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I thought I would write a "Cliffs Notes" of the book all Medicare recipients (and those turning 65) should have received called "Medicare And You". One big question is, can you wait to sign up for Medicare? The answer is YES! For instance, if your birthday is not in January and you have Medicare-compliant Group (company) Insurance. When you sign up for Medicare Part-A, you can select in the application that you'll delay signing up for Part-B. That way, you can finish your term with your Group Insurance and sign up for January 1st the following year. You will not be penalized. You can also select whether or not you want to take Social Security, and if not, you can have the Part-B premiums billed directly.

Medicare Part-A is $0 for anyone who has worked 40 quarters, you will be charged a copay of $1800 or so for the first 90 days in the hospital, less than 1% of people go past that. If you go into a nursing home (prescribed by a doctor), your first 20 days are $0.

Part-B covers out-patient, like doctor/specialist visits and procedures/tests. "Basic" Medicare has 20% coinsurance, meaning if your doctor/procedure is $100, you're charged $20. Part-B also covers drugs administered by a doctor in their office, also at 20%.

Part-D is for prescription drugs, the basic plans have a $300 (or less) deductible, then in the "Initial Coverage Period" the drugs are divided by cost. You have Generic, Brand-Name, special Generic, special Brand Name, and Specialty. Once you hit $3820 out-of-pocket amount, you enter the Coverage Gap (Donut Hole), where drugs are cut down to two (Generic and Brand Name). Once you hit $5100 out of pocket, you hit the Catastrophic Phase, where drugs are 5%. Average cost of a Part-D plan is $30/month. The more you pay in premiums, the less you pay in copays.

With those, you have a choice between a Medicare Supplement or a Medicare Advantage with Prescription Drugs (MAPD). MAPDs are either Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO - specialists require referrals, can't go out of network, low copays) or Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO - no referrals required, out-of-network more expensive). Medicare Supplements have an additional premium, but unlike MAPDs, they do not include drugs (additional premium). Their only network is any doctor who accepts Medicare. Plan-F covers every single medical (not drugs) copay, so your premium will be under $200/month. This will not be offered past November 30th, you can sign up now for 2019 effective date, but it will not be available January 1. Plan-G has a deductible, then 100% of copays paid (you pay $0), usually under $75/month. Premiums, copays, etc vary by city/county/state, so if you have a friend with an almost zero plan in one state, what is available in your area may be slightly more expensive.

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A friend has the HMO type of plan and is not happy. I told her I think she is locked in until Oct (open window) -- is there ever a time a person can change midstream?
 
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The only reasons a person on Medicare can change:
- Move to a new residence
- Move in or out of a nursing home
- Social Security approves the recipient for Extra Help (also known as Low Income Subsidy).
- Insurer cancels their plan

Otherwise, they can change between October 15 - December 7th.

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I believe you can also apply to join/start Medicare Supplement plan throughout the year. That was what an agent here told us.
 

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My husband has Medicare A as he is still working. When he retires, he will apply for Part Band we will choose a supplement plan for him and Part D of course.
 
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I forgot to add, yes you can sign up for a Medicare Supplement at any time, but ONLY if you have "Basic" Medicare. If you have an MAPD, you must wait until October as MAPDs can't be cancelled during the year.
 

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You can [apply for Supplement plans throughout the year], BUT you will be subject to underwriting where pre-existing conditions will not be covered for a time.

The basic question is, do you qualify for "guaranteed issue" or not.
Per medicare.gov, the following situations qualify:

1. You joined an Advantage Plan when you were first eligible for Medicare at 65, and within the first year of joining, you decide to switch to Original Medicare. (Trial Right)

2. You dropped a Medigap policy to join an Advantage Plan for the first time, you have been in the plan less than a year, and you want to switch back. (Trial Right)

3. You are in an Advantage Plan, and your plan leaves Medicare, stops giving care in your area, or you move out of the plan's service area.

4. You have Original Medicare and your supplement is an employer group or union coverage and that plan is ending.

There are a few other rare situations.

If you qualify: Pre-existing conditions will be covered and they can't charge more for them. You generally need to apply from 60 days before and no later than 63 days after your health care coverage ends.

Otherwise: You are subject to underwriting. Each insurance company has its own application for Medigap. That application will include at least one page of health questions. Generally, a chronic major medical condition results in an automatic decline with most carriers. There may be limited exceptions with a few carriers, depending on your state laws.

Source: https://boomerbenefits.com/medigap-underwriting/
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Oh, and one other opportunity to switch... under Centers for Medicare/Medicaid Services (CMS) rules, if your MAPD is 4 stars or less (on Medicare), you can switch to an MAPD with 5 stars between January 1 and November 30th. If your plan drops to 2.5 or less, you can switch to any plan with at least 3 stars. Basically, stars are how well Medicare beneficiaries enjoy their MAPD.

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My take is this. Medicare Advantage costs a lot less than the combination of traditional Medicare/Supplement/Plan D. IMO the problem with Medicare Advantage is you pretty much have to stay in the plan's network and often have to go through a gatekeeper (your Primary Care Physician) first. If something serious befalls you and you want to go to a Center of Excellence for whatever it is, chances are you can't with an Advantage Plan. My bottom line is this - if you want maximum flexibility and have the money, I'd recommend going the traditional Medicare/Supplement/Plan D route. If cost is an issue, go the Advantage route...

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Here in Central Florida (I'm not sure anywhere else), Humana has an MAPD that is a PPO. I put my dad on it, he likes being able to choose any Humana doctor (cheaper) and no referrals needed. It is $0 premium (over Part-B) with deductible only for brand-name and specialty drugs. Copays are slightly higher than an MAPD HMO.

So, there are PPOs out there, you (or your agent) should look around!

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My take is this. Medicare Advantage costs a lot less than the combination of traditional Medicare/Supplement/Plan D. IMO the problem with Medicare Advantage is you pretty much have to stay in the plan's network and often have to go through a gatekeeper (your Primary Care Physician) first. If something serious befalls you and you want to go to a Center of Excellence for whatever it is, chances are you can't with an Advantage Plan. My bottom line is this - if you want maximum flexibility and have the money, I'd recommend going the traditional Medicare/Supplement/Plan D route. If cost is an issue, go the Advantage route...

George
What you are referring to is Advantage HMO. Advantage PPO does not require any referral. We have yet to find ANY provider who is not in my husband's PPO network. Also, his PPO allows subscriber to go to any out of state for medical services as long as it is in that state's PPO provider list.
 

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I'm curious what percentage of Advantage Plans are HMO and what percentage are PPO...

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Our plan is ppo but there is no penalty for going out of network. Plan for retirees of state of Illinois, including teachers, good anywhere in the country.
 
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Another tidbit. Medicare Supplements (aka MedSupp or MediGap) are regulated by your state, and premiums are paid by the recipient. MAPDs are regulated by Medicare, and premiums/balance between copay and actual provider cost is paid by Medicare, which comes from the Medicare tax every worker pays. If Congress and the President cut Medicare, new MAPD plans will pass the costs on to retirees, no change with MediGap plans (but MediGap plans can ask your state if they can raise premiums). With MAPDs, your plan lasts for life, unless you choose another plan or your plan cancels it.

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When my husband retires at the end of the year, we will be smack dab in the middle of moving to another state, so we will have to go with a Medigap plan anyway.

I will stay on my husband's employer plan probably-as it will be expensive but probably not as expensive as other options.

What fun this will all be dealing with it at the same time.
 
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When moving, like I said, plans in one state do not transfer to another state, whether Medigap or MAPD. The best thing would be to sign up for your plan the month of your move using your new address, but sign up for Medicare Part-A and Part-B 1-3 months before your 65th birthday.

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When my husband retires at the end of the year, we will be smack dab in the middle of moving to another state, so we will have to go with a Medigap plan anyway.

I will stay on my husband's employer plan probably-as it will be expensive but probably not as expensive as other options.

What fun this will all be dealing with it at the same time.
Like what Simpsontruckdriver said... when you move, you have to sign up for a new plan in the new state immediately.
 

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When moving, like I said, plans in one state do not transfer to another state, whether Medigap or MAPD. The best thing would be to sign up for your plan the month of your move using your new address, but sign up for Medicare Part-A and Part-B 1-3 months before your 65th birthday.

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My husband already has Part A. He does not have part B because he still works. He is 65.
He is supposed to retire 12/31 and then we should be moving to NH after that to our new house. Have no idea how fast that will be but I am assuming very fast. That is what is so crazy.

This is going to stress me out even more.
 

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I'm ticked about them denying Medigap Plan F (+C) to new enrollees. My DW already has it, so she gets to keep it, but I turn 65 next March, so I must choose another plan. Plan G may be a close 2nd, but they could'a made an exception for spouses.
 
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My husband already has Part A. He does not have part B because he still works. He is 65.
He is supposed to retire 12/31 and then we should be moving to NH after that to our new house. Have no idea how fast that will be but I am assuming very fast. That is what is so crazy.

This is going to stress me out even more.

Don't stress over it. One way or the other you know that your belongings and both of you will be moved. :)
 

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My ticked about them denying Medigap Plan F (+C) to new enrollees. DW (who already has it) can keep it, but I turn 65 next March, so I must choose another plan. Plan G may be a close 2nd, but they could'a made an exception for spouses.
First world problem. ;)
 
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If you want to blame someone for killing Plan-F, look up which congressman/woman signed the "Doc Fix" law. It was pushed by insurance agencies. As healthcare costs have skyrocketed, and seniors living longer with failing body parts, Plan-F was getting too expensive for insurers. The best way to look at it: look at what you paid for healthcare as a worker (Group Insurance), then look at how much it would be under Part-G ($135/month Part-B + Part-D + Plan-G Premium + deductible).

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