more, as well as three countertop barstools. A washer and dryer provide additional home-like conveniences.


One-Bedroom Ocean Villas
768 Square Feet / 71 Square Meters

Delight in serene Pacific views during downtime on a One-Bedroom Ocean Villa’s private furnished balcony. The interior’s clean, contemporary design is exemplified by sleek tile flooring, expertly finished woodwork, and sculptural elements.

Host small gatherings in the cozy living room with an inviting sleeper sofa—which sleeps two guests. State-of-the-art technology includes a 55-inch flat screen TV with a Blu-ray player, a Bose® Wave® AM/FM/CD system, and wireless High Speed Internet Access.

Enjoy a nourishing meal in the privacy of your villa at the dining table for four. The nearby kitchenette is well equipped with a two-burner cooktop, a microwave, a compact refrigerator with an icemaker, a dishwasher, and more. A washer and dryer provide additional home-like conveniences.


Two-Bedroom Ocean Villas
(99 rooms)
1,030-1,486 Square Feet / 96-138 Square Meters

Unforgettable Pacific Ocean panoramas await guests of a Two-Bedroom Ocean Villa. Two private furnished balconies—one off the expansive living room, the other off the master bedroom—are relaxing retreats at sunrise and sunset.

Inside, elegant tiles and contemporary neutral hues contrast with works of art and pops of color. A dramatic coffee table anchors a sitting area whose sofa bed sleeps two guests. State-of-the-art technology includes a 55-inch flat screen TV with a Blu-ray player, a Bose® Wave® AM/FM/CD system, and wireless High Speed Internet Access.

Host a memorable meal in the privacy of your villa at the dining table for six. The nearby kitchenette is well equipped with a two-burner cooktop, a microwave, a compact refrigerator with an icemaker, a dishwasher, and more. A washer and dryer provide additional home-like conveniences.


Governor Suite
(1 suite)
1,722 Square Feet / 160 Square Meters

The two-bedroom Governor Suite defines luxurious comfort, providing a true home away from home. An expansive balcony allows exquisite views of the sun setting over the Sea of Cortéz. Four guests can comfortably lounge on its furniture, and another six can be served at a nearby dining table.

The interior is beautifully decorated and appointed with premium furnishings. Positioned around a coffee table are a sectional pullout sofa, two lounge chairs, and two side tables. State-of-the-art technology includes a large flat screen TV with a Blu-ray player and wireless High Speed Internet Access.

The nearby kitchen is well equipped with an electric range and hood, a microwave, a full refrigerator with an icemaker, a dishwasher, and more. Its oversized island is complemented by six cushioned barstools. A washer and dryer provide additional home-like conveniences.


Presidential Suite
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2,238 Square Feet / 208 Square Meters

Situated on the resort’s top floor, the three-bedroom Presidential Suite has graciously hosted numerous celebrities and world leaders. Overlooking seamlessly endless waters, an oversized balcony is populated by an eight-seat dining table and two lounge chairs.

Behind a wall of glass, tiled floors grace an expansive parlor with an inviting sitting area, whose sectional sofa unfolds to sleep two guests. State-of-the-art technology includes a large flat screen TV with a Blu-ray player and wireless High Speed Internet Access.

Host an unforgettable meal in the privacy of your suite at the dining table for eight. The nearby kitchen is well equipped with a four-burner cooktop, a microwave, a full refrigerator with an icemaker, a dishwasher, and more. Its oversized island is complemented by six cushioned barstools. A washer and dryer provide additional home-like conveniences.

At the end of the day, retreat to one of three separate bedrooms—each contains a large TV and a king-size Heavenly® Bed with lofty layers of pure white bedding. The sleek master bedroom is furnished with a variety of handmade ceramics and other original artwork.



It looks like every room includes a kitchenette with cook-top and small dishwasher. Seems similar to the studio units at Lagunamar. Looking at photos of the 1BR, it doesn't look like a true 1BR with an separate and enclosed bedroom but rather a separate area that is separated with a quarter wall.

It seems that this property is perhaps the closest of any of the three to sales. At least based on the units. Not sure if all the paperwork is in order to convert it to and sell it as timeshare.

Perhaps this Los Cabos isn't listed on the Vistana site in any way because it really isn't open for occupancy at the moment. The other three properties are selling rooms for cash nights. It will be interesting to see what the SOs come out at. Can't imagine what they will be for the suites :eek:
 

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From the Dec 16 10-K filing
https://www.last10k.com/sec-filings/ilg#fullReport

Outlook

"We expect additional consolidation within the vacation ownership industry leading to increased competition in our businesses. This leads to challenges for our external exchange business that relies on new buyers for additional members. Through the growth of our proprietary clubs, we plan to increase customer engagement and generate new members.

Our vacation ownership sales and financing businesses are positioned to grow through development of additional phases at existing resorts, converting properties to vacation ownership, adding resorts in attractive markets and expanding our sales distribution capabilities. Over the next year we plan to open The Westin Los Cabos Resort Villas & Spa, The Westin Nanea Ocean Villas, as well as additional phases at the following resorts:

The Westin Desert Willow Villas, Palm Desert;

The Westin St. John Resort Villas; and

Hyatt Wild Oak Ranch.


Additionally, we are scheduled to open four sales centers in 2017 in Maui, Los Cabos, Key West and Bonita Springs. As we expand our sales distribution, we have faced competition for talent."
 

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Other interesting things from the same filing:

"Approvals for Expansion—Our ability to expand our vacation ownership business and remain competitive could be harmed if Starwood or Hyatt does not consent to our use of their trademarks at new resorts we acquire, develop or propose to franchise in the future.

Under the terms of our master license agreements, we must obtain Starwood’s approval to use Westin® and Sheraton® brands and Hyatt’s approval, to use the Hyatt® brand, in each case in connection with vacation ownership projects we acquire, develop or propose to franchise in the future. Starwood or Hyatt may reject a proposed project if, among other things, the project does not meet applicable brand standards or is reasonably likely to breach applicable contractual or legal restrictions. If Starwood or Hyatt does not permit us to use the brand in connection with our development or acquisition plans, our ability to expand our business and remain competitive may be materially adversely affected. The requirement to obtain consent to our expansion plans, or the need to identify and secure alternative expansion opportunities if we do not obtain approval, may delay implementation of our expansion plans and cause us to incur additional expense."

"Secondary Market—The sale of VOIs in the secondary market by existing owners could cause our sales revenues and profits to decline.

There is not currently an active, organized or liquid resale market for VOIs, and resale of VOIs generally are made at sales prices substantially below their original customer purchase prices. Existing owners have offered, and are expected to continue to offer, their VOIs for sale on the secondary market. As a result, these sales create additional pricing pressure on our sale of VOIs, which could cause our sales revenues and profits to decline. In addition, if the secondary market for VOIs becomes more organized or financing for such resales becomes more available, our ability to sell VOIs could be adversely impacted and/or the resulting availability of VOIs (particularly where the VOIs are available for sale at lower prices than the prices at which we would sell them) could cause the volume of vacation ownership inventory that we are able to repurchase to decline, which could adversely affect our sales revenues. Further, unlawful or deceptive third‑party VOI resale schemes involving VOIs in our resorts could damage our reputation and brand value or impact our ability to collect management fees, which may adversely impact its sales revenues and results of operations."

"Sufficiency of Maintenance Fee Collection and Budgeting—Our continued management of HOAs depends on their ability to collect sufficient maintenances fees.

Our management fees from HOAs are derived from maintenance fees levied on the owners by the associations. These maintenance fees also fund the operation, maintenance and improvements for the property. Many of the properties that we manage do not receive subsidies or resale services for foreclosed inventory from the developer. Once an association begins to experience a high default rate, if it is unable to foreclose and resell units to paying owners, the situation worsens as the maintenance fees on remaining owners continually increase to cover expenses. If the HOAs that we manage are unable to levy and collect sufficient maintenance fees to cover the costs to operate and maintain the resort properties, such properties may be forced to close or file bankruptcy and may terminate our management agreements."

"Permissions—Following the closing of the Vistana transaction, additional permissions may be required in order to market to potential customers....Because Vistana’s relationship with Starwood has changed as a result of the acquisition by ILG, for purposes of “do not call” and similar legislation in some jurisdictions, it may be more difficult for Vistana to utilize customer information it obtains from Starwood in the future, and as a result, maintain compliance with applicable legislation. This could diminish the effectiveness of existing marketing practices and adversely affect the business."

"Our Exchange and Rental segment results are susceptible to variations in economic conditions, particularly in its largest vacation rental market, Hawaii. According to the Hawaii Tourism Authority, visitor arrivals by air in Hawaii increased 3.1% while visitor expenditures increased 4.2% for the year ended December 31, 2016 compared to the prior year.

As of the latest forecast (February 2017), the Hawaii Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism forecasts increases of 1.5% in visitors to Hawaii and 2.9% in visitor expenditures in 2017 over 2016."

"An increasingly important part of the value proposition we provide to our members consists of rentals. In the Interval Network, Getaways provide additional discounted vacation opportunities for members without the need to exchange their VOIs. Our proprietary clubs rent inventory in order to provide exchange opportunities to branded hotels through the SPG and Hyatt Gold Passport/World of Hyatt programs, as applicable. These rentals and our Aqua-Aston business are sensitive to general economic conditions, inventory supply and pricing in the applicable markets."
 

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Additionally, we are scheduled to open four sales centers in 2017 in Maui, Los Cabos, Key West and Bonita Springs. As we expand our sales distribution, we have faced competition for talent."
Why wouldn't they already have a sales center in Maui? For both Hyatt and Vistana?
 

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Just a heads up. It will be a nice option for use with StarOtions within the Vistana network, but if you plan on booking there, you should be aware that the Westin complex (Club Regina, Westin Los Cabos, and Grand Regina) is in the corridor between the towns of San Jose del Cabo and Cabo San Lucas. (See map below from the www.LosCabosGuide.com ) We've stayed in both the Grand Regina and Club Regina (with full access to the Westin resort), and think it has a really spectacular setting, but we always rented a car, and spent a lot of time on the road. You can hike down to the highway and catch a local bus to take you to San Jose or CSL, or you can take a taxi. The local taxi union is very powerful and the fares to town are $20-40USD each way. It is not going to be like Lagunamar, where you're right in the center of things.

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It will be great to have more options for SO use.
I hope they fix the directions from the airport to the Westin Los Cabos on the Vistana website.

arg... no 1Bd villas (?)
 

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It will be great to have more options for SO use.
I hope they fix the directions from the airport to the Westin Los Cabos on the Vistana website.

arg... no 1Bd villas (?)
They show 1BR unit types on the hotel website. Not sure why they aren't showing any floor plans for it on the Vistana site.
 

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It will be great to have more options for SO use.
I hope they fix the directions from the airport to the Westin Los Cabos on the Vistana website.

arg... no 1Bd villas (?)
Okay. I looked at the floor plans again. It looks like what they did was turn the former 1BR units along with a studo unit that was beside it. If you look at the area at the top where the two bathroom sinks are, it seems that they put those sinks in front of the former entry way. It would have been nice if they somehow configured that as a 2BR lock off and been able to still reserve the 1BR side or the studio side.

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The 2BR villa (non premium) just looks like two studio units configured side by side to make up a 2BR. The square footage seems to fit that as well.

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It is nice that there are washer and dryers in all units.
 

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It will be great to have more options for SO use.
I hope they fix the directions from the airport to the Westin Los Cabos on the Vistana website.

arg... no 1Bd villas (?)

I think this is exciting. We love Cabo. We were at Villa del Arco last year and it was nice and close to everything but our previous trip we stayed at the Hilton halfway between the 2 towns and it was $20 each way to either town. A rental car would be necessary if you want to travel between the 2 towns daily. We loved San Jose del Cabo much more than Cabo San Lucas so we would probably always head in that direction.

I've got to say that I think this is superior to the Pulse Propertiies that Marriott is doing. I'm impressed that Vistana (or Starwood) is still developing real timeshare resorts.
 

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I've got to say that I think this is superior to the Pulse Propertiies that Marriott is doing. I'm impressed that Vistana (or Starwood) is still developing real timeshare resorts.
I do like this too. Though in fairness, Los Cabos is a hotel conversion. Though I think it helps that it was a Villas type of hotel already. So they were able to convert to more traditional type of timeshare unit vs the normal disappointing Marriott type conversion.
 

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Just a heads up. It will be a nice option for use with StarOtions within the Vistana network, but if you plan on booking there, you should be aware that the Westin complex (Club Regina, Westin Los Cabos, and Grand Regina) is in the corridor between the towns of San Jose del Cabo and Cabo San Lucas. (See map below from the www.LosCabosGuide.com ) We've stayed in both the Grand Regina and Club Regina (with full access to the Westin resort), and think it has a really spectacular setting, but we always rented a car, and spent a lot of time on the road. You can hike down to the highway and catch a local bus to take you to San Jose or CSL, or you can take a taxi. The local taxi union is very powerful and the fares to town are $20-40USD each way. It is not going to be like Lagunamar, where you're right in the center of things.

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I am interested in learning more about the area. Quick checks make it look like there really isn't much to do around there like you would fine in Cancun or Riviera Maya area where we have traveled previously. I will have to check out the TripAdvisor forum for the area.
 
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