Affiliated resort versus developed resort

[Talent312]

AFAIK, all resorts on Sanibel-Captiva & Ft.Myers Bch are voluntary, no rofr.
As legacy affiliates, they existed b4 HGVC, and were included at inception.*

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*Hilton's relationship with the SW Florida resorts stems from it partnering
w-Mariner Group in 1992 to form HGVC. When Hilton bought them out in
1996, they kept their resorts as affiliates.

 

[PigsDad]

All of these are voluntary hgvc membership with no rofr

Surf Club of Marco Island
Eagles Nest of Marco Island
Charter Club of Marco Island
Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Hutchinson Island

Except for Charter Club all can trade in Interval.

I guess I never realized we cannot trade Charter Club in II. I wonder why that is? Anyone know the history behind this?

Kurt

 

[DannyTS]

I have found this in the 2018 HGVC Disclosure Statement (from my HGVC online account).

It looks to me that the chance of terminating the affiliation of a resort managed by HGVC is slim to none. They state a possible reason for termination if they fail to maintain and manage the resort properly which cannot be the case if HGVC manages the property since they would be accusing themselves of doing a poor job.

"HGVC RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SUSPEND OR TERMINATE PARTICIPATION OF AN AFFILIATED
RESORT IN THE CLUB IF THE AFFILIATED RESORT FAILS TO MAINTAIN AND MANAGE THE
ACCOMMODATIONS AND FACILITIES OF THE AFFILIATED RESORT AT THE LEVEL OF QUALITY AND
CUSTOMER SERVICE ESTABLISHED BY HGVC FOR ALL AFFILIATED RESORTS FROM TIME TO TIME. AN
AFFILIATED RESORT’S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLUB MAY ALSO BE TERIMINATED OR SUSPENDED IF
THE ASSOCIATION FILES BANKRUPTCY OR BECOMES INSOLVENT. HGVC SHALL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT
TO TERMINATE THE AFFILIATION OF A CLUB RESORT DURING THE FIRST FIVE YEAR’S OF OPERATION
OR SO LONG AS THE DEVELOPER OF A CLUB RESORT CONTROLS THE OWNERS ASSOCIATION OF THE
PROJECT, AS SET OUT IN THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS FOR THE CLUB RESORT."

 

[Talent312]

BTW, an affiliated resort also has the right to kick HGVC to the curb...
Even when parting ways, members previously enrolled kept their status.
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[dayooper]

BTW, an affiliated resort also has the right to kick HGVC to the curb...
Even when parting ways, members previously enrolled kept their status.
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That’s what happened at Shell Island Beach Club. A small contingent of owners, some year long owners pushed a vote to remove HGVC as resort managers when the HOA was in flux. It happened very fast and many were not happy with the decision. Any HGVC member kept their membership and the ability to convert to points. If they sell, however, the unit leaves HGVC.

 

[Judy Nagaoka]

Does MarBrisa have ROFR?

All of these are voluntary hgvc membership with no rofr

Surf Club of Marco Island

Eagles Nest of Marco Island

Charter Club of Marco Island

Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Hutchinson Island

Except for Charter Club all can trade in Interval.

 

[dayooper]

Does MarBrisa have ROFR?

No, it doesn’t. I have seen great deals on those units. I think one Tug members said they purchased a 7000 point 2 bedroom platinum for $2000.

I’m not sure if HGVC membership is voluntary like the SW Florida resorts or not.

 

[Judy Nagaoka]

No, it doesn’t. I have seen great deals on those units. I think one Tug members said they purchased a 7000 point 2 bedroom platinum for $2000.

I’m not sure if HGVC membership is voluntary like the SW Florida resorts or not.

on a resale how do I know if it is an HGVC unit? I know they sold older units that were not. I want to be apart of HGVC.

 

[dayooper]

on a resale how do I know if it is an HGVC unit? I know they sold older units that were not. I want to be apart of HGVC.

I think that has been changed. As always, ask to see the estoppel. If you are buying from a reputable broker, they should help you in this regard.

 

[bcjenkins]

Along with the help of @alwysonvac, we have previously submitted some updates to our HGVC Informational Overview document. One of the updates was concerning the HGVC Developed vs Affiliated list. Here is from the update submitted. If you have comments/corrections, please provide...

I believe Ocean Tower by Hilton Grand Vacations Club should be added to the Hawaii (Waikoloa) section of the list and tagged with "d/m." Yes?

Bruce

 

[cas42021]

Hey guys. I found this thread to be both helpful and a bit confusing. I am curious if anyone has a proper understanding of Ocean 22 specifically? I am in the process of buying a unit resale and would like to know what I'm getting, and any limitations there will be since it is not HGVC developed, and only managed.

Is this considered an affiliate?
Will there be an option for ROFR?
Do they have the choice of leaving HGVC?
Is there a difference with how I will book?

I appreciate any insight into this!

 

[GT75]

OK, Ocean 22 along with Ocean Oak & Ocean Enclave & Anderson Ocean Club were all build/purchased via the arrangement with the Strand Capital Group. This basically means that HGVC didn't have to front the money for the project. They are fully integrated into HGVC with ROFR. Anderson Ocean Club does have some units which isn't part of HGVC. The others are totally all HGVC.

There will not be a difference on how you book. I see them as very unlikely to ever leave HGVC. This has been a very beneficial business arrangement to both parties. That is my take, but hopefully others can help.

 

[Panina]

Hey guys. I found this thread to be both helpful and a bit confusing. I am curious if anyone has a proper understanding of Ocean 22 specifically? I am in the process of buying a unit resale and would like to know what I'm getting, and any limitations there will be since it is not HGVC developed, and only managed.

Is this considered an affiliate?
Will there be an option for ROFR?
Do they have the choice of leaving HGVC?
Is there a difference with how I will book?

I appreciate any insight into this!

For owning it is not an affiliate as you do not have a choice to not be a member of hgvc.
There is Rofr.

 

[cas42021]

For owning it is not an affiliate as you do not have a choice to not be a member of hgvc.
There is Rofr.

Thank you for the reply!

 

[CanuckTravlr]

We own at Ocean 22 and I can confirm GT75's and Panina's understandings.

 

[cas42021]

Awesome, thanks for the info folks! Makes me feel more comfortable about my hopefully recent purchase. (ROFR pending)

 

[GT75]

OK, I am working on redoing the HGVC Resort Overview table. I would like comments on if this helps solve the questions that keep coming up concerning affiliate, ROFR, ect. Right now, it is only the US properties. I will add the international plus bHC once I get enough feedback.

Now, I will need some help with the GPR properties. Are they all like MarBrisa? (Some units are only part of GPR and can not be enrolled in HGVC. No ROFR

 

[alwysonvac]

Here are some old 2016 posts but it’s probably best to get an update from a GP Owner.

• Grand Pacific Palisades

• HGVC and Grand Pacific Resorts

• Grand Pacific Palisades "convert" to HGVC Points