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[5/2009][merged] Four Seasons hotels out at Aviara; trouble cited

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Not sure how this will affect owners

Carlsbad resort switches its brand
Four Seasons out at Aviara; trouble cited
By Penni Crabtree Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. May 9, 2009
Alleging financial mismanagement, the owners of the Carlsbad luxury resort Four Seasons Aviara said yesterday that they have fired the Four Seasons management company and switched to a new branded hotel company.
The group of San Francisco and St. Louis investors that has owned the property since 1998 allege in a lawsuit filed last month that Four Seasons failed to run the property in a “cost-effective and efficient manner.”
The resort's owners have named Dolce Hotels and Resorts, a New Jersey company, to manage the Aviara. The property will be managed as an independent luxury resort beginning Monday, according to William Brewer, an attorney for the ownership group.
Four Seasons, a Toronto company, could not be reached for comment.
Brewer, who represents BRCP HEF Hotel Tenant, the limited liability investment group that owns the Aviara, said Four Seasons was notified March 29 that its contract was terminated but Four Seasons has refused to acknowledge the termination.
Meanwhile, the matter is also the subject of a pending arbitration.
Brewer said his clients moved to oust Four Seasons because the company failed to build occupancy and revenue rates, wasted money and awarded management “all manner of bonuses.” He said the company has also refused to turn over financial records on the resort to the owners.
“Four Seasons demonstrated a complete lack of concern for the people who own the property and pay the bills,” Brewer said. “There were many millions of dollars each year being wasted, and when the owner sought to take control of the finances and direct them in a manner consistent with their best interest, Four Seasons flatly refused.”
Jerry Morrison, a San Diego hotel consultant, said such disputes between hotel management companies and property owners are common, particularly when an owner wants to switch to a brand that they think can improve profitability.
He said that while Four Seasons is a premium brand with stellar properties, that doesn't necessarily mean large profits.
“Those types of luxury hotels make far less money than a three or four diamond hotel as a percentage of gross income,” Morrison said. “For some owners, its like starving to death with a lion.
“The lion – the management company – has all the rights and they get their fees regardless of how the property is doing,” Morrison said. “Sometimes an owner won't have enough money left over to cover their debt service.”
The Aviara, a Spanish-colonial style resort that is perched on a bluff overlooking the Batiquitos Lagoon and the ocean, is ranked as a four star and five diamond property
 
This surprises me - and I live close to it. So far nothing mentioned in our local papers that I saw. Didn't Bill Gates become a partial owner about 1-2 years ago?
 
I just spoke with two people at the Residence Club at Four Seasons Aviara. They assured me that everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about, but I'm still concerned. As long as the Residence Club continues to be managed by Four Seasons I guess it's not a huge issue if the hotel becomes independent, but it's sure not a plus. I hope that the owners and Four Seasons can work things out regarding the management of the hotel. We'll all know soon as the change is supposedly happening on Monday.

Steve
 
Looks like this is going to get ugly....

From http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Four-Seasons-Hotels-And-Resorts-987090.html

May 09, 2009 01:14 ET
Four Seasons to Remain as Manager of Four Seasons Resort Aviara

TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - May 9, 2009) - Four Seasons announced today that it has no intention to voluntarily relinquish its role as manager of Four Seasons Resort Aviara in Carlsbad CA. Four Seasons has managed the Resort since 1997.

Very recently, a dispute arose with regard to the 2009 operating budget for the Resort and the Owner's obligation to provide working capital necessary to fund debt service. That dispute is currently the subject of an arbitration proceeding, which Four Seasons fully respects and will abide by. Four Seasons has fulfilled all of its obligations under the relevant management agreements. Four Seasons intends to vigorously defend its rights in the arbitration process currently underway.

Four Seasons will also seek substantial damages from the Owner (which is beneficially owned Broadreach Capital Partners and asset-managed by Maritz, Wolff & Co.) and its counsel for their conduct in damaging the operation and reputation of the Resort and of Four Seasons.

Four Seasons Resort Aviara has been managed by Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts since 1997. In that time, the Resort has garnered numerous awards and accolades, consistently performing as best in class in the market. Recognition received while under Four Seasons management include being named to Forbes Traveler's list of World's Top 400 Hotels; being named as a AAA Five-Diamond Award for eight years running; listed as one of ZAGAT's Top 50 U.S. Resorts for 2008; and being listed on Conde Nast Traveler's, "Gold List" from 1999-2009.
 
Interesting....Broadreach Capital Partners (which was listed as the owner in the article above) lists both Four Seasons Aviara and Dolce International under their Portfolio.
See http://www.broadreachcp.com/ (Select "Portfolio" from the top of the page then select "Property Type" under "View by Category" then select "Lodging" to see listing)
 
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It's also interesting that Dolce International is the hotel management company which recently took over the management of the Seaview Resort in Galloway, NJ after Marriott was thrown out. That's the resort where Marriott's Fairway Villas timeshare is located.

I hope this gets resolved so that Four Seasons can continue to manage the hotel, but it doesn't sound good. If the hotel's owners do succeed in ousting Four Seasons as the management company, then I have several concerns for the Residence Club:

1) Will the spa, hotel, and golf club continue to offer the same access to Residence Club owners, guests, and exchangers?

2) Will the already extremely high maintenance fees increase for Residence Club owners? After all, there must savings from managing the whole property as one entity. It could get very expensive to have to hire completely separate staff to clean, mow the lawns, take care of the pools, etc.

3) Will Four Seasons want to continue to manage the Residence Club long term if they no longer manage the hotel? Or will they get tired of it after a while? They've already dramatically altered (basically abandoned) their original goal of building a network of a dozen resorts with weekly timeshare ownerships.

4) Will resale values at Aviara plummet? There is a lot of value to the Four Seasons name. Even if Four Seasons continues to manage the Residence Club, the loss of the hotel will cause confusion in the marketplace and a lot of people will think that Four Seasons is out completely.

The people I spoke with at Aviara today were very nice, but I don't think there is any way to see this as a positive situation...no matter how it turns out.

Steve
 
I realize this is somewhat off topic, but I've wondered about the situation at the Scottsdale Four Seasons Residence Club. When you look at the Four Seasons website it doesn't even list the property in Scottsdale:

http://residences.fourseasons.com/

How come they don't list the property with the other locations at this site? Is Four Seasons abandoning the Scottsdale location?

I never have understood the reason that only the Scottsdale & Aviara locations exchange with II. If you own at these properties can you exchange into Jackson Hole or other Four Seasons locations?

I agree that this development with Four Seasons is a concern for the owners there. Would another hotel management company continue to let the Residence Club guests use the hotel facilities? What about the shuttle service between the Residence Club & hotel?
 
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I realize this is somewhat off topic, but I've wondered about the situation at the Scottsdale Four Seasons Residence Club. When you look at the Four Seasons website it doesn't even list the property in Scottsdale:

http://residences.fourseasons.com/

How come they don't list the property with the other locations at this site? Is Four Seasons abandoning the Scottsdale location?

It's still on the Residence Club page but it's shown as soldout - http://residences.fourseasons.com/residence_clubs/
I guess because it's sold out they removed the residence club resort page for Scottsdale :shrug: All of the other residence club links still work.

I never have understood the reason that only the Scottsdale & Aviara locations exchange with II.
Only Aviara and Scottsdale offer a weekly timeshare product. As Steve stated above FS "dramatically altered (basically abandoned) their original goal of building a network of a dozen resorts with weekly timeshare ownerships." All of their other residence club properties are fractionals.

If you own at these properties can you exchange into Jackson Hole or other Four Seasons locations?
There are many Aviara and Scottsdale units and very few fractional units at each destination. It's difficult to exchange into the other FS residence club locations. Four Seasons Residence Club has yet to come up with a viable internal exchange system between the timeshare owners and fractional owners.

See this old thread for more detail about Four Seasons Residence Club - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45924
 
OK,

I'm freaking out a bit. I finally got exchanged into Four Seasons Aviara 2 days ago for an April 2010 stay. I was so excited as I've stayed at Four Seasons hotels and think they are the absolute best. Now this?!!!!!!

Someone please reassure me.

Thanks!
 
It's also interesting that Dolce International is the hotel management company which recently took over the management of the Seaview Resort in Galloway, NJ after Marriott was thrown out. That's the resort where Marriott's Fairway Villas timeshare is located.

I hope this gets resolved so that Four Seasons can continue to manage the hotel, but it doesn't sound good. If the hotel's owners do succeed in ousting Four Seasons as the management company, then I have several concerns for the Residence Club:

1) Will the spa, hotel, and golf club continue to offer the same access to Residence Club owners, guests, and exchangers?

2) Will the already extremely high maintenance fees increase for Residence Club owners? After all, there must savings from managing the whole property as one entity. It could get very expensive to have to hire completely separate staff to clean, mow the lawns, take care of the pools, etc.

3) Will Four Seasons want to continue to manage the Residence Club long term if they no longer manage the hotel? Or will they get tired of it after a while? They've already dramatically altered (basically abandoned) their original goal of building a network of a dozen resorts with weekly timeshare ownerships.

4) Will resale values at Aviara plummet? There is a lot of value to the Four Seasons name. Even if Four Seasons continues to manage the Residence Club, the loss of the hotel will cause confusion in the marketplace and a lot of people will think that Four Seasons is out completely.

The people I spoke with at Aviara today were very nice, but I don't think there is any way to see this as a positive situation...no matter how it turns out.

Steve

I'm thinking worst case scenario....
- Dolce will eventually be the new management of the hotel
- FS Aviara resale values will take a hit due to the loss of the FS name associated with the hotel.
- Our access to some of the hotel amenities will be eliminated (i.e. room service) or come at a fee
- Our maintenance fee will increase due to the elimination of shared cost.
- FS will continue to manage the Residence Club unless they're planning to abandon the entire Residence Club model. Otherwise future potential fractional owners might be scared off from buying into the FS Residence Club if they know FS management has abandon one of their properties in the past.


By the way.... I was looking at the some of the FSRC documentation this morning. I noticed in the Rules and Regulation documentation on page 15 it states the following under "XXVIII. RECREATION AMENITIES".
Use of the hotel amenities, such as hotel health club, pool, pool area and spa are restricted to hotel guests.

Your access to the golf course and tennis facilities are not controlled by the Association or the Developer, and the terms and conditions of your use of these facilities, including any use fees, are set by the owners of these facilities.

Please remember that the hotel is a private facility which is not managed or owned by the Association or Developer, and your access to it, including its recreational amenities, is as a member of the general public
Based on comments I read on TUG, it looks like the hotel wasn't enforcing the rules above. I would expect the rules may be enforced if the hotel changes mgmt companies.
 
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It's still on the Residence Club page but it's shown as soldout - http://residences.fourseasons.com/residence_clubs/
I guess because it's sold out they removed the residence club resort page for Scottsdale :shrug: All of the other residence club links still work.


Only Aviara and Scottsdale offer a weekly timeshare product. As Steve stated above FS "dramatically altered (basically abandoned) their original goal of building a network of a dozen resorts with weekly timeshare ownerships." All of their other residence club properties are fractionals.


There are many Aviara and Scottsdale units and very few fractional units at each destination. It's difficult to exchange into the other FS residence club locations. Four Seasons Residence Club has yet to come up with a viable internal exchange system between the timeshare owners and fractional owners.

See this old thread for more detail about Four Seasons Residence Club - http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45924

Thanks for that link and the info regarding the FS Aviara & Scottsdale. You've answered my questions. I didn't understand that they were the only FS units available for weekly timeshare ownerships.

We stayed at the Scottsdale property last Dec. and they had a sales office at the hotel. I talked with a rep briefly, but didn't hear the entire sales pitch. Maybe they've sold out since Dec?
 
Boy - did I need a shock like this today? Will take a couple of deep breaths and lets see what plays out. It is hard to imagine the Hotel run one way and condo's run another?

There must be absolute shock in staff at the hotel. A recent series of articles based upon I Sharpe's book ran in Toronto Globe & Mail - they treated their staff well so they would in turn treat clients well.

Sounds like this story may take some time to play out .... I am sure there is quite a few spins on the truth here. Recession make owners do funny things ??

Greg


here is a link with a slightly different spin ...
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...er-of-four-seasons-resort-aviara,817976.shtml
 
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Boy - did I need a shock like this today? Will take a couple of deep breaths and lets see what plays out. It is hard to imagine the Hotel run one way and condo's run another?
There must be absolute shock in staff at the hotel. A recent series of articles based upon I Sharpe's book ran in Toronto Globe & Mail - they treated their staff well so they would in turn treat clients well.

Sounds like this story may take some time to play out .... I am sure there is quite a few spins on the truth here. Recession make owners do funny things ??

Greg


here is a link with a slightly different spin ...
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/...er-of-four-seasons-resort-aviara,817976.shtml


Who makes the calls on the condos, besides the management agreement?
 
Here's an update:

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/05/11/business/z91823dd959372287882575b300658619.txt

Four Seasons is still in control for now. To answer the question about the condos (Residence Club), the homeowners association controls that part of the resort. The ownership of the hotel has nothing to do with the timeshares. However, this will certainly have an impact....especially if Four Seasons is eventually booted from the hotel.

Steve
 
from the North Coast article mentioned ....Two partners own BRCP (is incorporated in Delaware) and is co-owned by Palo Alto-based Broadreach Capital Partners and Maritz, Wolff & Co. of St. Louis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Wolff

"The company owns interest in eighteen hotel and resort properties around the world, including the Fairmont San Jose Hotel, the Fairmont San Francisco, the Carlyle Hotel, ............... the Four Seasons Hotel Nevis!!!!!, the Four Seasons Hotel Toronto !!!!!!, .............and the Park Hyatt Sydney.[2]"

This could be a script for movie or soap opera ... breaking in at 1:00 am and picking locks and going thru files .... Won't that strain relationships!

Greg
 
Four Seasons Press Release

From http://press.fourseasons.com/news-r...ests-to-nobr-four-seasons-nobr-resort-aviara/
*Corporate – May 11, 2009

Four Seasons Continues to Welcome Guests to Four Seasons Resort Aviara. Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts continues to manage Four Seasons Resort Aviara, and the Resort is operating as usual. The Company’s commitment to providing an exceptional guest experience remains unchanged.

Four Seasons is pleased with events today in the Federal Court in San Diego. The Company sought an order to prevent Broadreach Capital Partners/Maritz, Wolff & Co. from executing its previously announced plan to improperly assume management of the Resort. Broadreach Capital Partners/Maritz, Wolff & Co. today agreed not to take this course of action.

In 2006, Broadreach Capital Partners/Maritz, Wolff & Co assumed a long-term management agreement with Four Seasons for a remaining 81-year term. The agreement provides for arbitration of all disputes between the parties. Very recently, a dispute arose with regard to the 2009 operating budget for the Resort and Broadreach Capital Partners/Maritz, Wolff & Co.’s obligation to provide working capital necessary to fund debt service. Arbitration has commenced, and Four Seasons will respect and honor its contractual obligations and the arbitration process.
 
Four Seasons terminated as manager of Aviara Hotel Resort

With Four Seasons being terminated as manager of the Aviara Hotel Resort in Carlsbad, CA http://www.hotelnewsresource.com/article38764.html, how will this affect the Residence Club (timeshare portion) within the same resort? Will there still be reciprocity with pools, spa, etc.? Has anyone contacted the HOA to determine if Four Seasons will continue to manage the Residence Club? I was really surprised at the removal of Four Seasons from management of the hotel as they usually have very long contracts in place.
 
The resort is still on the Four Seasons web site. Sounds like owners are trying to recut the deal with FS through litigation. Only the lawyers will make money.
 
Edited by Bill4728 {link to other thread deleted since the threads have been merged.}
 
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Got to love Google alerts -- here is a link from google

http://www.hotelsmag.com/blog/630000663/post/880044688.html

one interesting comment from a reader --that Dolce is (somehow) owned by Boardreach

this link below mentions Boardreach becoming majority partner in 2007 for owner group ...

http://www.sdbj.com/industry_articl...0302.1783782.58794602.9665273.175&aID2=137205

While most of us normally resist change -it is hard to see how any new mgmt change will improve our 'experience' at the condo's. If FS loses the Hotel - it has to be harder to maintain a cost effective relationship with Condo's. Damm - not looking forward to the next month ( court date is May 27 I think )

Greg
 
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