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I have watched several tributes to Joan Rivers recently. I can see now how groundbreaking a performer she was in the early days of the Carson show. She was blue when it was basically impossible for tv at that time and really funny. Additionally, according to fashion experts who spoke on some of these shows, she was spot on with her fashion criticisms on the red carpet and had a great fashion sense. I will definitely miss her presence and still wonder what actually happened to cause her death. She was not ill at the time she went for the minor procedure.
 

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Just watched a documentary called Joan Rivers, A Piece of Work. Probably about the last behind the scenes look. It was filmed around the time she did her stint on Celebrity Apprentice, which she acknowledge near the end of the show turned her career back around.

Very interesting - she was absolutely driven to succeed, tremendous willpower.
 

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You are so fortunate to have those! The people who had their photos taken with her must be in shock. From your first post, I see you got an autographed copy of her book. Pretty good. Did she sign it in front of you?

It was a surprise that we were getting the books. I thought we would have the option to purchase, but there was a stack of pre signed books for us as we exited the room!
 

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One of the people who was involved in filming the documentary commented that the crew could only do 3 day stints because they couldn't keep up with Joan and they were only in their 30's! In one interview Joan was asked what her greatest fear was. She took her day planner and opened to the future where there was nothing scheduled. She said an empty day planner was her greatest fear because that would mean that no one wanted her.
 

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I believe in my heart Joan Rivers was pleased with her homecoming celebration.
 
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A little something I picked up off Mike Rowe's FB page

Mike Rowe (from Dirty Jobs fame), posted this on his Facebook page, about his first meeting of Joan Rivers on QVC. I am not one to follow celebs on Facebook, but his page is definitely worth the read. >>>>

It was late September, 1991. I had been fired from QVC a few months earlier, (justifiably,) rehired, (inexplicably,) and banished to the graveyard shift for my sins, (permanently.) There was a nasty flu going around, and most of the prime-time hosts were home puking their guts up. So I was summoned on a rainy Saturday afternoon to fill in for one of the stricken. I was halfway through a riveting hour called “Ideas to Make Your Life Easier,” and reflecting on the troubling trajectory of my career in television, when Joan Rivers walked into the studio.

Joan was spending the entire weekend at QVC, touting her line of clothing and jewelry. I’d never met her, and it was unthinkable that my boss would have ever allowed us on the same stage at the same time. QVC was committed to earnest, heartfelt, G-Rated content. I was not. Which is why I rarely saw the light of day. Joan was scheduled to appear later that evening with a more reputable host, but on her way to the greenroom, she stopped in front of the stage and watched as I explained the mysterious virtues of The Healthteam Infrared Pain Reliever. Then she pulled something out of her giant purse, walked onto the set, and began asking me questions on live TV.

“Oh my God,” she said. “Where did you get that tie?”

“I beg your pardon?”

“Your tie,” she said. “It’s awful. Did you steal it from a Lutheran?”

“Actually, I made it myself,” I said. “On a loom in my attic.”

“Well it’s truly hideous,” said Joan. “And what’s up with that suit? You look like an unmade bed.”

“Thanks,” I said. “It helps me sleep on the job. You look positively radiant though, if I may be so bold.”

“Well look a little closer,” she said. “One more facelift and I’ll have a goatee.”

It took me a second, but when the image sunk in, I chortled. I may have even guffawed. Had I worn dentures, I’d have likely spit them across the room.

“You seem like a nice young man. It’s a shame you don’t have any taste. Is there a woman in your life?”

“Several,” I replied. “But none that can compete with your many years of experience.”

Joan laughed and gave me the finger. She then presented me with a “Tie-Button Tie,” a fancy piece of silk with a button-hole in the back that allowed a gentleman to affix the tie to the button on his shirt in a way that - in her words - “might keep it from swinging into the spaghetti sauce the next time I took one of my “special ladies” out for a big night at The Olive Garden.”

She went on to tell me about the various other trinkets and fashion designs that would appear in the following hour. She showed me a simulated diamond set in 14-carat gold and suggested it would be perfect for any of the women in my life. “Remember ladies, fake jewelry doesn’t have to make you look like a slut, even if you are one.”

She also described a stretch jersey in her fashion line as as “a pretty little thing with a nice comfortable lining that won’t get stuck in your ass-crack.”

Joan made me laugh, partly because she was funny, but mostly because I knew my many masters were trembling in fear as they watched from home, thrilled by the fact that millions of people were tuning in to see Joan Rivers, but equally horrified by the prospect of what she might say next. In this way, she became heroic to me.

I didn’t see Joan for the next year and a half. By then, she had become a fixture at QVC, and was well on her way to selling a billion dollars of stuff. Literally - a billion. I on the other hand, was still sequestered away at 3am, hawking products that appeared to have been sourced from the midway of a condemned carnival. But then, I caught a break. QVC and CBS agreed to produce a pilot around Joan, tentatively called “Can We Shop?” Under the terms of the deal, Joan could select any of the QVC Hosts to work with her as a co-host. For reasons I still don’t understand, she picked me.

I can’t express how profoundly surprising this decision was - to me, my fellow QVC hosts, and most of all, to those who had consigned me to the graveyard shift. It was madness to reward a smart-aleck who routinely made fun of the products he was entrusted to sell, but Joan insisted, and the next thing I knew, I was sitting next to her on a soundstage in New York City, doing my very best Ed McMahon impression. Go figure.

In television, like anything else, way leads on to way. You don’t always know the significance of a thing when it happens. But this was different. Appearing on CBS with Joan Rivers was the first thing I did that actually looked legitimate, and I knew I had turned a corner. Sitting there with Joan, cracking wise in a CBS studio in front of a live audience, I finally came to believe that somewhere, a job was waiting for me in television that didn’t involve a 2 am wake-up call.

I left QVC soon after that, and never saw Joan Rivers again. Not in person, anyway. Like the rest of the world, I saw her on the red carpet, and I watched her shenanigans here and there. How could you not? Icons have a way of being everywhere at once. I also watched her documentary a few years ago - A Piece of Work. I wanted to call her after that, and tell her how brave it was to be that forthcoming. I wish that I had.

I remember a holiday party at her penthouse on 5th Avenue. It was a black-tie affair, but I wore one of her Tie-Button Ties, which amused her to no end. I also brought her some cookies. My mother - upon learning that I would be visiting a bone fide celebrity in her actual home - was afraid I might arrive empty-handed, or worse, with a six-pack of Rolling Rock tucked under my arm. So she made a tin of chocolate chip cookies, and told me to give them to Mrs. Rivers with her compliments. Which I did.

I don’t know if she actually ate them, but she accepted them with grace, and placed them next to a menorah. That still makes me laugh.

RIP, Joan.
And thank you, very much.
 

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Thanks for posting that, Laura. I enjoyed a hearty laugh- though my dentures stayed in place. Now that we all know you are a closeted 'celebrityfile', you can rest easy. We won't tell hardly anybody.

Now, if I can find a link to the Howard Stern eulogy that brought the house down, changed the entire tempo of her funeral, and was unsuitable to be posted on any of the mainstream news outlets I frequent.

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I have to admit I never really thought or cared about Joan Rivers before she died. However, reading a lot about her now she really was a pioneer and a great talent!

I wonder what zinger she would come up with to describe her own death due to "minor" throat surgery!

I actually hate the term minor surgery. Cataract surgery is often described as minor, but an eye can be blinded with cataract surgery. It's rare, but it does occur in about 1 out of every 500-1000 cases. I really feel for the surgeon who did her surgery. Nobody ever wants something like this to happen let alone on a major celebrity.
 

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Thanks for posting that, Laura. I enjoyed a hearty laugh- though my dentures stayed in place. Now that we all know you are a closeted 'celebrityfile', you can rest easy. We won't tell hardly anybody.

Now, if I can find a link to the Howard Stern eulogy that brought the house down, changed the entire tempo of her funeral, and was unsuitable to be posted on any of the mainstream news outlets I frequent.

Jim


Jim, this link is the best I could find. Read it till the end, especially Margaret Cho's comments. You'll get a strong idea what the eulogy was like. I can't help but think there is something very wrong with laughing in church, but I'd have been on the floor. :)

http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/09/howard-sterns-eulogy-for-joan-rivers-was-so-wrong-but-so-right/

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Jim, this link is the best I could find. Read it till the end, especially Margaret Cho's comments. You'll get a strong idea what the eulogy was like. I can't help but think there is something very wrong with laughing in church, but I'd have been on the floor. :)

http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/09/howard-sterns-eulogy-for-joan-rivers-was-so-wrong-but-so-right/

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Yea...um.... In a place of worship....

There's funny and there's crass . Joan knew the difference. Howard stern does not. But then, I'd never accuse him of being the former...:rolleyes:
 

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Joan would have loved every minute of it. I'm sure she's up there doing her Fashion Police critique on all the people who attended her memorial. Can you imagine what she would have said about Whoppi's outfit? I'm laughing just thinking about it.
 

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Joan Rivers' Doctor No Longer Working at New York Clinic - from Reuters/ Yahoo!News/ yahoo.com

NEW YORK (Reuters) - "The doctor who performed the outpatient throat procedure on comedian Joan Rivers, who died last week in a New York hospital, is not currently working there, the clinic said on Friday."

and more info about the doctor and the clinic:
Joan Rivers' Clinic Dumps Medical Director, Report Says - Entertainment/ Fox News/ foxnews.com

"Dr. Lawrence Cohen, the doctor who was reportedly serving as medical director at a New York City clinic when Joan Rivers went into cardiac arrest, is no longer working with the clinic.

According to The Insider With Yahoo, Dr. Cohen was asked to step down..."

I find it strange that a gastroenterologist was doing the "procedure", if reports are true that Joan Rivers was have surgery on her vocal cords. I would have thought an otolaryngologist (ENT Specialist) would have been doing the procedure.

The Fox News link says the clinic reported they do not do General Anesthesia - rather they do "Monitored Anesthesia Care". For those
interested in learning about the difference, see this link:
Types of Anesthesia


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My ENT doesn't do endoscopies. He recommended that I have it done in conjunction with a colonoscopy. The Dr who does the colonoscopy is a gastroenterologist. It's not odd that the endo was being performed by a gastro.
 

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Additional information about the circumstances leading to Joan's death:

Joan Rivers Death: Yorkville Medical Medical Director Fired - by Stephanie Webber/ News/ USMagazine.com

..."As previously reported, the comedienne and E! Fashion Police host stopped breathing while undergoing an outpatient procedure on her vocal cords on Aug. 28 and was later pronounced dead at the age of 81 on Sept. 4, at New York City's Mount Sinai Hospital. Nearly a week later, the New York Daily News reported that an unplanned throat biopsy led to her untimely death.

According to the report, Rivers had "a diagnostic procedure [to] see why her voice had gotten raspy." When the doctor found "something" on her vocal cords, however, another doctor — whom she brought along with her — asked if he could perform a biopsy. CNN previously reported that the clinic denied that a biopsy ever took place at the facility. "

and for additional info see:
Joan Rivers' Death Still a Mystery as Reports Swirl About Clinic - from Fox News/ foxnews.com

"A shroud of mystery still surrounds Joan Rivers’ Sept. 4 death.

Rivers stopped breathing and went into cardiac arrest during a procedure at a New York City clinic on Aug. 28. She was then taken to Mount Sinai Hospital and placed on life support. Seven days later, she died.

That much we know.

What we don’t know, is exactly what happened at Yorkville Endoscopy that caused the 81-year-old’s health to rapidly take a turn for the worse.

A report on Wednesday seemed to place the blame on an unplanned biopsy that supposedly was done at the clinic. The New York Daily News, citing medical sources with knowledge of the case, published a story claiming a biopsy on Rivers' vocal cords was done by a doctor who arrived at Yorkville Endoscopy with her, and she was placed under general anesthesia at the time.

But the New York City clinic denies ever having performed a biopsy of the vocal cords at their facility. Furthermore, Yorkville Endoscopy insists Rivers could not have been under general anesthesia, either..."

I'm curious about the background and training of the Physician who, according to the reports, came with Joan to the clinic and reportedly asked to perform the vocal cord biopsy. Perhaps that physician was an ENT specialist.


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Side effect of Propofol

Spoke to a doctor today and reports among the medical community speculate that due to her age she may have been given a dose of propofol that was inappropriate for her age. She may have suffered a side effect from the dosage. Can one of the MD's here on TUG comment about the side effects of propofol in older adults and what side effects may occur.

As we all know Michael Jackson died as a result of propofol.

In fact this doctor came right out and said 'You know Joan Rivers died from propofol'. Boy was that an interesting conversation.
 

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Spoke to a doctor today and reports among the medical community speculate that due to her age she may have been given a dose of propofol that was inappropriate for her age. She may have suffered a side effect from the dosage. Can one of the MD's here on TUG comment about the side effects of propofol in older adults and what side effects may occur.

As we all know Michael Jackson died as a result of propofol.

In fact this doctor came right out and said 'You know Joan Rivers died from propofol'. Boy was that an interesting conversation.

Propofol is an extremely commonly used drug for the induction of anesthesia. It acts quickly and it wears off quickly. It puts people to sleep for 5-10 minutes depending on the dose and then they quickly wake up. The anesthesiologist I work with uses it on pretty much every cataract I do so I can apply my numbing injection and the patient quickly wakes up with no memory of me giving the injection. They're then awake and comfortable for the rest of the case. That's why the way Michael Jackson was using it was nuts! He was using it as a continuous drip to help him sleep which is just crazy. He died because he was on a continuous drip of the stuff and he was not being monitored as Dr. Murray was distracted talking to his many girlfriends.

That being said, I doubt that propofol played a major role in her death. I don't have any insider knowledge, but IMO she probably bled excessively from whatever they were doing on her vocal cords (biopsy, procedure, whatever) and she aspirated that blood effectively clogging her airway and causing her to go into respiratory arrest. The propofol alone in a monitored setting should not send her into respiratory arrest. Again, I use it routinely on patients a lot older then Joan.
 

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I read that her autopsy was inconclusive and did not pinpoint a cause of death.
 

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RIP Joan Rivers! Funny Lady!
 

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Propofol is an extremely commonly used drug for the induction of anesthesia. It acts quickly and it wears off quickly. It puts people to sleep for 5-10 minutes depending on the dose and then they quickly wake up. The anesthesiologist I work with uses it on pretty much every cataract I do so I can apply my numbing injection and the patient quickly wakes up with no memory of me giving the injection. They're then awake and comfortable for the rest of the case. That's why the way Michael Jackson was using it was nuts! He was using it as a continuous drip to help him sleep which is just crazy. He died because he was on a continuous drip of the stuff and he was not being monitored as Dr. Murray was distracted talking to his many girlfriends.

That being said, I doubt that propofol played a major role in her death. I don't have any insider knowledge, but IMO she probably bled excessively from whatever they were doing on her vocal cords (biopsy, procedure, whatever) and she aspirated that blood effectively clogging her airway and causing her to go into respiratory arrest. The propofol alone in a monitored setting should not send her into respiratory arrest. Again, I use it routinely on patients a lot older then Joan.


Thanks for the explanation. Although the gentlemen I met was indeed a doctor, I did have a big question about his comment of propfol. I have been given propofol in the past for an endoscopy and colonoscopy.
 

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Federal Inquiry Finds Numerous Violations During Joan Rivers's Treatment - By Anemona Hartocollis/ N.Y./Region/ The New York Times.com

"A Manhattan clinic treating Joan Rivers in August did not notice that her vital signs were deteriorating for at least 15 minutes before she went into cardiac arrest, leading to her death several days later, a federal investigation has found.

Released on Monday, a report said that Ms. Rivers’s blood pressure and pulse decreased precipitously while she was on the operating table on Aug. 28 between 9:12 and 9:26 a.m., yet cardiopulmonary resuscitation began at 9:28 at the earliest.

“The physicians in charge of the care of the patient failed to identify deteriorating vital signs and provide timely intervention during the procedure,” said the report, issued by investigators for the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services..."

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Joan Rivers died at Mount Sinai Hospital on Sept. 4. Credit Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images


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Anesthesiologist in Fatal Joan Rivers Procedure is Identified - Entertainment/ Celebrity News/ foxnews.com

"The anesthesiologist involved in Joan Rivers’ botched throat procedure — who, experts say, could have prevented the comedian’s death — was Renuka Reddy Bankulla, The New York Post has learned.

Bankulla, 47, was the third doctor responsible for Rivers’ treatment besides then-Yorkville Endoscopy medical director Lawrence Cohen and celebrity ear, nose and throat specialist Gwen Korovin, but she has never been identified publicly.

Besides administering anesthesia and sedatives, anesthesiologists “must vigilantly watch the patient’s heart rate, blood pressure and other vital signs,” to ensure the patient can breathe, and “intervene promptly” when the patient is in trouble, said Dr. Karen Sibert, a private anesthesiologist in Los Angeles who specializes in treating high-risk adults..."


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January 25, 2010. Comedian Joan Rivers at the Sundance Film Festival in Utah. (Reuters)


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New York Clinic That Treated Comic Joan Rivers Sued Over Her Death - by Patricia Reaney/ Reuters.com

(Reuters) -" Joan Rivers' daughter filed a malpractice lawsuit on Monday against the New York medical clinic that treated her mother days before her death, saying doctors there posed for selfies with their sedated celebrity patient even as her vital signs were plunging.

Rivers, who was 81, suffered a loss of oxygen to her brain on Aug. 28 while physicians at the Yorkville Endoscopy center in Manhattan were performing procedures to examine her throat and vocal cords, and she died a week later at a New York hospital.

The lawsuit said the doctors were not adequately trained to recognize and deal with the type of emergency airway obstruction suffered by Rivers and that they failed to detect her deteriorating vital signs while she was in their care.

Moreover, the complaint says, the outpatient clinic allowed a doctor whose presence was unauthorized to twice conduct a procedure that Rivers had not consented to, a trans-nasal laryngoscopy, in which a scope is passed through sinus passages into the larynx.

It was during a repeat of that procedure, according to the lawsuit, that Rivers' already dangerously low blood pressure and heart rate fell further as her airway became so constricted that she could no longer breathe..."

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Comedian Joan Rivers arrives for the premiere of the documentary 'Joan Rivers - A Piece Of Work' during the 2010 Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah January 25, 2010.
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Appalling that they were taking selfies. Reason enough to sue, for any patient.
 

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Rude, ego-manical scum of medical professionals. I would bet every former patient has nightmares of "what" may have happened to them during their "procedures". Esp the rich and famous...

We all fear the wait-staff who might "doctor" our dinner ... but we know most are too busy and too visible to co-workers to do much.
 
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